Mitsubishi Evolution versus Subaru WRX STi

[OS]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog
0-60 in 5.8 secs for the STi sounds kind of slow doesn't it?

I also like the article's political correctness in calling Ricers fans of The Fast and the Furious.

It depends on how and where they got the time. At my local track, an evo only ran like high 14s, probably because they didn't use a clutch frying launch and it's high and hot at this track. I think some publications use "corrected" numbers which almost always make the numbers better. If edmunds is serving the numbers straight up, they're probably accurate.

 

[psteng19]

Wait, so these cars are only good for low 14's in the 1/4 and high 5's to 60?
I thought they could hit low 13's and were Nissan Z killers for cheaper?

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: psteng19
Wait, so these cars are only good for low 14's in the 1/4 and high 5's to 60?
I thought they could hit low 13's and were Nissan Z killers for cheaper?

i'm feeling the same vibe...

 

[Mani]

I'd get the Evo between it and the STi...most mags seem to agree on it being the better driver's car, and I get the feeling the STi is more of a brute force contender while the Evo is more about finesse. I was very impressed when some mag (R&T maybe?) got the BEST - bar none- braking performance of any car ever tested for the Evo. Of course, that was shattered by the Enzo next month, but still...

 

[Kenji4861]

I think Lancer does have a stronger look, but looking at the regular things like resale value, reliability.. I'll choose Subaru Impreza Sti.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: psteng19
Wait, so these cars are only good for low 14's in the 1/4 and high 5's to 60?
I thought they could hit low 13's and were Nissan Z killers for cheaper?

You can't compare cherry picked magazine numbers for the Z against low numbers for these two cars.

I've seen a couple stock 350Zs at the track and they weren't that fast. For every one Z I see at the track, I see a dozen fixed up civics and integras that can smoke them.

 

[Whisper]

The STi makes me seriously consider dropping out of college to find a full-time job that could support a new car loan.

Good lord, I want that thing...

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: Whisper
The STi makes me seriously consider dropping out of college to find a full-time job that could support a new car loan.

Good lord, I want that thing...

I know how u feel

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: psteng19 Wait, so these cars are only good for low 14's in the 1/4 and high 5's to 60? I thought they could hit low 13's and were Nissan Z killers for cheaper?

You can't compare cherry picked magazine numbers for the Z against low numbers for these two cars. I've seen a couple stock 350Zs at the track and they weren't that fast. For every one Z I see at the track, I see a dozen fixed up civics and integras that can smoke them.

There are lots of "fixed up" Civics and Integras down here as well. I've seen maybe 2 or 3 of them capable or running a low 14 at the track. It also depends on the driver as well. Most of the 350z owners I know aren't willing to beat on their cars and hardly know how to drive them.

For every 13 second Civic or Integra out there, there are just as many Camaros and Mustangs that eat them alive and hardly burp.

 

[djplayx714]

Go Mitsubishi!!!

 

[boyRacer]

Hell... I'll take either one.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Rent

There are lots of "fixed up" Civics and Integras down here as well. I've seen maybe 2 or 3 of them capable or running a low 14 at the track. It also depends on the driver as well. Most of the 350z owners I know aren't willing to beat on their cars and hardly know how to drive them.

For every 13 second Civic or Integra out there, there are just as many Camaros and Mustangs that eat them alive and hardly burp.

At the track I go to, it's about half and half import and domestic and neither side is really a lot faster. With the Honda tuning scene so damn big now, it's not that hard and expensive to build a 13 second integra/civic any more.

Last time I went, this Integra ran with a Viper, both ran low 13s. It probably helps that I live in socal, where the import scene started. Plus all the slow cars seem to stay away.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Rent

There are lots of "fixed up" Civics and Integras down here as well. I've seen maybe 2 or 3 of them capable or running a low 14 at the track. It also depends on the driver as well. Most of the 350z owners I know aren't willing to beat on their cars and hardly know how to drive them.

For every 13 second Civic or Integra out there, there are just as many Camaros and Mustangs that eat them alive and hardly burp.

At the track I go to, it's about half and half import and domestic and neither side is really a lot faster. With the Honda tuning scene so damn big now, it's not that hard and expensive to build a 13 second integra/civic any more.

Last time I went, this Integra ran with a Viper, both ran low 13s. It probably helps that I live in socal, where the import scene started. Plus all the slow cars seem to stay away.

All the slow ones are at the street races... ...the ones around San Fernando at least... thats like poser galore.

Anyway... i still find it odd seeing FWD cars dragging... it looks somewhat funny.

 

[Rent]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Rent There are lots of "fixed up" Civics and Integras down here as well. I've seen maybe 2 or 3 of them capable or running a low 14 at the track. It also depends on the driver as well. Most of the 350z owners I know aren't willing to beat on their cars and hardly know how to drive them. For every 13 second Civic or Integra out there, there are just as many Camaros and Mustangs that eat them alive and hardly burp.

At the track I go to, it's about half and half import and domestic and neither side is really a lot faster. With the Honda tuning scene so damn big now, it's not that hard and expensive to build a 13 second integra/civic any more. Last time I went, this Integra ran with a Viper, both ran low 13s. It probably helps that I live in socal, where the import scene started. Plus all the slow cars seem to stay away.

The majority of imports don't run 13s without some medium/heavy modifications. And getting a Civic/Integra/ect to run low 13s in not an easy, or cheap task to complete.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: boyRacer

All the slow ones are at the street races... ...the ones around San Fernando at least... thats like poser galore.

Anyway... i still find it odd seeing FWD cars dragging... it looks somewhat funny.

lol, hahahaha, so true.

I've actually ran my car at both the track and the street races and the difference is amazing. I have a stock, automatic corolla. It ran a 17.3@79. It was seriously like the top ten slowest cars at the track.

But at the street races, totally different story. I've burned so many slammed hondas, ford focus/escort, trucks, etc.

The thing is, this track is hot when the street legal programs run (80-90+ deg) and it's 1200 ft above sea level. I keep seeing this 10 sec civic at the track and I wonder what it would run at 70 deg sea level.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Rent

The majority of imports don't run 13s without some medium/heavy modifications. And getting a Civic/Integra/ect to run low 13s in not an easy, or cheap task to complete.

Well, of course it takes mods but it's still very doable. Making any car break 13s is almost always not cheap. Either you need a car that was expensive to begin with or it takes a lot of parts and work.

junky early 90s civic hb (2-3k) + h22 powertrain (3k) + nitrous/slicks (1k) = 13 sec civic, for ~6-7k if you're willing to do the work yourself.

 

[Bullhonkie]

Originally posted by: Whisper
The STi makes me seriously consider dropping out of college to find a full-time job that could support a new car loan.

Good lord, I want that thing...

Do it! You'll love it. You might not love it a few years down the road though when the car isn't worth as much and you're still sitting without a degree. But hey you'll have had a couple years of adrenaline pumping fun, right?

Originally posted by: psteng19
Wait, so these cars are only good for low 14's in the 1/4 and high 5's to 60?
I thought they could hit low 13's and were Nissan Z killers for cheaper?

Edmunds doesn't launch cars very hard or anything. They seem to just lift off and then mash the gas, as opposed to some of the magazines out there that nearly drop the clutch from 4-5k RPM. It works well for some types of cars, but with turbo AWD vehicles it's disastrous. I think they managed 6.6 or 6.8 sec 0-60 for the WRX originally, more than a full second behind C&D's 5.4 sec clutch smoking technique heh.

Evo and STi owners have already been running low 13s stock though, so it's definitely possible. Mastering the launch is the trickiest part of it. Without a good 'slingshot' launch (basically the only advantage of AWD in a straight line race) you're screwed because you can't make up the time at the 'fast' end of the track like other cars because of the parasitic nature of an AWD drivetrain.

 

[funks]

Originally posted by: Bullhonkie

Originally posted by: Whisper
The STi makes me seriously consider dropping out of college to find a full-time job that could support a new car loan.

Now, dodge just needs to bust out an SRT-4 with AWD for around 22-23K (hopefully, they'll steal the EVOs AWD setup considering dodge has done this before - mitsubishi and dodge has a thing going)..

The engine kicks (around 225-240 WHP stock - it's underated) butt, it's IRON block - boosting it up some more wouldn't be a problem..

The SRT-4 would probably be able to kick both cars in a rolling start (it's FWD), and it's much lighter to boot..

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Bullhonkie

Originally posted by: Whisper
The STi makes me seriously consider dropping out of college to find a full-time job that could support a new car loan.

Good lord, I want that thing...

Do it! You'll love it. You might not love it a few years down the road though when the car isn't worth as much and you're still sitting without a degree. But hey you'll have had a couple years of adrenaline pumping fun, right?

Originally posted by: psteng19
Wait, so these cars are only good for low 14's in the 1/4 and high 5's to 60?
I thought they could hit low 13's and were Nissan Z killers for cheaper?

Edmunds doesn't launch cars very hard or anything. They seem to just lift off and then mash the gas, as opposed to some of the magazines out there that nearly drop the clutch from 4-5k RPM. It works well for some types of cars, but with turbo AWD vehicles it's disastrous. I think they managed 6.6 or 6.8 sec 0-60 for the WRX originally, more than a full second behind C&D's 5.4 sec clutch smoking technique heh.

Evo and STi owners have already been running low 13s stock though, so it's definitely possible. Mastering the launch is the trickiest part of it. Without a good 'slingshot' launch (basically the only advantage of AWD in a straight line race) you're screwed because you can't make up the time at the 'fast' end of the track like other cars because of the parasitic nature of an AWD drivetrain.

I was hoping you'd see this thread.

 

[Bullhonkie]

Originally posted by: Eli


I was hoping you'd see this thread.

Haha hey Eli. I'm usually more of a lurker than anything really, but I couldn't help it this time.

Lot of respect for the Evo though, it's a sweet car in its own right. One of my 'dream cars' was an Evo VI RS, back before Subaru brought the 2.5RS over here.

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: psteng19
Wait, so these cars are only good for low 14's in the 1/4 and high 5's to 60?
I thought they could hit low 13's and were Nissan Z killers for cheaper?

You can't compare cherry picked magazine numbers for the Z against low numbers for these two cars.

I've seen a couple stock 350Zs at the track and they weren't that fast. For every one Z I see at the track, I see a dozen fixed up civics and integras that can smoke them.

Uhmm... I never even mentioned numbers for the Z. I know for the most part, stock Z's run low 14's with good drivers and high 13's with VERY good drivers and conditions.

I've also seen projected low 13's for the STi and Evo so I was just a little baffled by the numbers from Edmunds.

There's a lot of posts on other forums on why people are picking the Evo or Sti over the Z, because they're quicker at a similar or lower price.
I personally think the Z is slower in actuality than the numbers (hp, weight, etc) suggest.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: MrBond

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello
Another victory for the Evo. But I'd take the Subu anyday over the Mitsh!tsibi

I *think* MotorTrend gave the STI a slight edge when they did a head on head comparison. I toss my backissues so I can't confirm that. Checking their website now...

Edit: ok, so maybe motor trend didn't do a head to head comparison of those two.

It was C & D that did the comparison.

 

[Imported]

With $4k, you can have an Evo running cricles tons of cars..

I think Sport Compact Car did a test of a stock Evo, a Vishnu equipped Evo (I think they said $4k in mods), a M3, and a Porsche 4S or something.. the Vishnu one beat out each one..

Autoweek Story on the Vishnu Evo

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: N8Magic

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
On Top Gear it's the 2nd fastest car they've ever tested on their track (The Evo). Beating out their Ferraris and Lambos

YOW

The Zonda I want to say is #1

It's 3rd now.

1. Pagani Zonda
2. Koenigsegg CC
3. Mitsu Lancer Evo VII

Ummm...Why isn't the McLaren or Enzo number 1 and 2?? WTF track is this?

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: N8Magic

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
On Top Gear it's the 2nd fastest car they've ever tested on their track (The Evo). Beating out their Ferraris and Lambos

YOW

The Zonda I want to say is #1

It's 3rd now.

1. Pagani Zonda
2. Koenigsegg CC
3. Mitsu Lancer Evo VII

Ummm...Why isn't the McLaren or Enzo number 1 and 2?? WTF track is this?

Whatever their test track is. Lots of corners/barricades/etc to navigate.