Mitotropin

[Megatomic]

I'm not a bodybuilder but I am trying to get lean. I came across Mitotropin in a fitness magazine last night and it seems interesting. I googled it and didn't see enough info to sway me to buy or not buy it.

1. Does anyone here take it?

2. Would this work as a general fat burner (i.e. for a non-bodybuilder)?

Thanks for the info.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
I'm not a bodybuilder but I am trying to get lean. I came across Mitotropin in a fitness magazine last night and it seems interesting. I googled it and didn't see enough info to sway me to buy or not buy it.

1. Does anyone here take it?

2. Would this work as a general fat burner (i.e. for a non-bodybuilder)?

Thanks for the info.

Sigh... This is where the pro-supps vs anti-supps people collide. You don't need a fat burner. All any fat burner really entails is a stimulant. You know what you can do that does the same thing? Be patient or decrease your calories. Burning fat for average people almost always happens in the 1-1.5 pound range per week. Taking a stimulant will just stress your system more, screw with your brain and metabolism in the process, and will force you to lose at a rate that is perhaps not the healthiest. Especially as a triathlete, I would do things 100% natural. Stimulants can screw with energy levels on longer events, etc.

 

[Megatomic]

I'm having a hard time balancing my calories in against my activity level such that I burn that last bit of the spare tire off. I am literally ravenous all day long every day. I think what happens is that I am so hungry that I eat too fast and thus too much. I do the 6 small meals per day thing, but I'm sure at least two of the smalls (afternoon snack and supper) are probably more like mediums.

What sucks is that my method worked when I had lots of fat to lose, but now that I'm down to the last 2 or 3% I'm going to have to come up with a new plan.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
I'm having a hard time balancing my calories in against my activity level such that I burn that last bit of the spare tire off. I am literally ravenous all day long every day. I think what happens is that I am so hungry that I eat too fast and thus too much. I do the 6 small meals per day thing, but I'm sure at least two of the smalls (afternoon snack and supper) are probably more like mediums.

What sucks is that my method worked when I had lots of fat to lose, but now that I'm down to the last 2 or 3% I'm going to have to come up with a new plan.

You don't have to come up with a new plan. You need to improve your current one. Slow down your eating. Modify what you eat. Eat more fats and more fibrous veggies for your carbs. If you have fats and veggies at every small meal, you will be able to decrease you calories without feeling hungry at all. I guarantee it.

 

[Megatomic]

I already eat loads and loads of fruits and veggies, all day long and every meal. As far as fats, I eat cheese and that'd be about it. I thought I was being pretty smart about my carbs, no refined flour products and very few starches. Corn is a weakness of mine, I don't want to cut it out completely. But potatoes and white rice have been off the menu for 3 years now.

And I know I need to NOT wolf down my food, it's just so hard to be slow about it when I feel like I am starving to death. I think my blood sugar is too low, the wellness nurse at work told me I may be experiencing sports induced diabetes. I suppose the extra fats would help in that regard huh?

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
I already eat loads and loads of fruits and veggies, all day long and every meal. As far as fats, I eat cheese and that'd be about it. I thought I was being pretty smart about my carbs, no refined flour products and very few starches. Corn is a weakness of mine, I don't want to cut it out completely. But potatoes and white rice have been off the menu for 3 years now.

And I know I need to NOT wolf down my food, it's just so hard to be slow about it when I feel like I am starving to death. I think my blood sugar is too low, the wellness nurse at work told me I may be experiencing sports induced diabetes. I suppose the extra fats would help in that regard huh?

I don't know how you've done the diet without a fairly high level of fat. I cut for a whole week without any fibrous fruits and veggies (couldn't get to the store). All I had to do was keep my fat intake high and I was 100% fine. It's a really important part of cutting. Up your fats - olive oil, butter, coconut oil, seeds, nuts, etc.

 

[crt1530]

Protein and fat are much better for long term energy and satiation than carbohydrates.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: crt1530
Protein and fat are much better for long term energy and satiation than carbohydrates.

This works for most people, but I run 30 to 40 miles per week and when the weather is warm I'll be biking about 120 miles also (if not more). Carbs are mandatory or bonking will occur. Been there, done that.

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged
I don't know how you've done the diet without a fairly high level of fat. I cut for a whole week without any fibrous fruits and veggies (couldn't get to the store). All I had to do was keep my fat intake high and I was 100% fine. It's a really important part of cutting. Up your fats - olive oil, butter, coconut oil, seeds, nuts, etc.

Doh, I forgot a large part of my diet SC. I eat natural peanut butter every day. Probably 4 tablespoons worth over the course of the day. I also use whey protein powder after strength sessions.

Which reminds me: I was doing 3 or 4 sessions of strength per week and using the whey protein. I thought my routine would allow me to maintain my bulk, but I was getting enough work and protein where I was actually growing. My chest went up 1 inch and my arms went up half an inch while my waist went down by 1 inch. Too bad the love handles stayed the same. So, I cut my sessions down to 2 per week and I still use the whey protein powder. Will I be able to maintain the muscle mass I have?

My workout is this:

4 circuits of -

10 pull ups
30 perfect pushups
12 cross crunches on swiss ball
12 reverse crunches on swiss ball
12 weighted back extensions on swiss ball
15 dips
7 weighted static lunges

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
I'm having a hard time balancing my calories in against my activity level such that I burn that last bit of the spare tire off. I am literally ravenous all day long every day. I think what happens is that I am so hungry that I eat too fast and thus too much. I do the 6 small meals per day thing, but I'm sure at least two of the smalls (afternoon snack and supper) are probably more like mediums.

What sucks is that my method worked when I had lots of fat to lose, but now that I'm down to the last 2 or 3% I'm going to have to come up with a new plan.

It's hard. I've found that when doing a lot of cardio losing weight really takes an extra bit of effort. I think the perfect amount is 30-60 minutes/day (because some cardio really is ideal, of course), often varied (like a run and swim or bike ride). Doing a lot of stuff, like a two hour run, and it's gang-fuggin-busters all day long eating like your life depends on it. This is why I gained fat while marathon training. I was so obscenely crazy hungry all the time.

I've not done as much cardio as you at my peak, but when I got extremely lean and was doing a lot of strong cardio but also weights I found that despite losing most of my fat I was able to keep the upper body muscle mass.

If you have lost a ton of weight it may be impossible to lose that spare tire completely without a surgeon's knife.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's hard. I've found that when doing a lot of cardio losing weight really takes an extra bit of effort. I think the perfect amount is 30-60 minutes/day (because some cardio really is ideal, of course), often varied (like a run and swim or bike ride). Doing a lot of stuff, like a two hour run, and it's gang-fuggin-busters all day long eating like your life depends on it. This is why I gained fat while marathon training. I was so obscenely crazy hungry all the time.

I've not done as much cardio as you at my peak, but when I got extremely lean and was doing a lot of strong cardio but also weights I found that despite losing most of my fat I was able to keep the upper body muscle mass.

Ahh, someone who understands. I haven't put on any fat weight, at least none that I nor my bioimpedence scale can see, but I am not losing much/any fat either.

The voracious appetite sucks doesn't it?

If you have lost a ton of weight it may be impossible to lose that spare tire completely without a surgeon's knife.

This is my fear. In 2005 I weighed in at 280 pounds (only 5'10.5"). Most of the skin has tightened up, but the love handles refuse to go.