Mobile 1?

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Amsoil > M1

Mobil 1 is more behind Amsoil then ever now.

0W-20, 25,000/ 1 year with an Amsoil Filter is my choice.

lol

Mobil 1 is a middle of the road synthetic.

There are worse, and there are better. AMSOil is top of the line.

Don't go around suggesting a 25,000 mile change interval without telling them the whole story, though. Under no circumstances should you ever, ever leave the oil in your crankcase for 25,000 miles without having several samples taken during that time period.

Amsoil is about as top of the line as Bose is. Their marketing department is great, but where the rubber meets the road...

Based on what? Compared to what?

AMSOil is top of the line. So is Royal Purple and Redline. You can't buy better oil.

However, when compared with some of the premium brand synthetics like Valvoline, the price difference may or may not be worth it.

I admit that I'm a spec monkey. They tell a lot of the story, but not all of it. Real world conditions change an oil's specifications in different ways. It's all really quite complicated.

The best and only way to know whether your oil is doing its job in your specific engine with your specific driving habits and specific environment.. is to have it analyzed.

Everything else is just guessing, even if you opt for the margin of error oil change of 3,000 miles.

There are people that get 18,000 miles out of Mobil 1.

There are people that get 35,000 miles out of AMSOil, more than their recomended 25k interval. It really just depends.

Based on their totally useless benchmarks for oil comparison. 4 ball wear test? Come on. You may as well believe the equally worthless (as it relates to real world engine usage) tests done here:

http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf

Again, those synthetics are all excellent. However, to think Amsoil is superior to any of the other top of the line synthetics is questionable, especially in light of all of the analysis reports on bobistheoilguy.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Amsoil > M1

Mobil 1 is more behind Amsoil then ever now.

0W-20, 25,000/ 1 year with an Amsoil Filter is my choice.

lol

Mobil 1 is a middle of the road synthetic.

There are worse, and there are better. AMSOil is top of the line.

Don't go around suggesting a 25,000 mile change interval without telling them the whole story, though. Under no circumstances should you ever, ever leave the oil in your crankcase for 25,000 miles without having several samples taken during that time period.

Amsoil is about as top of the line as Bose is. Their marketing department is great, but where the rubber meets the road...

Based on what? Compared to what?

AMSOil is top of the line. So is Royal Purple and Redline. You can't buy better oil.

However, when compared with some of the premium brand synthetics like Valvoline, the price difference may or may not be worth it.

I admit that I'm a spec monkey. They tell a lot of the story, but not all of it. Real world conditions change an oil's specifications in different ways. It's all really quite complicated.

The best and only way to know whether your oil is doing its job in your specific engine with your specific driving habits and specific environment.. is to have it analyzed.

Everything else is just guessing, even if you opt for the margin of error oil change of 3,000 miles.

There are people that get 18,000 miles out of Mobil 1.

There are people that get 35,000 miles out of AMSOil, more than their recomended 25k interval. It really just depends.

Based on their totally useless benchmarks for oil comparison. 4 ball wear test? Come on. You may as well believe the equally worthless (as it relates to real world engine usage) tests done here:

http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf

Again, those synthetics are all excellent. However, to think Amsoil is superior to any of the other top of the line synthetics is questionable, especially in light of all of the analysis reports on bobistheoilguy.

The oil analysis's are what you want to look at, and I agree that I should spend more time over there and gather more real-world data.

The benchmarks they use are the same benchmarks that all oil manufacturer's use, they are industry standards.

In your knowledge, what is one of the better oils? I've heard a lot of good things about Pennzoil synthetics lately, even though in my mind they rank low because they don't publish some key specifications, so you have to assume the minimum for the API class.

Real world always wins, though. There is just as much marketing behind AMSOil as there is any other oil out there, IMO. Have you actually seen an oil commercial lately? The bullsh!t they spout is pretty outrageous.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

why are fram filters so bad (to you guys)?

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Amsoil > M1

Mobil 1 is more behind Amsoil then ever now.

0W-20, 25,000/ 1 year with an Amsoil Filter is my choice.

lol

Mobil 1 is a middle of the road synthetic.

There are worse, and there are better. AMSOil is top of the line.

Don't go around suggesting a 25,000 mile change interval without telling them the whole story, though. Under no circumstances should you ever, ever leave the oil in your crankcase for 25,000 miles without having several samples taken during that time period.

Amsoil is about as top of the line as Bose is. Their marketing department is great, but where the rubber meets the road...

Based on what? Compared to what?

AMSOil is top of the line. So is Royal Purple and Redline. You can't buy better oil.

However, when compared with some of the premium brand synthetics like Valvoline, the price difference may or may not be worth it.

I admit that I'm a spec monkey. They tell a lot of the story, but not all of it. Real world conditions change an oil's specifications in different ways. It's all really quite complicated.

The best and only way to know whether your oil is doing its job in your specific engine with your specific driving habits and specific environment.. is to have it analyzed.

Everything else is just guessing, even if you opt for the margin of error oil change of 3,000 miles.

There are people that get 18,000 miles out of Mobil 1.

There are people that get 35,000 miles out of AMSOil, more than their recomended 25k interval. It really just depends.

Based on their totally useless benchmarks for oil comparison. 4 ball wear test? Come on. You may as well believe the equally worthless (as it relates to real world engine usage) tests done here:

http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf

Again, those synthetics are all excellent. However, to think Amsoil is superior to any of the other top of the line synthetics is questionable, especially in light of all of the analysis reports on bobistheoilguy.

The oil analysis's are what you want to look at, and I agree that I should spend more time over there and gather more real-world data.

The benchmarks they use are the same benchmarks that all oil manufacturer's use, they are industry standards.

In your knowledge, what is one of the better oils? I've heard a lot of good things about Pennzoil synthetics lately, even though in my mind they rank low because they don't publish some key specifications, so you have to assume the minimum for the API class.

Real world always wins, though. There is just as much marketing behind AMSOil as there is any other oil out there, IMO. Have you actually seen an oil commercial lately? The bullsh!t they spout is pretty outrageous.

I think Amsoil oils are absolutely excellent, but I don't think they are any better than Mobil 1 (or Delvac), Redline, Royal Purple, Castrol's higher end lines (for instance TWS), Shell Helix Ultra, Elf Full-Tech, or many others when compared apples to apples (same REAL weight).

The best you can really do is to find the best weight synthetic for your car (sometimes it's higher or lower than recommended) to match the automotive standard for oil pressure, which is roughly 10 psi per 1000 RPM's.

There will, of course, be exceptions, like for extremely loosely built engines, and other anomalies.

To be fair, there are a lot of great dino-juice products and blends too, and it's a great way for many (given appropriate usage) to save money.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
why are fram filters so bad (to you guys)?

Fram filters are not so bad.

SOME fram filters are bad, with poor filtration, low filtration area, easily damaged anti-drainback valve, and shody construction.

I'd say the Tough Guard are good overall, and don't have many of the problems other Fram models do.

http://minimopar.knizefamily.n...erstudy.html#fram-tg8a

 

[Eli]

Yep, I agree.

I've been using Mobil Delvac 15W-40 in my vehicles. It is one of the best petroleum oils that money can buy.

I don't think I'll use it in the Focus, though. It's too thick, and definitely violates what Ford recommends...

I think I'll use a good 0W-30 in it.. Should I try a synthetic 20 weight first? I plan on doing analysis... so I guess I should start with that first since it will give me the best fuel economy.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Eli
I think I'll use a good 0W-30 in it.. Should I try a synthetic 20 weight first? I plan on doing analysis... so I guess I should start with that first since it will give me the best fuel economy.

You might want to start with Mobil 1's 0w-20. It's on the thick end of the 20w scale, and is barely thinner than their 0w-30.

 

[Gillbot]

I gave up on Mobil 1 in my camaro after testing showed the oil to be alot thinner than the 30w they claimed it to be. Plus my wear numbers keep climbing and the only way to curb them is to change the oil every 2-3k which leads me to believe the oil is just too thin to protect. I plan on switching to GC 0w-30 if I can ever find enough of it for an oil change.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Gillbot
I gave up on Mobil 1 in my camaro after testing showed the oil to be alot thinner than the 30w they claimed it to be. Plus my wear numbers keep climbing and the only way to curb them is to change the oil every 2-3k which leads me to believe the oil is just too thin to protect. I plan on switching to GC 0w-30 if I can ever find enough of it for an oil change.

Yeah, their 0w-30 and 5w-30 are on the very thinnest ends of the 30w scale (as you know, weights aren't exact, they're a range).

If you want something thick, GC is great, as is Redline.

 

[exdeath]

Mobil 1 5w20 every 3000 miles for me. Oil comes out as clear as it went in. Thinner oil for engines built to tight tolerance (ie: hand built) and it ensures the valve train, hydraulic lifters, and all the tiny parts get a good supply of oil quickly. The thicker stuff has a harder time getting into all the tiny stuff adequately especially with today's complex variable cam systems, etc.

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: Gillbot
I gave up on Mobil 1 in my camaro after testing showed the oil to be alot thinner than the 30w they claimed it to be. Plus my wear numbers keep climbing and the only way to curb them is to change the oil every 2-3k which leads me to believe the oil is just too thin to protect. I plan on switching to GC 0w-30 if I can ever find enough of it for an oil change.

Yeah, their 0w-30 and 5w-30 are on the very thinnest ends of the 30w scale (as you know, weights aren't exact, they're a range).

If you want something thick, GC is great, as is Redline.

I can't get Redline locally, I can get GC (when you actually find a place that has it in stock, it doesn't last long) Royal Purple and Amsoil. I'm just debating on which to use. My prefrence is GC but as I said, it's hard to catch it in stock.

 

[BabaBooey]

Worth every cent..

 

[zerocool84]

I used Royal Purple for 2 oil changes on my car and noticed nothing but a higher price tag on the oil. I just went back to Mobil 1 which is cheaper and works just fine.

 

[ScottFern]

If its good enough for Porsche, its good enough for me!