MNF: Falcons vs Jets, pretty pathetic game.

[hg321]

Micheal Vick is the Jets best QB

 

[Zim Hosein]

This has to be some sort of MNF conspiracy, the games starts to get interesting around Midnight! :| I've got class at 8AM

 

[kalster]

bollinger is playing well

 

[kalster]

guess i jinxed him

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: kalster
guess i jinxed him

Damn you kalster!

 

[hg321]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: kalster
guess i jinxed him

Damn you kalster!

Don't worry Vick will get the Jets back in the game

 

[jman19]

I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

Exactly.

 

[Zim Hosein]

Dunn wears a dog collar?

 

[hg321]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

Exactly.

they should make him a RB and let someone else be the QB

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: hg321

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

Exactly.

they should make him a RB and let someone else be the QB

Someone that understands the concept of completing a pass to your own team.

 

[Shlong]

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

Doesn't matter, all he does is win & no one can run nearly as good as he can. It doesn't matter how you get the yardage, running or throwing as long as you get the yardage in the end.

 

[hg321]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: hg321

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

Exactly.

they should make him a RB and let someone else be the QB

Someone that understands the concept of completing a pass to your own team.

they have Matt Schaub and he looked good in the game he started

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

Doesn't matter, all he does is win & no one can run nearly as good as he can. It doesn't matter how you get the yardage, running or throwing as long as you get the yardage in the end.

And having a 1 dimensional QB will keep them from the Super Bowl. Hell, Randall Cunningham was a more complete QB than Vick.

 

[Shlong]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

Doesn't matter, all he does is win & no one can run nearly as good as he can. It doesn't matter how you get the yardage, running or throwing as long as you get the yardage in the end.

And having a 1 dimensional QB will keep them from the Super Bowl. Hell, Randall Cunningham was a more complete QB than Vick.

Narrow-minded much? It's impossible to win in the NFL being one dimensional? Vick wins in a different manner than the status-quo. All because he's unconventional doesn't mean that'll keep them from the Super Bowl. Dan Marino, the most prolific passing QB ever hasn't won a superbowl.

 

[Shlong]

Originally posted by: hg321

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: hg321

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

Exactly.

they should make him a RB and let someone else be the QB

Someone that understands the concept of completing a pass to your own team.

they have Matt Schaub and he looked good in the game he started

And the Falcons are 0-3 in all 3 games which Schaub started.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

Doesn't matter, all he does is win & no one can run nearly as good as he can. It doesn't matter how you get the yardage, running or throwing as long as you get the yardage in the end.

And having a 1 dimensional QB will keep them from the Super Bowl. Hell, Randall Cunningham was a more complete QB than Vick.

Narrow-minded much? It's impossible to win in the NFL being one dimensional? Vick wins in a different manner than the status-quo. All because he's unconventional doesn't mean that'll keep them from the Super Bowl. Dan Marino, the most prolific passing QB ever hasn't won a superbowl.

Because he was on a one dimensional team. Denver with Elway (another prolific passer) didn't win a Super Bowl until they got a running game.

 

[Dedpuhl]

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well.

 

[Shlong]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

Doesn't matter, all he does is win & no one can run nearly as good as he can. It doesn't matter how you get the yardage, running or throwing as long as you get the yardage in the end.

And having a 1 dimensional QB will keep them from the Super Bowl. Hell, Randall Cunningham was a more complete QB than Vick.

Narrow-minded much? It's impossible to win in the NFL being one dimensional? Vick wins in a different manner than the status-quo. All because he's unconventional doesn't mean that'll keep them from the Super Bowl. Dan Marino, the most prolific passing QB ever hasn't won a superbowl.

Because he was on a one dimensional team. Denver with Elway (another prolific passer) didn't win a Super Bowl until they got a running game.

Baltimore wasn't one dimensional when they won with Dilfer? What about Doug Williams with the Redskins?

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

Doesn't matter, all he does is win & no one can run nearly as good as he can. It doesn't matter how you get the yardage, running or throwing as long as you get the yardage in the end.

And having a 1 dimensional QB will keep them from the Super Bowl. Hell, Randall Cunningham was a more complete QB than Vick.

Narrow-minded much? It's impossible to win in the NFL being one dimensional? Vick wins in a different manner than the status-quo. All because he's unconventional doesn't mean that'll keep them from the Super Bowl. Dan Marino, the most prolific passing QB ever hasn't won a superbowl.

Because he was on a one dimensional team. Denver with Elway (another prolific passer) didn't win a Super Bowl until they got a running game.

Baltimore wasn't one dimensional when they won with Dilfer? What about Doug Williams with the Redskins?

1987 Redskins
Passing Stats:
Jay Schroeder 129/267 1878yds 12TDs 10INTs
Doug Williams 81/143 1156yds 11TDs 5INTs

Rushing Stats:
George Rogers 163 rushes for 613yds 6TDs
Kelvin Bryant 77 rushes 406yds 1TD
...
Doug Williams 4 rushes for 9yds 1TD


Looks like a fairly balanced team to me

2000 Ravens
Passing Stats:
Tony Banks 150/274 1578yds 8TDs 8INTs
Trent Dilfer 134/226 1502 12TDs 11INTs

Rushing Stats:
Jamal Lewis 309 rushes for 1364yds 6TDs
Priest Holmes 137 rushes for 588yds 2TDs
Trent Dilfer 20 rushes for 75yds
Tony Banks 19 rushes for 57yds

Another fairly balanced team.

Notice something common between them? QBs and RBs have clearly defined roles.

 

[Shlong]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

Doesn't matter, all he does is win & no one can run nearly as good as he can. It doesn't matter how you get the yardage, running or throwing as long as you get the yardage in the end.

And having a 1 dimensional QB will keep them from the Super Bowl. Hell, Randall Cunningham was a more complete QB than Vick.

Narrow-minded much? It's impossible to win in the NFL being one dimensional? Vick wins in a different manner than the status-quo. All because he's unconventional doesn't mean that'll keep them from the Super Bowl. Dan Marino, the most prolific passing QB ever hasn't won a superbowl.

Because he was on a one dimensional team. Denver with Elway (another prolific passer) didn't win a Super Bowl until they got a running game.

Baltimore wasn't one dimensional when they won with Dilfer? What about Doug Williams with the Redskins?

1987 Redskins
Passing Stats:
Jay Schroeder 129/267 1878yds 12TDs 10INTs
Doug Williams 81/143 1156yds 11TDs 5INTs

Rushing Stats:
George Rogers 163 rushes for 613yds 6TDs
Kelvin Bryant 77 rushes 406yds 1TD
...
Doug Williams 4 rushes for 9yds 1TD


Looks like a fairly balanced team to me

2000 Ravens
Passing Stats:
Tony Banks 150/274 1578yds 8TDs 8INTs
Trent Dilfer 134/226 1502 12TDs 11INTs

Rushing Stats:
Jamal Lewis 309 rushes for 1364yds 6TDs
Priest Holmes 137 rushes for 588yds 2TDs
Trent Dilfer 20 rushes for 75yds
Tony Banks 19 rushes for 57yds

Another fairly balanced team.

Notice something common between them? QBs and RBs have clearly defined roles.

Redskins in 1987, One QB with a 48% completion & the other with a 55%. They had decent amount of yardage but that wasn't that great. Vick is a better QB than Dilfer was back in 2000. QBs and RBs have a clearly defined role on the Falcons as well, it's just the Falcons have the best rushing QB in history. It's like telling Shaq only to shoot a jumpshot instead of making points in the paint, if you can run it from the QB position why shouldn't you? Why make Vick something he is not, a pocket passer? Why force him to throw when he's so dangerous running? People rely too much on what they perceive a certain role should be & can't accept something different. Culpepper lights out #'s with Moss, without him not so much. Mcnabb before T.O. decent #'s but nothing great, once T.O. shows up he lights it up. What Vick needs is a true #1 receiver, his passing would greatly improve but for now he has to work with what he's got. A below average WR corps with a great tight end.

 

[Kev]

why does this piece of sh*t vick get 3 monday night games?

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: jman19
I'm pretty tired of all of the Vick hype. Sure, he can run the ball better than any other QB in the league, but he is AWFUL at throwing the ball. Doesn't really make him a particularly good QB IMO.

Doesn't matter, all he does is win & no one can run nearly as good as he can. It doesn't matter how you get the yardage, running or throwing as long as you get the yardage in the end.

And having a 1 dimensional QB will keep them from the Super Bowl. Hell, Randall Cunningham was a more complete QB than Vick.

Narrow-minded much? It's impossible to win in the NFL being one dimensional? Vick wins in a different manner than the status-quo. All because he's unconventional doesn't mean that'll keep them from the Super Bowl. Dan Marino, the most prolific passing QB ever hasn't won a superbowl.

Because he was on a one dimensional team. Denver with Elway (another prolific passer) didn't win a Super Bowl until they got a running game.

Baltimore wasn't one dimensional when they won with Dilfer? What about Doug Williams with the Redskins?

1987 Redskins
Passing Stats:
Jay Schroeder 129/267 1878yds 12TDs 10INTs
Doug Williams 81/143 1156yds 11TDs 5INTs

Rushing Stats:
George Rogers 163 rushes for 613yds 6TDs
Kelvin Bryant 77 rushes 406yds 1TD
...
Doug Williams 4 rushes for 9yds 1TD


Looks like a fairly balanced team to me

2000 Ravens
Passing Stats:
Tony Banks 150/274 1578yds 8TDs 8INTs
Trent Dilfer 134/226 1502 12TDs 11INTs

Rushing Stats:
Jamal Lewis 309 rushes for 1364yds 6TDs
Priest Holmes 137 rushes for 588yds 2TDs
Trent Dilfer 20 rushes for 75yds
Tony Banks 19 rushes for 57yds

Another fairly balanced team.

Notice something common between them? QBs and RBs have clearly defined roles.

Redskins in 1987, One QB with a 48% completion & the other with a 55%. They had decent amount of yardage but that wasn't that great. Vick is a better QB than Dilfer was back in 2000. QBs and RBs have a clearly defined role on the Falcons as well, it's just the Falcons have the best rushing QB in history. It's like telling Shaq only to shoot a jumpshot instead of making points in the paint, if you can run it from the QB position why shouldn't you? Why make Vick something he is not, a pocket passer? Why force him to throw when he's so dangerous running? People rely too much on what they perceive a certain role should be & can't accept something different. Culpepper lights out #'s with Moss, without him not so much. Mcnabb before T.O. decent #'s but nothing great, once T.O. shows up he lights it up. What Vick needs is a true #1 receiver, his passing would greatly improve but for now he has to work with what he's got. A below average WR corps with a great tight end.

qft

Vick has one of--if not the--best arms in the NFL. His decision-making skills need some work, but they're continually improving, and will drastically do so once--as mentioned--he has a good #1 receiver.

 

[Shlong]

Yes, Vick needs to improve pocket passing wise. But people who think he can't ever win the big one because of that fact I think are being narrow-minded. When people think of a "real" QB they're applying the spoon fed definition of the stereotypical 3,000 yard 20+ TD season passer. It's because many have been so conditioned to apply that version, that whenever you judge a QB, people are simply incapable of thinking outside the box. The true barometer for me of a "real" QB is how much of a threat he is at his position, regardless if the threat is conventional or not, thus giving one's team a better chance at winning. If people allow themselves to think beyond what you've been programmed to think a real" QB should be, I think Vick equally qualifies if not more. Now if people are only capable of the traditional and acceptable version of a "real" QB that they've been taught, well then, Vick is and always will be, only a novelty QB.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Shlong
Yes, Vick needs to improve pocket passing wise. But people who think he can't ever win the big one because of that fact I think are being narrow-minded. When people think of a "real" QB they're applying the spoon fed definition of the stereotypical 3,000 yard 20+ TD season passer. It's because many have been so conditioned to apply that version, that whenever you judge a QB, people are simply incapable of thinking outside the box. The true barometer for me of a "real" QB is how much of a threat he is at his position, regardless if the threat is conventional or not, thus giving one's team a better chance at winning. If people allow themselves to think beyond what you've been programmed to think a real" QB should be, I think Vick equally qualifies if not more. Now if people are only capable of the traditional and acceptable version of a "real" QB that they've been taught, well then, Vick is and always will be, only a novelty QB.

OK genius, what did he do tonight that helped them win? Throw 3 interceptions? Run for 21 Yards? Pass for 116 yards? The fact is he's a glorified running back.