MLB agents ponder beating potential tax increase

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DANA POINT, Calif. (AP) ? Looking ahead to the possibility of an Obama administration, some baseball agents already are thinking about trying to beat a possible tax increase for their well-paid clients.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has proposed increasing the top federal income tax rate from 35 percent to 39.6 percent, where it was under the Clinton administration. If signing bonuses are paid before Jan. 1, they likely would be taxed at the current rate and would not be subject to any tax increase.

"It's something we'll consider," agent Craig Landis said Tuesday at the general managers' meetings. "Besides the federal issue, we have a state issue in some cases, anyway, where it's advantageous to take signing bonuses because of the state income tax. A Florida resident can take the signing bonus and not have to pay his team's state tax."

Obama's proposal would increase federal income tax on families earning more than $250,000 annually, money that would help finance a decrease for workers and families earning less than $200,000 annually.

Next year's major league minimum is $400,000. Agent Scott Boras, negotiating eight- and possibly nine-figure deals for free agents Manny Ramirez and Mark Teixeira, already has thought about the possibility of asking for larger signing bonuses payable this year in some of his contracts.

"There's some consideration to be had with the impact of the election," he said.

Free agents can't start negotiating money with all teams until Nov. 14. Only a relatively small percentage of contracts are finalized before Jan. 1.

Still, for a big-money free agent earning $10 million in 2009, Obama's plan could increase his federal tax by more than $400,000.

"There's some consideration to be had with the impact of the election," said Paul Kinzer, who represents free-agent closer Francisco Rodriguez.

With the general election Tuesday, many of the GMs said they had voted by absentee ballot. New York Mets general manager Omar Minaya said he could predict whether his counterparts supported Democrats or Republicans.

"I'm working out, I'm at the gym, I'm looking around, everyone's watching TV," he said. "And you can tell: A guy would be on the Fox channel, somebody would get off (the machine), and the other guy would just switch right to CNN. Or somebody would be on CNN, and the other guy would go like, OK, `I'm not watching this stuff.'"

Minaya, who worked for the Texas Rangers when George W. Bush was controlling owner, said some of the GMs also turned to MSNBC.

Agents generally had thought about the possibility of a tax increase more than the GMs. Many of the club representatives said they likely wouldn't be able to determine until after Nov. 14 whether beating a tax hike was a trend.

"It's not off the wall," said Andrew Friedman, executive vice president for baseball operations of the AL champion Tampa Bay Rays. "We'd certainly be open-minded to it depending on what the rest of the terms of the deal are."



Looks like the tax avoidance efforts are already escalating. It will be curious to see how much larger the tax gap gets and how accurate projections were.
 

frostedflakes

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Yeah I don't really see the big deal with trying to get the contracts done quickly to avoid the tax increase. And even after Obama's in office, how long will it take to get the new taxes pushed through Congress? Most/all Republicans will probably be opposed, although I guess if Democrats can grab a few of the Republicans and/or Independent votes they would be able to stop any filibustering.
 

JS80

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lol have these idiots ever heard of PR? "hell this is the associated press i would like to talk to you about plans to accelerate contract negotiations to avoid the Obama tax hike. *CLICK*"
 

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LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?
 

Slick5150

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?



Winnar!

 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?



Winnar!

Not only that but don;t forget the "Today the mets sign Bob to a 50million contract. Also the mets said ticket prices would go up another $5 next year..."

But yea poor poor millionaires need all the breaks they can get. :roll:


 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?



Winnar!

But yea poor poor millionaires need all the breaks they can get. :roll:



QFTruth!
 

Dari

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Major League Baseball is one of the most socialist/communistic system America ever invented. Shared wealth? WTF?
 

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C'mon. It's FUN! Pick your own team, today :p

2008 Overpaid MLB **FAIL** Roster

Catcher: Jorge Posada - New York Yankees - $13.1M
.268 BA / 3 HRs / 22 RBIs

1st Base: Paul Konerko - Chicago White Sox - $12.0M
.240 BA / 22 HRs / 62 RBIs

2nd Base: Jeff Kent - Los Angeles Dodgers - $9.0M
.280 BA / 12 HRs / 59 RBIs

3rd Base: Eric Chavez - Oakland A?s - $11.5M
.247 BA / 2 HRs / 14 RBIs

SS: Nomar Garciaparra - Los Angeles Dodgers - $ 9.516M
.264 BA / 8 HRs / 28 RBIs

OF: Gary Sheffield - Detroit Tigers - $13.326M
.225 BA / 19 HRs / 57 RBIs

OF: Gary Matthews - Los Angeles Angels - $9.4M
.242 BA / 8 HRs / 46 RBIs

OF: Andruw Jones - Los Angeles Dodgers - $14.726M
.158 BA / 3 HRs / 14 RBIs

RH Starting Pitcher: Jason Schmidt - Los Angeles Dodgers - $15.217M
1 win - 4 losses / 6.31 ERA

LH Starting Pitcher: Mike Hampton - Atlanta Braves - $15.975M
3 wins - 4 losses / 4.85 ERA


All this could be yours for the paltry sum of $124 million
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?

Who knows, it might not even stop at 5%.

People are going to change their behaviors.
 

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?



Winnar!

But yea poor poor millionaires need all the breaks they can get. :roll:



QFTruth!
Actually, cities pay for stadiums in order to help their local economy. No stadium - no tourism, less city revenue.. less money for street repairs, less money for police, etc.

So instead of the knee jerk reaction to the "big bad corporate" stadiums, maybe people can think about how it affects the little guys that may rely on the revenues that are generated by the stadiums.


 

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?



Winnar!

Winnar!
QFT
 

TallBill

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1st Base: Paul Konerko - Chicago White Sox - $12.0M
.240 BA / 22 HRs / 62 RBIs

I'd take Paul back, he had several injuries and played great at the end of the season.
 

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?

Who knows, it might not even stop at 5%.

People are going to change their behaviors.

What the hell are you talking about again?

 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?



Winnar!

But yea poor poor millionaires need all the breaks they can get. :roll:



QFTruth!
Actually, cities pay for stadiums in order to help their local economy. No stadium - no tourism, less city revenue.. less money for street repairs, less money for police, etc.

So instead of the knee jerk reaction to the "big bad corporate" stadiums, maybe people can think about how it affects the little guys that may rely on the revenues that are generated by the stadiums.

You know who's helped MORE by the stadium(s) being built? Oh yeah, it's the Players and Team owners who collectively directly make HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS per year due to the existence of said stadium in said city.

City revenue, give me a freakin' break. That's a drop in the bucket.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?

Who knows, it might not even stop at 5%.

People are going to change their behaviors.

What the hell are you talking about again?

Try reading the article, champ. People aren't sitting around and waiting for Obama to take their money.
 

eleison

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Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?



Winnar!

But yea poor poor millionaires need all the breaks they can get. :roll:



QFTruth!
Actually, cities pay for stadiums in order to help their local economy. No stadium - no tourism, less city revenue.. less money for street repairs, less money for police, etc.

So instead of the knee jerk reaction to the "big bad corporate" stadiums, maybe people can think about how it affects the little guys that may rely on the revenues that are generated by the stadiums.

You know who's helped MORE by the stadium(s) being built? Oh yeah, it's the Players and Team owners who collectively directly make HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS per year due to the existence of said stadium in said city.

City revenue, give me a freakin' break. That's a drop in the bucket.



If wrigleyfield were to threaten to leave Chicago right now. Major Daley would get on his hands and knees; and give the owners the best bj they ever had in they whole entire lives. Thats how much the Chicago cubs stadium means to Major Daley. It is one of the most popular destinations in Chicago and has brought in more money, than the city has ever put into it.

So if you still don't believe me than you are delusional. FYI, I live around the stadium and I can see how it helps the economy first hand.

My friend, its about wealth creation, not about wealth redistribution...
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?



Winnar!

But yea poor poor millionaires need all the breaks they can get. :roll:



QFTruth!
Actually, cities pay for stadiums in order to help their local economy. No stadium - no tourism, less city revenue.. less money for street repairs, less money for police, etc.

So instead of the knee jerk reaction to the "big bad corporate" stadiums, maybe people can think about how it affects the little guys that may rely on the revenues that are generated by the stadiums.

You know who's helped MORE by the stadium(s) being built? Oh yeah, it's the Players and Team owners who collectively directly make HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS per year due to the existence of said stadium in said city.

City revenue, give me a freakin' break. That's a drop in the bucket.



If wrigleyfield were to threaten to leave Chicago right now. Major Daley would get on his hands and knees; and give the owners the best bj they ever had in they whole entire lives. Thats how much the Chicago cubs stadium means to Major Daley. It is one of the most popular destinations in Chicago and has brought in more money, than the city has ever put into it.

So if you still don't believe me than you are delusional. FYI, I live around the stadium and I can see how it helps the economy first hand.

My friend, its about wealth creation, not about wealth redistribution...

You have something to back up your claims?

Most stadiums never bring in the magic money they say they will, its a pipe dream. Its more for Ego to the in office politician then the people of the city.

 

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?



Winnar!

But yea poor poor millionaires need all the breaks they can get. :roll:



QFTruth!
Actually, cities pay for stadiums in order to help their local economy. No stadium - no tourism, less city revenue.. less money for street repairs, less money for police, etc.

So instead of the knee jerk reaction to the "big bad corporate" stadiums, maybe people can think about how it affects the little guys that may rely on the revenues that are generated by the stadiums.

You know who's helped MORE by the stadium(s) being built? Oh yeah, it's the Players and Team owners who collectively directly make HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS per year due to the existence of said stadium in said city.

City revenue, give me a freakin' break. That's a drop in the bucket.



If wrigleyfield were to threaten to leave Chicago right now. Major Daley would get on his hands and knees; and give the owners the best bj they ever had in they whole entire lives. Thats how much the Chicago cubs stadium means to Major Daley. It is one of the most popular destinations in Chicago and has brought in more money, than the city has ever put into it.

So if you still don't believe me than you are delusional. FYI, I live around the stadium and I can see how it helps the economy first hand.

My friend, its about wealth creation, not about wealth redistribution...

Not sure why you picked that stadium since it's a historical landmark and not part of the problem we're talking about. It was built in 1914 and not financed by taxpayers.

The White Sox's stadium is an example of a stadium financed by taxpayers, and it might bring 5 tourists a year. The only reason the Sox have to stay is since we already bought them a damn stadium, they're obliged to use it.
 

Insomniator

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He doesn't need something to back up his claims, he lives there first hand. Do you have any idea how many jobs stadiums create? Morale? Tourism...

I guess you could knock em all down and put up cheap government provided housing and soup kitchens though right?
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Insomniator
He doesn't need something to back up his claims, he lives there first hand. Do you have any idea how many jobs stadiums create? Morale? Tourism...

I guess you could knock em all down and put up cheap government provided housing and soup kitchens though right?

You know how many jobs would be created with tax cuts to business's, how much tourism would go up if crime was less with more cops, etc...

You do not get back what you put into a new stadium. It is corp./Business welfare.
 

eleison

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Originally posted by: yowolabi
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?



Winnar!

But yea poor poor millionaires need all the breaks they can get. :roll:



QFTruth!
Actually, cities pay for stadiums in order to help their local economy. No stadium - no tourism, less city revenue.. less money for street repairs, less money for police, etc.

So instead of the knee jerk reaction to the "big bad corporate" stadiums, maybe people can think about how it affects the little guys that may rely on the revenues that are generated by the stadiums.

You know who's helped MORE by the stadium(s) being built? Oh yeah, it's the Players and Team owners who collectively directly make HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS per year due to the existence of said stadium in said city.

City revenue, give me a freakin' break. That's a drop in the bucket.



If wrigleyfield were to threaten to leave Chicago right now. Major Daley would get on his hands and knees; and give the owners the best bj they ever had in they whole entire lives. Thats how much the Chicago cubs stadium means to Major Daley. It is one of the most popular destinations in Chicago and has brought in more money, than the city has ever put into it.

So if you still don't believe me than you are delusional. FYI, I live around the stadium and I can see how it helps the economy first hand.

My friend, its about wealth creation, not about wealth redistribution...

Not sure why you picked that stadium since it's a historical landmark and not part of the problem we're talking about. It was built in 1914 and not financed by taxpayers.

The White Sox's stadium is an example of a stadium financed by taxpayers, and it might bring 5 tourists a year. The only reason the Sox have to stay is since we already bought them a damn stadium, they're obliged to use it.


Agreed. I guess what I am railing about is that people sometimes have a knee jerk reaction to stadiums. I agree there are some stadiums that do bring in money and some that don't. Its not a panacea for the local economy's ill, however, its not a automatic "bad deal".

I have a lot of friends who are sox fans. They always complain that when they go to that stadium, there's no place to hang out. I've been to the stadium. Its really nice. However, it just doesn't have the bars, eateries, cafes, restaurants, etc. Not to mention, its pretty darn close to some of the more "riskier" neighborhoods. Its no wonder its not doing so well.

if the neighborhood that the US celluar field (sox stadium), gets better, than more people would come and spend money. Actually, since stadiums do last a while and the neighbor is somewhat improving, it may not be that long until, US celluar is a cash cow that wriggly is.
 

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Poor rich baseball players, rofl.

What's funny is that wingnuts don't even realize that the economy has historically done better under Democrat/liberal administrations than Republican/conservative ones since 1888. So if I'm paying more in taxes (since I make less than 250K, I won't), but see more services and see lower consumer prices, I'm better off than under the current dire economic situation.

Makes sense, and is exactly why Obama and Dems blew out McCain and Repubs. And McCain was the most liberal guy the GOP could get.
 

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
LOL they really are concerned about the 5% tax increase? How about taxpayers stop accepting tax increases to fund their damn stadiums?

Who knows, it might not even stop at 5%.

People are going to change their behaviors.

What the hell are you talking about again?

Try reading the article, champ. People aren't sitting around and waiting for Obama to take their money.

I feel almost as sorry for the tax increase these way too overpaid baseball players are going to see as I do for their agents.

I have a better idea, instead of them worrying if they are going to get hit with a $400K increase on their $10 million salary, how about we just pay them all a flat rate of $1 million a year and give them all a nice big tax break. I'll bet they all go for that!

Sorry, but when I hear that multi millionaires are worrying about their taxes going up, I LOL and remember why this former season ticket holder of 30+ years stopped attending MLB games.