MLB sucks

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: venkman
World Series Team:
2008 - Tampa
2007 - Colorado
2006 - St Louis (they beat my tigers 🙁)
2005 - Houston
2004 - St Louis
2003 - Florida (W)
2002 - SF Giants (W) [I believe they are fairly small market despite being in a large city]
2001- Arizona (W)

The Blue Jays have won two world series in the Indians always seem to be relevant despite trading and losing more all-star and cy young award winners than any team should. The Twins, a team considered for contraction, are in the race for the central year in and year out. So it isn't just the large market teams or a few teams that win it or are competive. OP is damn fool.

Compare it to basketball where Detroit, Chicago, Los Angles, San Antonio, Houston, and Boston have won every championship going back to the 80s except for one (when Miami won it all)

I think the Angels won 😉

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: TallBill
There are 30 teams in the MLB. In the past 10 years, 15 have made the world series, and 8 have won.

There are 32 teams in the NFL. In the past 10 years, 14 have made the Super Bowl, and 7 have won.

bingo

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: chalmers


What is the point of being a fan of the Pittsburgh Pirates, KC Royals, Baltimore Orioles, Toronto Blue Jays, Cincy Reds, Nationals...etc. Why do any fans even go when their teams year in year out have zero chance to do anything? I don't understand how baseball can have this type of revenue/salary structure. They aren't looking towards the future.

Yes, you clearly don't understand. Baseball's economic model is sound and small market teams CAN compete. As for the seeming pointlessness of being a fan of the Pirates, Royals, Orioles, Jays, Reds, Nats, etc, ask the owners. They're the ones pocketing the revenue sharing rather than investing it in fielding a winner.

 

[venkman]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: chalmers

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: chalmers
ric: Please address my concerns in my post or just don't post at all. Thanks

where do you live?

Also, that's what happens when you have a monopoly like that and no salary cap.

Although I would say the Phillies are not a serial winner.

Oakland A's did well for a while, White Sox won not too long ago, the Marlins and Diamondbacks both won in the 90's, etc.

I see your point though.

I'm a Reds fan. Lived here all my life. Tired of such a rich tradition baseball city being torn to pieces. I notice so many other cities the same way. I would be willing to bet my salary for an entire year that the Royals/Reds/Pirates/Nationals/Orioles/Blue Jays won't win a World Series for the next 20-30 years. What is the point of even having the teams at all?

Oh man, Cincinnati? I'm sorry. So you've got the Reds and the Bengals? Damn.

But you have to admit, there are plenty of NFL teams that don't get any love either. It's not just a baseball thing. As a Bengals fan, you must know this.

The Bengals, Browns, Raiders, and Saints likely won't win any Super Bowls for the next 20-30 years.

The Lions likely won't win any Super Bowls ever.

fixed

 

[chalmers]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: chalmers


What is the point of being a fan of the Pittsburgh Pirates, KC Royals, Baltimore Orioles, Toronto Blue Jays, Cincy Reds, Nationals...etc. Why do any fans even go when their teams year in year out have zero chance to do anything? I don't understand how baseball can have this type of revenue/salary structure. They aren't looking towards the future.

Yes, you clearly don't understand. Baseball's economic model is sound and small market teams CAN compete. As for the seeming pointlessness of being a fan of the Pirates, Royals, Orioles, Jays, Reds, Nats, etc, ask the owners. They're the ones pocketing the revenue sharing rather than investing it in fielding a winner.

I just don't understand how MLB can be content with having so many garbage baseball cities.

 

[venkman]

Originally posted by: TallBill
There are 30 teams in the MLB. In the past 10 years, 15 have made the world series, and 8 have won.

There are 32 teams in the NFL. In the past 10 years, 14 have made the Super Bowl, and 7 have won.

There are 30 teams in the NBA. In the past 10 years, 11 have made the NBA Finals, and 5 have won.

so basically the MLB is more competitive than the NFL and it's so called parity.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: chalmers

Why not just cut half the teams out of baseball and make two divisions only with those top teams mentioned above...those are the only teams that generally have success anyway.
Thoughts?

you could do that with the NFL also

the lions went 0-16 last year FFS why do they even have a team

 

[venkman]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: venkman
World Series Team:
2008 - Tampa
2007 - Colorado
2006 - St Louis (they beat my tigers 🙁)
2005 - Houston
2004 - St Louis
2003 - Florida (W)
2002 - SF Giants (W) [I believe they are fairly small market despite being in a large city]
2001- Arizona (W)

The Blue Jays have won two world series in the Indians always seem to be relevant despite trading and losing more all-star and cy young award winners than any team should. The Twins, a team considered for contraction, are in the race for the central year in and year out. So it isn't just the large market teams or a few teams that win it or are competive. OP is damn fool.

Compare it to basketball where Detroit, Chicago, Los Angles, San Antonio, Houston, and Boston have won every championship going back to the 80s except for one (when Miami won it all)

I think the Angels won 😉

IT WASN'T FAIR! BALCO RAN OUTTA DRUGS THAT WEEK!

 

[chalmers]

Tallbill: Your numbers don't lie. For some reason I guess logic defies me. Baseball just seems more hell bent on the rich teams winning than the others, where money doesn't matter as much.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: chalmers

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: chalmers


What is the point of being a fan of the Pittsburgh Pirates, KC Royals, Baltimore Orioles, Toronto Blue Jays, Cincy Reds, Nationals...etc. Why do any fans even go when their teams year in year out have zero chance to do anything? I don't understand how baseball can have this type of revenue/salary structure. They aren't looking towards the future.

Yes, you clearly don't understand. Baseball's economic model is sound and small market teams CAN compete. As for the seeming pointlessness of being a fan of the Pirates, Royals, Orioles, Jays, Reds, Nats, etc, ask the owners. They're the ones pocketing the revenue sharing rather than investing it in fielding a winner.

I just don't understand how MLB can be content with having so many garbage baseball cities.

Once again, there are 30 teams in the MLB.

The Pirates, Reds, Blue Jays, Royals, and Orioles have all won a world series in the past 30 years.

The Nationals were just re-formed last season.

I can keep pissing on your silly claims with actual facts and statistics if you'd like.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: chalmers
Tallbill: Your numbers don't lie. For some reason I guess logic defies me. Baseball just seems more hell bent on the rich teams winning than the others, where money doesn't matter as much.

who is this "baseball" you speak of? There isn't some governing body that determines who wins. The Yankees waste more many than any sports franchise in history and haven't won shit in 8 years. You can spend all the money you want but if you spend it foolishly (see: Yankees, Cubs) you will never win.

 

[Regs]

I wonder how many 1st round draft picks Detroit gave up in the last decade for a bunch of no name prospects?

I wish they could decommission their team.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: chalmers

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: chalmers


What is the point of being a fan of the Pittsburgh Pirates, KC Royals, Baltimore Orioles, Toronto Blue Jays, Cincy Reds, Nationals...etc. Why do any fans even go when their teams year in year out have zero chance to do anything? I don't understand how baseball can have this type of revenue/salary structure. They aren't looking towards the future.

Yes, you clearly don't understand. Baseball's economic model is sound and small market teams CAN compete. As for the seeming pointlessness of being a fan of the Pirates, Royals, Orioles, Jays, Reds, Nats, etc, ask the owners. They're the ones pocketing the revenue sharing rather than investing it in fielding a winner.

I just don't understand how MLB can be content with having so many garbage baseball cities.

Because contracting the league looks bad and the shitty owners are protected by certain legalities. The league has no authority to take a franchise away from an owner just because they don't win.

But why do you have your panties in a bunch about baseball? The same thing happens in other sports too. Crappy owners field crappy teams in the NBA (Knicks, Clippers, Bucks, Wizards, etc), they field crappy teams in the NHL (Rangers, Islanders, Nashville, Phoenix, etc) and they field crappy teams in the NFL (Lions, Browns, Raiders, etc)

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

Originally posted by: chalmers
ric: Please address my concerns in my post or just don't post at all. Thanks

WTF?

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo

Originally posted by: chalmers
ric: Please address my concerns in my post or just don't post at all. Thanks

WTF?

he's new here 🙂

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo

Originally posted by: chalmers
ric: Please address my concerns in my post or just don't post at all. Thanks

WTF?

he's new here 🙂

Ah, okay.

 

[venkman]

Originally posted by: Regs
I wonder how many 1st round draft picks Detroit gave up in the last decade for a bunch of no name prospects?

I wish they could decommission their team.

Verlander and Procello are pretty good. They traded Maybin and Miller for Miggy. Ryan Perry has show some flashes. Granted their drafting until DD came to town was nothing short of terrible (Matt Anderson, Eric Munson?) Their recent drafts have been very good.

Unless you are talking about the Lions, in that case, at least we got CJ!

 

[Yreka]

Originally posted by: Regs
I wonder how many 1st round draft picks Detroit gave up in the last decade for a bunch of no name prospects?

I wish they could decommission their team.

Lions 1st round pics 1985-2009

 

[Gunslinger08]

I've been a lifelong Orioles fan, but I haven't really watched the last two seasons. It gets old seeing them be so terrible every year.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
I've been a lifelong Orioles fan, but I haven't really watched the last two seasons. It gets old seeing them be so terrible every year.

thats too bad, cause they have a ton of talent coming up through the system.

 

[StinkyPinky]

That's the same for most sports though. Look at English soccer...it's even worse. It's the same teams winning every year (Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal). Teams like Blackburn will never win because they can't buy any talent.

 

[soulcougher73]

They need team & player salary caps to make Baseball more entertaining for the smaller market cities if they want to bring baseball back into the lime light. Ive lived in KC for the past 12 years and i enjoy going to the games, but im still a Red Sox fan at heart. One thing nice about small market teams is its cheap to go to a game. Cheap seats at Royals are like $8.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73
They need team & player salary caps to make Baseball more entertaining for the smaller market cities if they want to bring baseball back into the lime light. Ive lived in KC for the past 12 years and i enjoy going to the games, but im still a Red Sox fan at heart. One thing nice about small market teams is its cheap to go to a game. Cheap seats at Royals are like $8.

Not really. Look at the Marlins and Rays. They've both done a whole lot with not much cash. It's all about scouting and setting up your farm system correctly. Having money just makes it easier to retain players for longer and buy a team of veteran all-stars (ex. Yankees).

 

[sjwaste]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Once again, there are 30 teams in the MLB.

The Pirates, Reds, Blue Jays, Royals, and Orioles have all won a world series in the past 30 years.

The Nationals were just re-formed last season.

I can keep pissing on your silly claims with actual facts and statistics if you'd like.

Keep your facts out of this, Bill! The OP has made it clear that he wants his narrow points directly addressed, or we are not to post at all in his thread.

He doesn't like baseball. He likes football. Yet his city is as much a shit NFL city as it is a baseball city. The Reds won the World Series in 1990, and 4 other times prior. The Bengals have never won a championship and last appeared with the opportunity to win one in 1988.

The Reds had Pete Rose, both Griffeys, and countless other greats over the years. The Bengals had Boomer Esiason and... uhh.. Ickey Woods?

The OP hates baseball, to the point where he can't be bothered to investigate his claims. This thread is therefore just a weak rant. The bullshit argument that the Red Sox and Yankees are the only teams that matter has been disproven over and over. For one, the Sox had a pretty long losing streak before the past 10 years or so. Meanwhile, Florida has won it a few times, once with aging vets, but twice more with young players and a thin payroll. Yeah, a lot of those guys do play for the Sox or the Yankees now, but they won first with the team that developed them in the minors. Turns out that system works. Billy Beane was the subject of a book about it!

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73
They need team & player salary caps to make Baseball more entertaining for the smaller market cities if they want to bring baseball back into the lime light. Ive lived in KC for the past 12 years and i enjoy going to the games, but im still a Red Sox fan at heart. One thing nice about small market teams is its cheap to go to a game. Cheap seats at Royals are like $8.

Not at all. There's nothing MLB can do about having shitty GM's and other business personnel. The only reason KC sucks balls is because they continually make horrific moves, not because they don't have a 100 mil payroll. Again, see the Rays/Marlins as an example.