MMA/Boxing weight classes

[JEDI]

take the latest UFC fight for example. Brock looked HUGE compared to his opponent.

i cant imagine that they both weigh 260lbs.

and speaking of ufc100, what was the fight that caused all that blood in the octogon? i mean every corner was covered. LINK?

 

[Juddog]

They used an old mat apparently, since there was blood stains on the mat before the UFC 100 even began.

In regards to weight class, the heavyweight weight division doesn't have an upper cap on weight limit. Brock and Mir were both roughly the same height but Brock outweighed Mir by about 20 lbs.

 

[waggy]

they didnt both weigh in at 260.

Broke is huge he comes in at 260 and Mir comes in around 230-340 or so. there are not many as big as brock in MMA (there are a few bigger)

they didnt show the fight that caused all the blood. odds are it will be on the DVD when they release it

 

[Tremulant]

The blood was from two separate fights earlier in the night. The Mac Danzig fight did most of it, and there was another fight after that that added to it (I forget which one though).

Brock was already 20 lbs heavier than Mir at weigh-in (Lesnar weighed in at 265, Mir at 245), and like most fighters, Lesnar probably had to cut some weight to reach 265 lbs.
Plus, since fights are the day after the weigh-in, fighters who had to cut weight end up putting the bulk of it back on.

EDIT: I'm guessing at fight time, Lesnar probably weighed about 270 or 275. I believe he was drinking water right after he weighed-in, which usually means that they've been cutting weight. Cutting weight usually involves sitting in a sauna in a plastic suit or doing cardio work in a plastic suit to sweat it all out, so they end up being dehydrated.

EDIT#2: Lounatik is correct; I underestimated how much weight Lesnar cut. I don't think Mir cut any weight though, since he looked about the same during weigh-ins and at fight time.

 

[Tremulant]

Originally posted by: Juddog
They used an old mat apparently, since there was blood stains on the mat before the UFC 100 even began.

In regards to weight class, the heavyweight weight division doesn't have an upper cap on weight limit. Brock and Mir were both roughly the same height but Brock outweighed Mir by about 20 lbs.

IIRC, the UFC Heavyweight division has a cap of 265 lbs.

 

[Lounatik]

Thay have to cut weight to make the title defense. After the weigh in they usually put back 15 lbs or so on, so they are actually fighting at a heavier weight. Most of the weight they lose is water weight, so they have to be careful that they do not dehydrate themselves. Joe Rogan was saying that Lesnar walks around at about 290 or so. He works out heavy prior to the fight and loses about 20 lbs or so during his workouts then loses the extra before the weigh in by hitting the sauna or what ever else he uses to sweat the weight off.

Anderson Silva is another example. He supposedly walks around at 210 or so and cuts 25 lbs just to make weight. Obviously he is much bigger than some of his opponents who fight at a "natural" 185. Lesnar is like that too.

Peace


Lounatik

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Juddog
They used an old mat apparently, since there was blood stains on the mat before the UFC 100 even began.

In regards to weight class, the heavyweight weight division doesn't have an upper cap on weight limit. Brock and Mir were both roughly the same height but Brock outweighed Mir by about 20 lbs.

wrong on both counts.


they do a bunch of fights BEFORE they start showing the PPV. odds are one or two got cut. they usually put all the fights on the DVD and show them on other UFC shows on TV.

As for the weight classes again you are wrong. UFC has a weight cap for the heavyweights its 205-265 and brock is at the high end.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=LearnUFC.Rules has the weight levels. I do wish they would have under 145. WEC has some awesome fighters in that area.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Lounatik
Thay have to cut weight to make the title defense. After the weigh in they usually put back 15 lbs or so on, so they are actually fighting at a heavier weight. Most of the weight they lose is water weight, so they have to be careful that they do not dehydrate themselves. Joe Rogan was saying that Lesnar walks around at about 290 or so. He works out heavy prior to the fight and loses about 20 lbs or so during his workouts then loses the extra before the weigh in by hitting the sauna or what ever else he uses to sweat the weight off.

Anderson Silva is another example. He supposedly walks around at 210 or so and cuts 25 lbs just to make weight. Obviously he is much bigger than some of his opponents who fight at a "natural" 185. Lesnar is like that too.

Peace


Lounatik

yeah i heard he walks around at around 290. Being a wrestler for so many years cutting that weight should be easy for him and without the stress ti does for most. either at 260 or 290 he is one scarry looking dude.

i so want Lesnar to face Fedor (doubtfull) or even Shane Carwin. Shane at least is about the same size.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: waggy
I do wish they would have under 145. WEC has some awesome fighters in that area.

I've been getting to catch a lot of those on Versus HD. The Mike Brown v. Urijah Faber rematch a while back, was shaping up to be a great one, till Urijah broke his hand up.

It looked like some one put a tennis ball under the skin, it was so badly swollen.

 

[Genx87]

Yeah Brock cut weight to get 265. At fight time there is no way imo he was 265. I would say closer to 280-285. It is a common tactic wrestlers do to fight in lower divisions. All my wrestling buddies would go through it in college. Their appears looked like death while cutting weight.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Lounatik
Thay have to cut weight to make the title defense. After the weigh in they usually put back 15 lbs or so on, so they are actually fighting at a heavier weight. Most of the weight they lose is water weight, so they have to be careful that they do not dehydrate themselves. Joe Rogan was saying that Lesnar walks around at about 290 or so. He works out heavy prior to the fight and loses about 20 lbs or so during his workouts then loses the extra before the weigh in by hitting the sauna or what ever else he uses to sweat the weight off.

Anderson Silva is another example. He supposedly walks around at 210 or so and cuts 25 lbs just to make weight. Obviously he is much bigger than some of his opponents who fight at a "natural" 185. Lesnar is like that too.

Peace


Lounatik

yeah i heard he walks around at around 290. Being a wrestler for so many years cutting that weight should be easy for him and without the stress ti does for most. either at 260 or 290 he is one scarry looking dude.

i so want Lesnar to face Fedor (doubtfull) or even Shane Carwin. Shane at least is about the same size.

I guess after Fedors next fight his contract is up with Affliction. It sounds like UFC is going to try to get him with an eventual show down with Brock. I think that could be an awesome matchup.

Another one I want to see if Kimbo Slice get his doors blown off by Brock lol

 

[Tea Bag]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Another one I want to see if Kimbo Slice get his doors blown off by Brock lol

Won't happen. They're not even in the same league, and the 'word on the streets' is he didn't even make it too far in this season of TUF. Dana spoke briefly about (the alleged leak of the outcome) in one of his video logs.

 

[sourceninja]

The guys look a lot bigger because of the camera angles as well. If you meet some of them in person you would realize that besides the heavyweights, their not really that big.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Tea Bag

Originally posted by: Genx87

Another one I want to see if Kimbo Slice get his doors blown off by Brock lol

Won't happen. They're not even in the same league, and the 'word on the streets' is he didn't even make it too far in this season of TUF. Dana spoke briefly about (the alleged leak of the outcome) in one of his video logs.

no suprise. Only thing Kimbo really had going for him was his work ethic and raw power.

I never thought he would get to far on TUF. wich kinda sucks. i do have respect for the guy

Originally posted by: sourceninja
The guys look a lot bigger because of the camera angles as well. If you meet some of them in person you would realize that besides the heavyweights, their not really that big.

well duh. besides the heavyweights they aren't that big. there are just a few freakish fighters that are huge.

Originally posted by: SN4p

Kimbo was never an MMA fighter, more of a joke.

I still wouldn't wanna take a shot from him though.[/quote]

he was a MMA. not a very good one but he was a MMA fighter. I have a lot of respect for him. he was trying to make money (and he did). Its not his fault that he was blown out of proportion.

he tried his best. even going to TUF to try it.

 

[SN4p]

Originally posted by: Tea Bag

Originally posted by: Genx87

Another one I want to see if Kimbo Slice get his doors blown off by Brock lol

Won't happen. They're not even in the same league, and the 'word on the streets' is he didn't even make it too far in this season of TUF. Dana spoke briefly about (the alleged leak of the outcome) in one of his video logs.

Kimbo was never an MMA fighter, more of a joke.

I still wouldn't wanna take a shot from him though.

 

[Tea Bag]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Tea Bag

Originally posted by: Genx87

Another one I want to see if Kimbo Slice get his doors blown off by Brock lol

Won't happen. They're not even in the same league, and the 'word on the streets' is he didn't even make it too far in this season of TUF. Dana spoke briefly about (the alleged leak of the outcome) in one of his video logs.

no suprise. Only thing Kimbo really had going for him was his work ethic and raw power.

I never thought he would get to far on TUF. wich kinda sucks. i do have respect for the guy

Definitely. Props for him for showing up and competing at a top-tier level; he could have easily took his fame and cashed a check in japan to fight for DREAM or K1, but he decided to take his MMA career seriously and try out on the only stage that UFC management would allow, and that does deserve some respect.

That being said, except for a few ageless-wonder exceptions, this is definitely a young man's sport. Not only that, but you're seeing kids at the time the UFC jumped in popularity training their entire high school and college careers in multiple disciplines with the hopes of making it on the big stage and with all this television notoriety the old bar brawler Tank Abbot types are a thing of the past.

Peeking at this season's roster, it looks like after a few more tune-up fights this HW class looks very promising. Lots of big ex-collegiate and NFL players, wrestlers and guys with decent records. Kimbo looks like the most in-experienced of the bunch!

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Lounatik
Thay have to cut weight to make the title defense. After the weigh in they usually put back 15 lbs or so on, so they are actually fighting at a heavier weight. Most of the weight they lose is water weight, so they have to be careful that they do not dehydrate themselves. Joe Rogan was saying that Lesnar walks around at about 290 or so. He works out heavy prior to the fight and loses about 20 lbs or so during his workouts then loses the extra before the weigh in by hitting the sauna or what ever else he uses to sweat the weight off.

Anderson Silva is another example. He supposedly walks around at 210 or so and cuts 25 lbs just to make weight. Obviously he is much bigger than some of his opponents who fight at a "natural" 185. Lesnar is like that too.

Peace

Lounatik

lose 25lbs in water weight@? then drink 25lbs of water to get hydrated again. all this within 24hrs?!

woul;dnt this weaken the body because it went thru such extremes in a short time period?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: Lounatik
Thay have to cut weight to make the title defense. After the weigh in they usually put back 15 lbs or so on, so they are actually fighting at a heavier weight. Most of the weight they lose is water weight, so they have to be careful that they do not dehydrate themselves. Joe Rogan was saying that Lesnar walks around at about 290 or so. He works out heavy prior to the fight and loses about 20 lbs or so during his workouts then loses the extra before the weigh in by hitting the sauna or what ever else he uses to sweat the weight off.

Anderson Silva is another example. He supposedly walks around at 210 or so and cuts 25 lbs just to make weight. Obviously he is much bigger than some of his opponents who fight at a "natural" 185. Lesnar is like that too.

Peace

Lounatik

lose 25lbs in water weight@? then drink 25lbs of water to get hydrated again. all this within 24hrs?!

woul;dnt this weaken the body because it went thru such extremes in a short time period?

for most people? yes.

but he has been wrestling for years. This is very common in wrestling so i bet his body is "used" to it.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: Lounatik
Thay have to cut weight to make the title defense. After the weigh in they usually put back 15 lbs or so on, so they are actually fighting at a heavier weight. Most of the weight they lose is water weight, so they have to be careful that they do not dehydrate themselves. Joe Rogan was saying that Lesnar walks around at about 290 or so. He works out heavy prior to the fight and loses about 20 lbs or so during his workouts then loses the extra before the weigh in by hitting the sauna or what ever else he uses to sweat the weight off.

Anderson Silva is another example. He supposedly walks around at 210 or so and cuts 25 lbs just to make weight. Obviously he is much bigger than some of his opponents who fight at a "natural" 185. Lesnar is like that too.

Peace

Lounatik

lose 25lbs in water weight@? then drink 25lbs of water to get hydrated again. all this within 24hrs?!

woul;dnt this weaken the body because it went thru such extremes in a short time period?

25 lbs is a bit much for a cut, but it might have less of an effect on Lesnar or other heavyweights because they're so big to begin with.

Joe Rogan was commenting during the St. Pierre/Alves fight that Alves tends to cut significantly more weight than St. Pierre, and that it might've been hurting his performance that night (e.g., by looking "tired").

So yes, it can definitely adversely affect your performance as a fighter, especially if you either aren't used to it, or are cutting a significant portion of your natural body weight.

 

[threeringbinder]

Past UFC's were so much better when they had no weight class.
how is it ultimate when you have a weight class? in the end, There can only be one!

 

[Tea Bag]

Originally posted by: threeringbinder
Past UFC's were so much better when they had no weight class.
how is it ultimate when you have a weight class? in the end, There can only be one!

Some of the old fights were classics, but for all the Shamrock vs. Kimos and Gracie vs. Severns in the UFC's history, there were an equal amount of fights where guys would just tire and it would be a huge soozefest because of no time limits or weight classes.

Besides, Zuffa had a choice - Fight under unified rules (weight classes, rounds with time limits) or stick to the no-holds-barred tournament format and go out of business. I think they made the right choice.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Tea Bag

Originally posted by: threeringbinder
Past UFC's were so much better when they had no weight class.
how is it ultimate when you have a weight class? in the end, There can only be one!

Some of the old fights were classics, but for all the Shamrock vs. Kimos and Gracie vs. Severns in the UFC's history, there were an equal amount of fights where guys would just tire and it would be a huge soozefest because of no time limits or weight classes.

Besides, Zuffa had a choice - Fight under unified rules (weight classes, rounds with time limits) or stick to the no-holds-barred tournament format and go out of business. I think they made the right choice.

lol but (i forget the fighters) they one bought where you had a 400+lb guy against one like 220 was great. watching a little guy kick the big guys ass was a classic.

Also no rules means there was nut shots. wich happened a few times too hehe

 

[threeringbinder]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Tea Bag

Originally posted by: threeringbinder
Past UFC's were so much better when they had no weight class.
how is it ultimate when you have a weight class? in the end, There can only be one!

Some of the old fights were classics, but for all the Shamrock vs. Kimos and Gracie vs. Severns in the UFC's history, there were an equal amount of fights where guys would just tire and it would be a huge soozefest because of no time limits or weight classes.

Besides, Zuffa had a choice - Fight under unified rules (weight classes, rounds with time limits) or stick to the no-holds-barred tournament format and go out of business. I think they made the right choice.

lol but (i forget the fighters) they one bought where you had a 400+lb guy against one like 220 was great. watching a little guy kick the big guys ass was a classic.

Also no rules means there was nut shots. wich happened a few times too hehe

was it against some sumo wrestler?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: threeringbinder

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Tea Bag

Originally posted by: threeringbinder
Past UFC's were so much better when they had no weight class.
how is it ultimate when you have a weight class? in the end, There can only be one!

Some of the old fights were classics, but for all the Shamrock vs. Kimos and Gracie vs. Severns in the UFC's history, there were an equal amount of fights where guys would just tire and it would be a huge soozefest because of no time limits or weight classes.

Besides, Zuffa had a choice - Fight under unified rules (weight classes, rounds with time limits) or stick to the no-holds-barred tournament format and go out of business. I think they made the right choice.

lol but (i forget the fighters) they one bought where you had a 400+lb guy against one like 220 was great. watching a little guy kick the big guys ass was a classic.

Also no rules means there was nut shots. wich happened a few times too hehe

was it against some sumo wrestler?

yeah i think so. i can't remember.

the little guy just ran in hit and ran out. then leg kicks etc. finally the big guy fell and the little one just kept nailing him.

it was great heh

AHA! found it! GREAT FIGHT!

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: threeringbinder

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Tea Bag

Originally posted by: threeringbinder
Past UFC's were so much better when they had no weight class.
how is it ultimate when you have a weight class? in the end, There can only be one!

Some of the old fights were classics, but for all the Shamrock vs. Kimos and Gracie vs. Severns in the UFC's history, there were an equal amount of fights where guys would just tire and it would be a huge soozefest because of no time limits or weight classes.

Besides, Zuffa had a choice - Fight under unified rules (weight classes, rounds with time limits) or stick to the no-holds-barred tournament format and go out of business. I think they made the right choice.

lol but (i forget the fighters) they one bought where you had a 400+lb guy against one like 220 was great. watching a little guy kick the big guys ass was a classic.

Also no rules means there was nut shots. wich happened a few times too hehe

was it against some sumo wrestler?

if that's what it is, the sumo wrestler got his teeth knocked out. and i think nut shots were legal, but the offender had to pay $1000 to receiver.