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MLB sucks

chalmers

chalmers

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It seems like every year the same teams generally win. Yeah I know that alot of different teams have won the WS in the past 10 years, but still. It seems like the only teams that matter are the Yankees/Red Sox/Phillies/Cardinals/Cubs (lol)/Dodgers...etc.

What is the point of being a fan of the Pittsburgh Pirates, KC Royals, Baltimore Orioles, Toronto Blue Jays, Cincy Reds, Nationals...etc. Why do any fans even go when their teams year in year out have zero chance to do anything? I don't understand how baseball can have this type of revenue/salary structure. They aren't looking towards the future.

NFL has already taken it over as the national past time (imo). More and more people are watching MMA as well. There are fewer and fewer fans being developed in most of the crappy baseball cities..so when they grow up they aren't going to care about baseball.

Plus, all the underperforming teams just give all their best players to the top teams mentioned above year in and year out...what is the point of even having a team? In the NFL for the most part, every team has a fighting chance every year to compete and perhaps make the playoffs. That is not the case in baseball.

Why not just cut half the teams out of baseball and make two divisions only with those top teams mentioned above...those are the only teams that generally have success anyway.

Had to rant a bit...tired of having losing baseball in my city for so many years.

Thoughts?
 
The main problem with baseball is that it's a shitty, shitty sport. No amount of restructuring can fix the fact that it's more boring to watch than soccer. At least with soccer, something is always happening.
 
Originally posted by: chalmers
It seems like every year the same teams generally win. Yeah I know that alot of different teams have won the WS in the past 10 years, but still. It seems like the only teams that matter are the Yankees/Red Sox/Phillies/Cardinals/Cubs (lol)/Dodgers...etc.

What is the point of being a fan of the Pittsburgh Pirates, KC Royals, Baltimore Orioles, Toronto Blue Jays, Cincy Reds, Nationals...etc. Why do any fans even go when their teams year in year out have zero chance to do anything? I don't understand how baseball can have this type of revenue/salary structure. They aren't looking towards the future.

NFL has already taken it over as the national past time (imo). More and more people are watching MMA as well. There are fewer and fewer fans being developed in most of the crappy baseball cities..so when they grow up they aren't going to care about baseball.

Plus, all the underperforming teams just give all their best players to the top teams mentioned above year in and year out...what is the point of even having a team? In the NFL for the most part, every team has a fighting chance every year to compete and perhaps make the playoffs. That is not the case in baseball.

Why not just cut half the teams out of baseball and make two divisions only with those top teams mentioned above...those are the only teams that generally have success anyway.

Had to rant a bit...tired of having losing baseball in my city for so many years.

Thoughts?
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For that kind of parity you need salary cap structure like the NFL's. Cutting teams isnt a good idea because baseball is all about tradition and thats one of the major things it holds onto.
 
Yeah I know Mooo, I am just wondering what is the point of having any of those teams when they haven't done anything in such a long time. They also are at a severe disadvantage when it comes to payroll. Most of their players end up on the Red Sox or Yankees anyway it seems. I just don't see the point.
 
Originally posted by: chalmers
ric: Please address my concerns in my post or just don't post at all. Thanks
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where do you live?

Also, that's what happens when you have a monopoly like that and no salary cap.

Although I would say the Phillies are not a serial winner.

Oakland A's did well for a while, White Sox won not too long ago, the Marlins and Diamondbacks both won in the 90's, etc.

I see your point though.
 
Originally posted by: chalmers
ric: Please address my concerns in my post or just don't post at all. Thanks
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I did address your concerns (i.e. they are baseless considering the success the rays have found).

The only teams at a complete loss in baseball are Nats, Pirates, and Royals...and they suck because they have horrific management at the top levels.

Poor teams don't give up their best players because they have them under control for 5-6 years typically. So that comment made no sense.

The only thing they need to fix is the draft, then every team will have a fair shot. As it stands now, teams have to pass on Borris type clients who demand $15 mil signing bonuses. Once they make the draft like the NBA draft with set salaries, it will be fine.

 
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: chalmers
ric: Please address my concerns in my post or just don't post at all. Thanks
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where do you live?

Also, that's what happens when you have a monopoly like that and no salary cap.

Although I would say the Phillies are not a serial winner.

Oakland A's did well for a while, White Sox won not too long ago, the Marlins and Diamondbacks both won in the 90's, etc.

I see your point though.
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I'm a Reds fan. Lived here all my life. Tired of such a rich tradition baseball city being torn to pieces. I notice so many other cities the same way. I would be willing to bet my salary for an entire year that the Royals/Reds/Pirates/Nationals/Orioles/Blue Jays won't win a World Series for the next 20-30 years. What is the point of even having the teams at all?
 
Originally posted by: chalmers
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: chalmers
ric: Please address my concerns in my post or just don't post at all. Thanks
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where do you live?

Also, that's what happens when you have a monopoly like that and no salary cap.

Although I would say the Phillies are not a serial winner.

Oakland A's did well for a while, White Sox won not too long ago, the Marlins and Diamondbacks both won in the 90's, etc.

I see your point though.
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I'm a Reds fan. Lived here all my life. Tired of such a rich tradition baseball city being torn to pieces. I notice so many other cities the same way. I would be willing to bet my salary for an entire year that the Royals/Reds/Pirates/Nationals/Orioles/Blue Jays won't win a World Series for the next 20-30 years. What is the point of even having the teams at all?
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Good thing you weren't a Red/White Sox fan then
 
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: chalmers
ric: Please address my concerns in my post or just don't post at all. Thanks
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where do you live?

Also, that's what happens when you have a monopoly like that and no salary cap.

Although I would say the Phillies are not a serial winner.

Oakland A's did well for a while, White Sox won not too long ago, the Marlins and Diamondbacks both won in the 90's, etc.

I see your point though.
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WHITE SOX ARE NOT A SMALL MARKET TEAM!!!
 
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: chalmers
ric: Please address my concerns in my post or just don't post at all. Thanks
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where do you live?

Also, that's what happens when you have a monopoly like that and no salary cap.

Although I would say the Phillies are not a serial winner.

Oakland A's did well for a while, White Sox won not too long ago, the Marlins and Diamondbacks both won in the 90's, etc.

I see your point though.
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WHITE SOX ARE NOT A SMALL MARKET TEAM!!!
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They had the 13th highest payroll (out of 30) in '05. While not Marlins poor, its not exactly Yankdeez spending either
 
Originally posted by: chalmers
Yeah I know Mooo, I am just wondering what is the point of having any of those teams when they haven't done anything in such a long time. They also are at a severe disadvantage when it comes to payroll. Most of their players end up on the Red Sox or Yankees anyway it seems. I just don't see the point.
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it's because of shitty management that either wastes money, refuses to spend money or a lethal combo of both. but techincally they're probably not hurting baseball as a whole since fans love to see a juggernaut beat the shit out of some whipping posts. Everybody loves a winner. Just sucks for the fans in the shitty cities.

The player trades arent all bad. Often times, you trade a really expensive star player for very promising prospects that could give teh same production for a fraction of the cost. The idea is that "youre fucked for this year, so you might as well prepare for next year." Teams just need to be smart and not give away players
 
Hell look at the Rays. Yeah they're good now, but the crappy attendance they've had for so many years doesn't give them much room to pay their top players when their contracts are up. Evan Longoria will be playing for the Yankees/Red Sox in 5-6 years I bet...and the Rays will work on redoing what got them to the WS last year, and then THOSE players will end up on the Yanks/Sox as well.

Is it football season yet?
 
Originally posted by: chalmers
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: chalmers
ric: Please address my concerns in my post or just don't post at all. Thanks
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where do you live?

Also, that's what happens when you have a monopoly like that and no salary cap.

Although I would say the Phillies are not a serial winner.

Oakland A's did well for a while, White Sox won not too long ago, the Marlins and Diamondbacks both won in the 90's, etc.

I see your point though.
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I'm a Reds fan. Lived here all my life. Tired of such a rich tradition baseball city being torn to pieces. I notice so many other cities the same way. I would be willing to bet my salary for an entire year that the Royals/Reds/Pirates/Nationals/Orioles/Blue Jays won't win a World Series for the next 20-30 years. What is the point of even having the teams at all?
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I'd be careful w/ that statement. The Rays were a perennial bottom feeder until that ridiculous turnaround a couple of years ago
 
Comes down to the Salary Cap IMO. Its all about who spends the most money.. now of course there are exceptions, the team that spends the most doesn't necessarily win every year. but if you look at the teams you listed that win consitantly you will notice they spend much more than teams who don't.

As a lifelong A's fan, I have always enjoyed the fact that we (up until recently) play respectable ball with little to no money (Bean ball). Problem is, it gets frustrating because the minute a player develops into a star, he is snapped up by a high salary team. Sometimes it feels like rooting for an AA team playing in the majors. The team is basically a farm program for the big spenders.
 
World Series Team:
2008 - Tampa vs Philly (W)
2007 - Colorado vs Boston (W)
2006 - St Louis (W) vs Detroit 🙁
2005 - Houston vs Chicago WS (W)
2004 - St Louis vs Boston (W)
2003 - Florida (W) vs NY
2002 - SF Giants vs LA Angels (W)
2001- Arizona (W) vs NY

Seems like a lot of teams no one said had a chance going into the season made a bid for the WS.

The Blue Jays have won two world series in the Indians always seem to be relevant despite trading and losing more all-star and cy young award winners than any team should. The Twins, a team considered for contraction, are in the race for the central year in and year out. So it isn't just the large market teams or a few teams that win it or are competitive. OP is damn fool.

Compare it to basketball where Detroit, Chicago, Los Angles, San Antonio, Houston, and Boston have won every championship going back to the 80s except for one (when Miami won it all)
 
There are 30 teams in the MLB. In the past 10 years, 15 have made the world series, and 8 have won.

There are 32 teams in the NFL. In the past 10 years, 14 have made the Super Bowl, and 7 have won.

There are 30 teams in the NBA. In the past 10 years, 11 have made the NBA Finals, and 5 have won.
 
Yeah it's true about the Rays. They seem to be the exception in most arguments. I'm just tired of the entire baseball world revolving around 5-6 teams. That's what makes the NFL so much better IMO. Every team is relevant/has a story in some way, and most teams can lead a sports show.

Baseball reminds me of the print newspaper business in some ways. Old, outdated, and poor structure.
 
Originally posted by: chalmers
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: chalmers
ric: Please address my concerns in my post or just don't post at all. Thanks
Click to expand...

where do you live?

Also, that's what happens when you have a monopoly like that and no salary cap.

Although I would say the Phillies are not a serial winner.

Oakland A's did well for a while, White Sox won not too long ago, the Marlins and Diamondbacks both won in the 90's, etc.

I see your point though.
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I'm a Reds fan. Lived here all my life. Tired of such a rich tradition baseball city being torn to pieces. I notice so many other cities the same way. I would be willing to bet my salary for an entire year that the Royals/Reds/Pirates/Nationals/Orioles/Blue Jays won't win a World Series for the next 20-30 years. What is the point of even having the teams at all?
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Oh man, Cincinnati? I'm sorry. So you've got the Reds and the Bengals? Damn.

But you have to admit, there are plenty of NFL teams that don't get any love either. It's not just a baseball thing. As a Bengals fan, you must know this.

The Bengals, Browns, Lions, Raiders, and Saints likely won't win any Super Bowls for the next 20-30 years.
 
It's not a sport, it's just a war of attrition. Who can last the most games before losing focus, getting injured, or sold wins.
 
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