he's at 563 right now, he's hit 12 this season which puts him on pace to hit 24 or 25. he hit 23 last season, so 25 is feasible.
13 more puts him at 576. then next season he would have to hit 24 more.
wow, 600. that's some pretty exclusive territory there.
3000 baby.
it's a great milestone but did that one hit between 2999 and 3000 take him from being a very good player to a great player?
it's a great milestone but did that one hit between 2999 and 3000 take him from being a very good player to a great player?
One hit, even if it's 3000 doesn't change my opinion of a player. He's either already great or he's not. I would say he has been a great player, but not a dominate one. He is a first ballot hall of famer though. consistency and longevity definitely count for a lot in my mind.
26 players have 3000 hits or more.
25 of them are in the Hall of Fame.
The other one got his 3000th hit tonight.
He might have 600 home runs before he hangs it up.
He's in and he is a first ballot guy.
Skip Bayless writing for ESPN thinks Palmeiro shouldn't even be in the HOF.
personally i think Skip Bayless has no business writing about sports.
personally i think Skip Bayless has no business writing about sports.
For me, the steroid issue is not resolved. Jose Canseco joined the Rangers in the latter half of the 1992 season. It was the 1993 season when Palmeiro became the power hitter that he is. I don't care how much he denies it.
Anyways, one HOF voter made a comment during an interview that I strongly agree with as being the ultimate factor - when said athlete was on the field, did he dominate the game? Unfortunately for Palmeiro I lean towards "no".
Then factor in that I personally believe he did use steroids, and that he would not even be considered for entry if it weren't for those steroids (& other performance enhancing substances, hgh, etc)...
have to disagree. if it was just 500+ HR's then yes, steroids would be an issue (see mark mcgwire) but the 3000+ hits sets Raffy apart. Mcwire and Palmeiro both started in 1986. mcgwire only managed 1626 hits in 4 fewer seasons. palmeiro is already at 3000.
I think he's just bitter that the Cubs traded him.
I don't agree with the steroids thing either. You can basically question any player from the late 80's to now was/is using steroids. Unless there's substantial evidence that somebody used them, I don't think you can use that in judging a players worthiness to the Hall.
Regards to Frank Thomas - he was arguably the best hitter in baseball from '90 to '00. He terrorized American League pitchers for a whole decade!
Do a comparison for Palmeiro's best decade, say '93-'03, and compare that to Thomas's '90 to '00 stats. No contest.
Just don't get too caught up in that "what have you done for me lately" mentality. Thomas has had some struggles in this new millenium, but that shouldn't diminish what he did during the 90's.
again for those that want to argue that "longevity isn't great" arguement. compare Palmeiro's career with Hank Aarons career. i think you will be surprised at the similarities. Aaron only won the MVP once his whole career. he wasn't dominant in the sense of Bonds, Griffey jr (in his prime) or Frank Thomas, he was more like Palmeiro.
We can go forever comparing player stats. For instance, if you buy into the sabermetrics approach to analyzing baseball, a walk is equally as good as a hit, and on-base percentage is the most important stat for a ball-player. Guess what, McGwire beats out Palmeiro in career OBP by 23 points.
That's why I like the single question, did he dominate the game? Right now I say he's borderline on that answer. And if the steroid rumors are true, then that would definately tip the scales in my books.
Originally posted by: happybelly
I think he's just bitter that the Cubs traded him.
I don't agree with the steroids thing either. You can basically question any player from the late 80's to now was/is using steroids. Unless there's substantial evidence that somebody used them, I don't think you can use that in judging a players worthiness to the Hall.
Not bitter that the Cubs traded him, we had Mark Grace for so many years - although I am still bitter that Cubs management dumped Grace for Matt Stairs... What a waste.
And while it's possible to be suspicious of every player in baseball - you can make a much stronger case for Palmeiro than you can for any regular Joe Six-Pack. The stats are available to anyone see, Palmeiro's power numbers skyrocketted right after Canseco became his teammate.
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