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MLB HOF: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Sammy Sosa on ballot

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This BS again? It was against federal law then, and still is now.



Do you even have any idea what McGuire/Sosa were taking? Apparently not.


As for Pete Rose, well, he chose to gamble and it opens the door to all those things JJ, so he gets treated harshly. The biggest thing sports has going for it is the integrity of two teams playing to win. Once that is gone it destroys the sport. Look at what a joke some sports in the Olympics are because teams constantly throw games to manipulate seeding. They're a joke, so these multibillion dollar businesses are trying to prevent that. It's why Pete Rose got made an example of and why PEDs weren't looked on so bad. PEDs actually make the product better. Baseball was better before all these stupid anti-PED rules.
 
Sports writers do the voting. No sports writer is going to vote those guys in.
They may get some votes, but not enough to get them in.

Rose should be in. Period. And would be in an instant if the ban was lifted (which I believe it will be at some time)

What I think is great is a lot of the current HOF'ers are threatening/promising to boycott the inductions if any of those losers get voted in.

Ryan Braun is innocent!
/me ducks
 
For the record, Barry Bonds is my favorite player ever, by far. Didn't like him when he talked, but what he did on the field won't be done for a long long time.

I will say that Barry is one of the most intelligent hitters since Ted Williams. He is actually the only person I have ever heard talk about trying to basically catch the ball with the bat, which is how I used to teach people how to hit better. He was not only crazy gifted athletically, he may have been the smartest hitter since Teddy Ballgame.

And yeah, The Science of Hitting was my baseball bible...lol
 
Do you even have any idea what McGuire/Sosa were taking? Apparently not.


As for Pete Rose, well, he chose to gamble and it opens the door to all those things JJ, so he gets treated harshly. The biggest thing sports has going for it is the integrity of two teams playing to win. Once that is gone it destroys the sport. Look at what a joke some sports in the Olympics are because teams constantly throw games to manipulate seeding. They're a joke, so these multibillion dollar businesses are trying to prevent that. It's why Pete Rose got made an example of and why PEDs weren't looked on so bad. PEDs actually make the product better. Baseball was better before all these stupid anti-PED rules.


Let me guess, you think they only took what they said or got cauight with right? Yea its not like someone could take them and not get caught.
Next thing you will tell me is lance armstrong took them, he tested clean, duh. :whiste:
 
Sports writers do the voting. No sports writer is going to vote those guys in.
They may get some votes, but not enough to get them in.

Rose should be in. Period. And would be in an instant if the ban was lifted (which I believe it will be at some time)

What I think is great is a lot of the current HOF'ers are threatening/promising to boycott the inductions if any of those losers get voted in.

Ryan Braun is innocent!
/me ducks


I don't think they will get in either, but there are some nutty writers out there and I can see them getting more votes than many think.
 
Bonds and Clemens are, without question, hall of famers. But I despise cheating, and if you're going to make PEDs illegal (as they should be), then you can never let those guys in. Ever. Period. If Pete Rose isn't eligible for gambling, these guys should be permanently ineligible for PEDs.
 
I look at this like speeding to some degree, and this is what I mean by that.

Speeding is illegal
Everyone speeds
Some get tickets
Many never get tickets
Only those caught pay fines

Why not let these cheaters in the HoF? Because they got caught CHEATING. It doesn't matter if everyone else were doing it or not, we know they were so out with them and good riddance! That's representative deterrence; those caught are made examples of. All this moral relativist crap is just that and always has been.

I also think the current system sucks. One positive test should be a lifetime ban period. There will always be plenty of ball players drooling over that spot on a roster. Fuck these losers.
 
I look at this like speeding to some degree, and this is what I mean by that.

Speeding is illegal
Everyone speeds
Some get tickets
Many never get tickets
Only those caught pay fines

Why not let these cheaters in the HoF? Because they got caught CHEATING. It doesn't matter if everyone else were doing it or not, we know they were so out with them and good riddance! That's representative deterrence; those caught are made examples of. All this moral relativist crap is just that and always has been.

I also think the current system sucks. One positive test should be a lifetime ban period. There will always be plenty of ball players drooling over that spot on a roster. Fuck these losers.

Except Bonds hasn't been caught of actual PEDs, just a lot of testimony and an unrelated guilty verdict. So in his case, its more like 100 people standing by the highway seeing him speed by ridiculously fast, him saying he thought he was going the limit, but no one has 100% proof of it.
 
I will say that Barry is one of the most intelligent hitters since Ted Williams. He is actually the only person I have ever heard talk about trying to basically catch the ball with the bat, which is how I used to teach people how to hit better. He was not only crazy gifted athletically, he may have been the smartest hitter since Teddy Ballgame.

And yeah, The Science of Hitting was my baseball bible...lol

Wow, props for referencing the Science of Hitting. That's what I read as a kid as well (and had a pretty successful baseball stint in High school). The Splendid Splinter was the greatest hitter of all time. Bonds was a great hitter well although he had way more time to judge (measured in tenths of a second) than his peers due to PEDs which sucks. He was a HOFer before he decided he needed to increase his hat size from a 7.5-->9.
 
Sports writers do the voting. No sports writer is going to vote those guys in.
They may get some votes, but not enough to get them in.
Does anyone else see something wrong here? Why the hell do some writers that never played the game on a prefessional level get to decide who is in the Hall of Fame and who isn't? I have always hated this and that will never change.
 
Does anyone else see something wrong here? Why the hell do some writers that never played the game on a prefessional level get to decide who is in the Hall of Fame and who isn't? I have always hated this and that will never change.


If not them, then who? They know the players and the sport as well as anyone.
 
Bonds & Clemens are HOF'ers. Even before they were on the juice they put up great numbers and won MVP's / Cy Young's.

In an era of cheaters, some cheaters need to be voted in.
 
Perhaps they should just build a special HOF wing for the players that took performance enhancing drugs.

Maybe even they could get a pharmaceutical company to sponsor it.

Uno
 
One of my favorite random moments of all time was during a regular season game between the Giants and Dodgers. It was the bottom of the ninth, dodgers up 3-1 Eric Gagne vs. Barry Bonds. Gagne throws 100MPH fastball which Bonds pulls foul into the cove. Next pitch Gagne throws 101 MPH and Bonds yokes it into the Stratosphere for a home run.

Juice on Juice right there - and it was awesome!
 
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Looks none of them will make it this year.

Baseball's all-time home run king and its most decorated pitcher likely will be shut out of the Hall of Fame in January. A survey by The Associated Press shows that Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, as well as slugger Sammy Sosa, don't have enough votes to get into Cooperstown. With steroid scandals still very much on the minds of longtime members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America as they cast their ballots, the trio failed to muster even 50 percent support among the 112 voters contacted by the AP — nearly one-fifth of those eligible to choose.
Candidates need 75 percent for election.
So Bonds, the only seven-time MVP, and Clemens, the only seven-time Cy Young Award winner, are likely to remain outside the Hall along with career hits leader Pete Rose, who was banned for betting on baseball as manager of the Cincinnati Reds.
"I'm not going to vote for anybody who has been tainted or associated with steroids," said MLB.com's Hal Bodley, the former baseball columnist for USA Today. "I'm just not going to do it. I might change down the road, but I just love the game too much. I have too much passion for the game and for what these people did to it."
The current ballot was announced this week and Bonds, Clemens and Sosa were on it for the first time. Votes will be cast throughout the month and results will be released Jan. 9.
Among voters who expressed an opinion, Bonds received 45 percent support, Clemens 43 percent and Sosa 18 percent. To gain election, Bonds and Clemens would need more than 80 percent support among the voters not surveyed and Sosa would need to get more than 85 percent.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/...a-likely-to-fall-short-in-hall/#ixzz2DrHgKBk7

In Sosa's case, he probably won't make it ever. Bonds and Clemens will eventually make it I think.
 
They shouldn't get in the HoF based solely on the fact that they got caught cheating. Everyone cheats in one way or another, these douchebags just made it too obvious.
 
They shouldn't get in the HoF based solely on the fact that they got caught cheating. Everyone cheats in one way or another, these douchebags just made it too obvious.

Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe, and plenty of others have been banned for life for cheating. Why should these guys be allowed to ruin the integrity of the game when better men before them were not allowed to? Hell they should never get in just based on them going to DC. Guys like Ken Griffey Jr and Chipper Jones should be the obvious picks from that generation for enshrinement. Maybe Thome since his name has been crystal clear from what I hear.
 
Jr. Griffey was my favorite player growing up, or when I got into baseball around Jr. High. Shame about his injuries and playing for a small market team. Still first ballot HoF.
 
Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe, and plenty of others have been banned for life for cheating. Why should these guys be allowed to ruin the integrity of the game when better men before them were not allowed to? Hell they should never get in just based on them going to DC. Guys like Ken Griffey Jr and Chipper Jones should be the obvious picks from that generation for enshrinement. Maybe Thome since his name has been crystal clear from what I hear.

In the baseball world, gambling and throwing games is considered a far bigger offense than steroids.
 
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