Mitt Romney just announced his exploratory committee.

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her209

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I am a little confused here. It sounds like you are saying that Romney could win in a general election, but not in a Primary. Why would that be? What I mean is, in the Republican Primary only Republicans would be voting. In the general election everybody votes, Republican, Democrats and Independents. So essentially you are saying that Republicans are more concerned with the candidate's religion than they are about the qualifications of the candidate. Is that what you are telling us, or am I reading it all wrong?
Romney couldn't win in either case, but he'd have a much harder time in the Republican primary because of his religion.
 

JimW1949

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Romney couldn't win in either case, but he'd have a much harder time in the Republican primary because of his religion.
OK, so then I was correct in assuming what you were saying is that Republicans are more concerned with religion than anything else. Qualifications do not matter, it only matters that you are the right religion. That being the case, what religion would you need to be in order to get the Republican Primary vote?
 

Capt Caveman

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A lot of people said that Kennedy couldn't win because he was Catholic, but being Catholic didn't seem to be all that much of a problem on election day.

Catholics don't come to my house annually to ask me if I believe in Jesus Christ, forcing me to tell them I worship Satan for them to go away.
 

Anarchist420

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Actually, Catholics back then were just as bad as mormons in that regard. Nonetheless, I really hope the fuck Romney doesn't get the nomination because I read that he recently said he would not pursue any restrictions on the Fed, nor doing anything about Ben Bernanke. That indicates that Romney is a corporatist and that if elected, he will be a big spender like all the rest of them.
 

fskimospy

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If you guys thought the John Kerry flip-flop ads were bad, oh holy Jesus just wait until you see the Mitt Romney flip-flop ads.
 

soundforbjt

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John Stewart had a great poster for Romney last night. Romney said in his internet announcement that sometimes he failed in business (something like that, can't remember exactly) and Stewart's poster for Romney said Romney 2012 Sometimes I Suck. Thought it was funny.

Maybe Romney can use magic underwear to win the nomination this time !
 

Pens1566

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I find it slightly amusing he did it on the anniversary of romneycare. Haha. Can't wait for that to be dodged ...
 

Moonbeam

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Mitt Romney is the Fukushima Daiichi radiation leak of phony, a glow in the dark plastic fantastic, an unctuous mass of insincerity and ego ambition.
 

werepossum

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John Stewart had a great poster for Romney last night. Romney said in his internet announcement that sometimes he failed in business (something like that, can't remember exactly) and Stewart's poster for Romney said Romney 2012 Sometimes I Suck. Thought it was funny.

Maybe Romney can use magic underwear to win the nomination this time !
Sucking only sometimes would be an improvement.

I find it slightly amusing he did it on the anniversary of romneycare. Haha. Can't wait for that to be dodged ...
Romney is FOR states covering everyone, AGAINST the federal government doing so. Accordingly, it shouldn't take a lot of dodging for Romney to explain why as governor he did exactly as he advocates, although admittedly it is an unusual quality for politicians.
 

ch33zw1z

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lol, good ole Mitt. He quit f'in up Mass, so now he's on to bigger and better f ups.

edit: for good measure: damn mormon! :p
 

Anarchist420

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Sucking only sometimes would be an improvement.


Romney is FOR states covering everyone, AGAINST the federal government doing so. Accordingly, it shouldn't take a lot of dodging for Romney to explain why as governor he did exactly as he advocates, although admittedly it is an unusual quality for politicians.
The states' rights argument doesn't convince me about Romney, because of all the ways he's against states' rights, including but not limited to the Fed, wanting to double the size of Guantanamo Bay, the Brady Bill, etc., etc.

I don't even think most Republicans have a high priority for going to free market health care anyway. All most of them seem to care about is blowing up innocent brown people and occupation of their lands with no end in sight. Most Republicans are willing to accept Paul Ryan's budget proposal, which doesn't even propose freezing spending.
 

werepossum

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The states' rights argument doesn't convince me about Romney, because of all the ways he's against states' rights, including but not limited to the Fed, wanting to double the size of Guantanamo Bay, the Brady Bill, etc., etc.

I don't even think most Republicans have a high priority for going to free market health care anyway. All most of them seem to care about is blowing up innocent brown people and occupation of their lands with no end in sight. Most Republicans are willing to accept Paul Ryan's budget proposal, which doesn't even propose freezing spending.
Free market health care has advanced to the point that most people cannot afford it, thus requiring insurance. A significant number of people cannot afford insurance either. So a completely free market health care system, even with government regulation, is not going to work. I'm all for using the efficiency of the free market as much as is practical, but a candidate insisting on a completely free market health care system is not going to get my vote. I'm looking for a candidate who recognizes the efficiency of the free market but also that government has an obligation to try to see that everyone has access to health care and thus will have to maintain some level of funding as well as control. Accordingly I have no fundamental opposition to Romneycare, although I think we need to mandate government-controlled health care at the catastrophic or nearly so level. Check-ups and routine health care should be the financial responsibility of the individual, not routed through some bloated state government agency and certainly not through some bloated federal government agency.

I think that my poor neighbor has the responsibility of budgeting his limited means so that he can afford routine doctor visits. As long as he does so, I've no moral opposition to my tax dollars being used when he needs heart surgery.
 

sportage

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You labeled the post incorrectly. The actual name was meant to be Bob Dole, not Mitt Romney. Please correct. :D
 

Thump553

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Mitt Romney is perhaps the only rational person to run as the GOP candidate for Presidency. He will, unfortunately, go nowhere. The rabid right which controls the GOP will not forgive him for the bipartisan and successful medical insurance reforms he instituted in MA. Many in the general electorate (myself included) will not vote for ANYONE for President that belongs to a bizarre religious cult.

I'm surprised he announced this early-I thought he would try to ride in as a white knight late in the game to save the party. Perhaps he is going to try to redo McCain's rise from the ashes ala 2008.
 

jonks

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Santorum (don't know him? try google) just announced his exploratory committee. Look out GOP front-runners, he may be trailing now, but if there's one thing Santorum is good at it's coming from behind.
 

Pens1566

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Santorum (don't know him? try google) just announced his exploratory committee. Look out GOP front-runners, he may be trailing now, but if there's one thing Santorum is good at it's coming from behind.

I see what you did here
 

werepossum

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Santorum (don't know him? try google) just announced his exploratory committee. Look out GOP front-runners, he may be trailing now, but if there's one thing Santorum is good at it's coming from behind.
I missed the joke. Personally I like Santorum, but he's had a few too many whacks with the crazy stick to get my vote. I disagree with almost every one of the Messiah's core values (to the extent I can perceive them), but at least he's not crazy.
 

soundforbjt

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werepossum said:
I missed the joke. Personally I like Santorum

I doubt you would after googling Santorum.


Maybe Santorum (google) can be contained by Romney's magic underwear. :eek:
 
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CallMeJoe

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...Many in the general electorate (myself included) will not vote for ANYONE for President that belongs to a bizarre religious cult...
Why are Mormons any more bizarre than the other devotees of the undead god?
 

thraashman

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Free market health care has advanced to the point that most people cannot afford it, thus requiring insurance. A significant number of people cannot afford insurance either. So a completely free market health care system, even with government regulation, is not going to work. I'm all for using the efficiency of the free market as much as is practical, but a candidate insisting on a completely free market health care system is not going to get my vote. I'm looking for a candidate who recognizes the efficiency of the free market but also that government has an obligation to try to see that everyone has access to health care and thus will have to maintain some level of funding as well as control. Accordingly I have no fundamental opposition to Romneycare, although I think we need to mandate government-controlled health care at the catastrophic or nearly so level. Check-ups and routine health care should be the financial responsibility of the individual, not routed through some bloated state government agency and certainly not through some bloated federal government agency.

I think that my poor neighbor has the responsibility of budgeting his limited means so that he can afford routine doctor visits. As long as he does so, I've no moral opposition to my tax dollars being used when he needs heart surgery.

I personally think prenatal care and child healthcare should be completely covered by the federal government. If the parents cannot afford it that is
 

jonks

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I missed the joke. Personally I like Santorum, but he's had a few too many whacks with the crazy stick to get my vote. I disagree with almost every one of the Messiah's core values (to the extent I can perceive them), but at least he's not crazy.

Er, well, you see Dan Savage, gay sex columnist took issues with Santorum comparing gay marriage to incest, bestiality, etc, and launched a campaign of sorts to exact ironic vengeance. He succeeded. Really, google Santorum. But for the love of god don't click Image Search.
 

Thump553

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I missed the joke. Personally I like Santorum, but he's had a few too many whacks with the crazy stick to get my vote. I disagree with almost every one of the Messiah's core values (to the extent I can perceive them), but at least he's not crazy.

I was following you right up until "but at least he's not crazy." He certainly says crazy things quite often-all you saying he's like Trump-just spouting nonsense to get publicity?
 

Jaskalas

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Romney likely has the best shot at winning

All the best Half-Dems do.

Bush, McCain, Romney. The GOP is covered in Neocons due to their electability with moderate and compromising views. I will not vote for another government expanding gun-ho President. I might have just described Obama, but I didn't vote for him either. The Democrats can keep these like-minded 'electable' men.

Throw them out of the GOP, or throw the GOP under the bus. The buck stops here. No more Half-Dems, I want a god damn conservative. I want someone who opposed the 2008 bailouts, who stands by principle and does not fear a free people. Someone who does NOT compromise life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

Maybe General Petraeus and Romney could be running mates down the road, if someone could convince the general to run and he "wins" Afghanistan (or at least drastically improves the situation).
o_O

Coherent but crazy. How can you 1: Believe Afghanistan will be 'won', and 2: To think top rank military brass should hold the Presidency. The man has come out against civil liberties to 'protect' his Afghanistan campaign and you swoon for him.

I picture you wanting a nice government expanding strong-man to go around shooting people. Obama would fit the bill except he's meek, so you turn to the next best thing.
 
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