moderator selection process

[CP5670]

I like how you keep going on about your experience in moderating without saying anything about your (rather more impressive) experience in receiving bans yourself.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: BFG10K

If you look at the nominations you'll see all sorts of references to "this person is knowledgeable" or "this person has no bias to brand". Both are completely irrelevant to moderation.

Of course they're relevant. Very much so.

How can you have a moderator that knows little/nothing about a forum they moderate? If someone posts an obvious troll like "my Voodoo 3 is faster than my 8000 Ultra", someone that doesn't know anything about graphics cards can't really see it?s a troll.

Unless they always listen to public backlash before moderating anything, but that really isn?t a good way to run things because it means they can?t really make judgment calls for themselves.

Likewise, how can you trust someone to be in position of power that has a known bias/affiliation/agenda with their regular posts?

This is just more evidence you don't really understand what being a moderator is BFG.

Originally posted by: BFG10K
"If someone posts an obvious troll like "my Voodoo 3 is faster than my 8000 Ultra", someone that doesn't know anything about graphics cards can't really see it?s a troll."

That's called an "opinion" not a "troll" and the way you deal with such things is by pointing out evidence on independent sites that back up your opinion. (and even that's not a mod's job) It might be a wrong opinion, but that's not a mods job.

Moreover- that statement could be considered "True" in some circumstances. 3DFX is clearly superior at running Glide, because an Ultra can't at all.

You're in for a BIG surprise when you start "running" the forums BFG.

Surprise #1: You don't "run" anything as a mod. You only enforce violations of TOS, and if you start doing something like say, "I'm going to delete user Xs post because it shows favoritism to one brand!" you'll find yourself removed from being a mod. Ask Derek or Anand himself if you don't believe me- moderation isn't about being the bias police. It's about enforcing TOS, which largely are limited to flames/ads/porn.

Surprise #2: When you moderate at a site, you represent that site and are expected to treat all members equally and not spend all your time arguing with them and using your mod powers to get the last word.


Last but not least, you bet I have an affiliation, and a favorite hardware OEM. I also have a lot of experience moderating, and know that kind of thing isn't part of it. Moderating is about making sure people don't post ads, don't post needless insults to one another, don't post links to porn, don't spam the board, etc..

Gee, what a surprise this is how you feel. :roll: You were the biggest abuser of this "politeness" clause that gave you moderator protection all those years here. No go be a good Rollo and report me for a personal attack.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Gee, what a surprise this is how you feel. :roll: You were the biggest abuser of this "politeness" clause that gave you moderator protection all those years here. No go be a good Rollo and report me for a personal attack.

I'm not going to report you Cubby.

I'm just going to continue making my points in a polite, non confrontational manner for the rest of my life.

 

[olds]

I am going to say that it's a good idea that a Mod be versed in the technology for the forum he is moderating. But what do I know?

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
I am going to say that it's a good idea that a Mod be versed in the technology for the forum he is moderating. But what do I know?

Being versed and being an expert are two different things. You do not need the knowledge BFG possesses to be mod worthy. There is certainly nothing wrong with it, but to suggest or even hint that you need BFG, Snowman or BenSkywalkers technical ability to mod is just absurd to say the least. A good example of this is KeysPlayer. He isn't an expert, but knows plenty. He does a fine job as a mod.

But I do feel the same way that BD2003 feels. I think it is/was quite silly to have people vote for the mods. But now that it was revealed (After the fact) that these are community leaders and not mods (or maybe hybrids) then it does make sense for a popular person to win.

But, even so, being a mod is not a bed of roses or a position to be sought after. A lot people seem to think it is... It doesn't mean you can bully other members, or slap around a cyber baton. The majority of the position for most forum mods would be locking threads, moving threads and merging threads and giving friendly reminders. Although there are some mods that use the position the bully, most do not and generally the ones that act that way are rooted out.

 

[BFG10K]

That's called an "opinion" not a "troll" and the way you deal with such things is by pointing out evidence on independent sites that back up your opinion. (and even that's not a mod's job) It might be a wrong opinion, but that's not a mods job.

Really? But on the nVidia forums you keep deleting my posts every time I have an "opinion" about the suckage of the TWIMTBP program.

I also provide plenty of independent evidence, yet you still delete them.

So you?re saying even though I might have the ?wrong opinion? about TWIMTBP, it?s not your job to be deleting my posts even though you do so?

Last but not least, you bet I have an affiliation, and a favorite hardware OEM. I also have a lot of experience moderating, and know that kind of thing isn't part of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't your experience limited to forums that are sponsored by nVidia, the very same entity you work for, whom you also have a bias for?

 

[Steve]

I voted for mods in all forums a few days ago, and did not see or know then that mosh had been vetoed, as it obviously happened after. Just contributing a flaw in the process to be aware of in the future.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

That's called an "opinion" not a "troll" and the way you deal with such things is by pointing out evidence on independent sites that back up your opinion. (and even that's not a mod's job) It might be a wrong opinion, but that's not a mods job.

Really? But on the nVidia forums you keep deleting my posts every time I have an "opinion" about the suckage of the TWIMTBP program.

I also provide plenty of independent evidence, yet you still delete them.

So you?re saying even though I might have the ?wrong opinion? about TWIMTBP, it?s not your job to be deleting my posts even though you do so?

Last but not least, you bet I have an affiliation, and a favorite hardware OEM. I also have a lot of experience moderating, and know that kind of thing isn't part of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't your experience limited to forums that are sponsored by nVidia, the very same entity you work for, whom you also have a bias for?

BFG, I honestly don't remember deleting many of your posts at nZone, but the guidelines there are different than here. (maybe one?)


In any case, AT is not the place to discuss nZone policy, I'd be happy to discuss any post(s) you feel were wrongly deleted if you PM me there.

 

[SickBeast]

Once BFG10K is a mod, will he be able to delete Rollo's posts? :Q

The video forum sure is a lively place now that Rollo has been re-instated!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Once BFG10K is a mod, will he be able to delete Rollo's posts? :Q

The video forum sure is a lively place now that Rollo has been re-instated!

Yep, he could ban me too, but to do either he'd have to show how I violated the board's TOS or risk losing his mod rights.

So far since I've returned the only violations of TOS I've seen are people flaming me. That's the kind of stuff mods are supposed to delete, not me explaining why I think a 8800GTX is better than a 3870X2, or SLi better than Crossfire. (not to mention the pro-ATi posts I've made like pointing out this review of quadfire isn't fair or recommending the X1950XT)

Things like I've posted are why forums exist, to exchange information.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DerekWilson
i've gotten lots o requests to remove lists of vetoed names so we've decided to do that.

this is also our first attempt at something like this. we will certainly take lessons we learn to heart.

you still have me up here as "withdrawn"
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2154329&enterthread=y

NOMINEES:

Schadenfroh (already a mod)
KeithTalent
apoppin (withdrawn)
Bateluer
Moonbeam
Mem
Oyeve

Are you still making an example of me?


i'd describe my mood as 'sullen' rather than withdrawn.
--i just can't post what i really think as a mod

As far as moderating goes, it has more to do with "people management" skills than technical knowledge of the forum being moderated

 

[esquared]

Are you still making an example of me?


i'd describe my mood as 'sullen' rather than withdrawn.
--i just can't post what i really think as a mod

As far as moderating goes, it has more to do with "people management" skills than technical knowledge of the forum being moderated

I am sure that was an oversight. I removed it.

 

[apoppin]

thanks

 

[Keysplayr]

All you have to be................. is good with people. Respect them as they respect other members. Know when to be normal, and know when it's needed to be stern. Use common sense. And by the way, if an individual doesn't have common sense in the area of relating with other members (yes, they are real people), don't run for mod.

And no, while general knowledge of any forum in here is helpful, although unnecessary, expert knowledge is not required to be a moderator of said forum. I can't think of a single instance that expert knowledge in motherboards or Video cards or transmissions (aside from keeping things On Topic, or knowing that a thread belongs in another forum, and this requires general knowledge at best) has anything to do with moderating.

@ ArchAngel777: Thanks.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I agree!! Yet with that said.....there have been people who were mods in the pasts who had their own agenda`s and are once again being voted upon.......which my take is if you asked to be removed in the past or if you were forcefully removed in the past then you should be deemed not eligible....

Just my opinion!!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I agree!! Yet with that said.....there have been people who were mods in the pasts who had their own agenda`s and are once again being voted upon.......which my take is if you asked to be removed in the past or if you were forcefully removed in the past then you should be deemed not eligible....

Just my opinion!!

Yet it should not be openly posted in the forum that they are "unworthy" ... especially since they generally did not seek said office [again ... or whatever]

 

[BFG10K]

Yep, he could ban me too, but to do either he'd have to show how I violated the board's TOS or risk losing his mod rights.

I think only senior mods have that power which is a good idea IMO.

As for deleting posts, I'm generally opposed to the concept of deleting posts because it removes an audit trail of what has happened.

At worst I would generally only edit someone's post, but only if they posted something shockingly offensive or an inappropriate link.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Yep, he could ban me too, but to do either he'd have to show how I violated the board's TOS or risk losing his mod rights.

I think only senior mods have that power which is a good idea IMO.

As for deleting posts, I'm generally opposed to the concept of deleting posts because it removes an audit trail of what has happened.

At worst I would generally only edit someone's post, but only if they posted something shockingly offensive or an inappropriate link.

I stand corrected, you might make a good mod after all BFG. My apologies.

 

[BFG10K]

I stand corrected, you might make a good mod after all BFG.

I've waited a long time for this opportunity and if I get it, the last thing I want to do is squander it with a childish power trip.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I stand corrected, you might make a good mod after all BFG.

I've waited a long time for this opportunity and if I get it, the last thing I want to do is squander it with a childish power trip.

There might be room for you in politics yet BFG. Now where did I put that baby. Photo Ops and kissing babies are mandatory.

Oh yes. Moderators need a sense of humor to.

It was pure horror, when the mean mod killed and ate the fun mod.

 

[BFG10K]

Photo Ops and kissing babies are mandatory.

I ain't kissing no babies.

Now babes on the otherhand... :thumbsup:

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Photo Ops and kissing babies are mandatory.

I ain't kissing no babies.

Now butts on the otherhand... :thumbsup:

Yep, you can be a Mod.

:laugh:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Photo Ops and kissing babies are mandatory.

I ain't kissing no babies.

Now butts on the otherhand... :thumbsup:

Yep, you can be a Mod.

:laugh:

Are you speaking from many long years of personal experience?


... or "in general" ?

 

[pontifex]

i have a few things to say but i'm too scared to say them for fear or reprisals. hell, i think a lot of people feel this way.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: pontifex
i have a few things to say but i'm too scared to say them for fear or reprisals. hell, i think a lot of people feel this way.

If you can't make a point without resulting to personal attacks, you have something to worry about.
If you can conduct yourself as an adult and make your arguments without attacks, I wouldn't think you have anything to worry about.

Just follow the Guidelines.