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Mitch & Company want to raise Gas Taxes

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What don't you understand here? Higher gas prices make EV's and hybrids more attractive to purchase. The high gas tax is one reason we have so many EV's here. That and the tax credit, both of which in effect make the EV less expensive relative to gas powered alternatives.

Yeah you are missing the point. I think a higher gas tax is great if your goal is to increase the amount of EV’s on the road however that’s not why we have taxes on gas. Taxes on gas are specifically to pay for road maintenance/infrastructure hence the reason why the GOP wants to raise the tax. If California or any state for that matter has an increase in the percentage of EV’s on the road that will mean less tax revenue coming in for road maintenance/infrastructure work.

The GOP’s proposal is yet another shitty economic policy that is woefully shortsighted and will once again not only not accomplish its goal but it will also hit poor people the hardest.
 
Gas has gone up from 2.10 a gallon to 3.15 a gallon (50%)since Biden became president ,now they want to raise gas taxes too?
Ridiculous!
While gas prices did indeed increase, it has nothing to do with Biden.The president doesn't unilaterally control the price of gas.

we had this whole thing called a pandemic, and demand dropped, so prices did. Demand spiked back up, so prices rose accordingly.
and there was the extreme winter shutdown in Texas which exacerbated conditions even more
 
While gas prices did indeed increase, it has nothing to do with Biden.The president doesn't unilaterally control the price of gas.

we had this whole thing called a pandemic, and demand dropped, so prices did. Demand spiked back up, so prices rose accordingly.
and there was the extreme winter shutdown in Texas which exacerbated conditions even more
How dare you put blame on Republican state! Specially Texas who has the best power grid in the nation and is fully prepared for all weather conditions... What where you thinking? 😉
 
No, the topic is Mitch and friends want to raise the gas tax to fund the infostructure costs. It doesn't matter if you have 100 gas powered cars or 100 EV doing the damage. Your argument is not relevant to it.

Any effect of the proposed tax is relevant to the discussion. The notion that because the purpose of it is to fund infrastructure that the environmental impact is not relevant is a crock of shit.

Infact, your whole argument goes against the proposed gas tax because the more EV purchased the less Revenue brought in to fund the infostructure... Which means those EV won't have the infostructure to drive on. So for the purpose of the proposed gas tax, I would have to say, you are against it.

No, I'm for it for so long as we have significant numbers of gas powered vehicles on the road, which we currently do. When EV's become a more significant part, we'll find a new way to fund infrastructure.
 
No, the topic is Mitch and friends want to raise the gas tax to fund the infostructure costs. It doesn't matter if you have 100 gas powered cars or 100 EV doing the damage. Your argument is not relevant to it.


Infact, your whole argument goes against the proposed gas tax because the more EV purchased the less Revenue brought in to fund the infostructure... Which means those EV won't have the infostructure to drive on. So for the purpose of the proposed gas tax, I would have to say, you are against it.
The effect of increasing gas taxes on reducing fuel usage and emissions is most certainly relevant. You just refuse to accept it because you are so obsessed with the price of gas. And again, for those of you upset with gas prices, they are still only back to historical levels, and much, much cheaper than European nations pay.
 
The effect of increasing gas taxes on reducing fuel usage and emissions is most certainly relevant. You just refuse to accept it because you are so obsessed with the price of gas. And again, for those of you upset with gas prices, they are still only back to historical levels, and much, much cheaper than European nations pay.

I’m not obsessed with gas prices, I just like good public policy and it seems really shortsighted to push EV’s and not have a plan to pay for infrastructure, again, that’s what the purpose of the gas tax was originally intended for.
 
I’m not obsessed with gas prices, I just like good public policy and it seems really shortsighted to push EV’s and not have a plan to pay for infrastructure, again, that’s what the purpose of the gas tax was originally intended for.
I am not "pushing" EVs per se, but rather a decrease in use of fossil fuels and corresponding CO2 emissions, both through more efficient ICE vehicles, and eventually a shift toward EVs. In the current environment, I actually am not a particular fan of EVs. We need better charging infrastructure and cheaper EVs to make them a practical alternative for mainstream use. However, I strongly believe we need to discourage the shift to less efficient ICE vehicles than needed.
 
I am not "pushing" EVs per se, but rather a decrease in use of fossil fuels and corresponding CO2 emissions, both through more efficient ICE vehicles, and eventually a shift toward EVs. In the current environment, I actually am not a particular fan of EVs. We need better charging infrastructure and cheaper EVs to make them a practical alternative for mainstream use. However, I strongly believe we need to discourage the shift to less efficient ICE vehicles than needed.

While that’s all true and I agree with you, raising the gas tax is the wrong way to go about that. Mandating higher fuel efficiency and high standards for pollution at the federal level is the way to do it. The government can and has forced change a lot quicker than the free market. Hell, the federal government should be working on a plan with all states to reconfigure our vehicular infrastructure, including being able to accommodate new fuel sources including electricity. Expecting a raise in gas prices to accomplish that is a fools-errand.

But all of this talk is useless unless we can figure out how to get the federal government working again.
 
While that’s all true and I agree with you, raising the gas tax is the wrong way to go about that. Mandating higher fuel efficiency and high standards for pollution at the federal level is the way to do it. The government can and has forced change a lot quicker than the free market. Hell, the federal government should be working on a plan with all states to reconfigure our vehicular infrastructure, including being able to accommodate new fuel sources including electricity. Expecting a raise in gas prices to accomplish that is a fools-errand.

But all of this talk is useless unless we can figure out how to get the federal government working again.
Those are useful measures as well, but they have already been pushed to fairly restrictive levels (not sure how much they were pushed back, if at all, under Trump), while the gas tax has not been raised for decades. And if one is concerned about disproportionate effect on lower income people, strict emission and fuel economy standards raise prices, which again has a larger impact on lower economic groups.
 
Those are useful measures as well, but they have already been pushed to fairly restrictive levels (not sure how much they were pushed back, if at all, under Trump), while the gas tax has not been raised for decades. And if one is concerned about disproportionate effect on lower income people, strict emission and fuel economy standards raise prices, which again has a larger impact on lower economic groups.

You’ll have to explain to me how a more efficient car has a larger impact on lower economic groups than raising the tax on gas and why that would cause prices to rise. At worst, poorer people will continue to use their existing cars and at best, their next car will be more fuel efficient and cost less to operate. More fuel efficient cars means less demand for gas which means (in theory) lower gas prices.
 
Any effect of the proposed tax is relevant to the discussion. The notion that because the purpose of it is to fund infrastructure that the environmental impact is not relevant is a crock of shit.



No, I'm for it for so long as we have significant numbers of gas powered vehicles on the road, which we currently do. When EV's become a more significant part, we'll find a new way to fund infrastructure.

How is it relevant to the Mitch wanting to raise the gas tax to fund infrastructure? Is purchasing EV going to fund the roads they drive on?

We will find a way to fund infrastructure is a shallow response to the topic , and if that was the case, our infrastructure wouldn't be crumbling and falling apart like it has for decades, because we are where we are now because our government hasn't found a way to fund it. You have only mentioned the environment side as an effect of raising the gas tax. What about the more serious effect that it puts on the lower and middle class people who can't afford EV? What do you think it will do to the economy if people can't get to work because of the cost of fuel, or in states that get stricter and stricter, forcing EV when people can't afford them? How about you stop being stuck on the EV aspect and at least add some relevancy to the actual topic of the purpose of raising the gas tax for infrastructure rather than dancing around it. (read below as well please).


The effect of increasing gas taxes on reducing fuel usage and emissions is most certainly relevant. You just refuse to accept it because you are so obsessed with the price of gas. And again, for those of you upset with gas prices, they are still only back to historical levels, and much, much cheaper than European nations pay.
I am not concerned with gas prices, as I can afford them, but there are Millions of families who can't, who also can't afford EV, who can barely afford 10 year old beaters, yet lets just make things worse on them without an affordable solution in place for them. All while our infrastructure is crumbling without a long term solution, or even a fair and amical current solution (we have neither, and haven't for decades). Electric Vehicles plays no part in that solution, in fact Electric Vehicles are a source of damage to our infrastructure while pays virtually nothing towards the upkeep of the roads they drive on, short of a hand full of states that have implemented some basic tax/fee on EV, which people complain about. Paying by the mile isn't an amical or fair solution unless it's tied to weight as well. Because a 2 ton truck does a hell of a lot more damage than a 1 ton car.

Either way, I am all for our environment, bringing down emissions, etc, but it's not what this topic is about when it comes to the increase being proposed for the gas tax.

I already answered you about your Bullshit on European nations (see post #57 where I already responded to you about that).
 
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Wife and I were just remember 2007ish when gas in MA was almost $4 per gallon. I'll take $2.75, we all knew supply/demand would mean prices increased after the pandemic lockdown's subsided.
 
Wife and I were just remember 2007ish when gas in MA was almost $4 per gallon. I'll take $2.75, we all knew supply/demand would mean prices increased after the pandemic lockdown's subsided.
wait until people's car insurance premiums start going up again.. I can hear them bitching now!
 
Gas has gone up from 2.10 a gallon to 3.15 a gallon (50%)since Biden became president ,now they want to raise gas taxes too?
Ridiculous!
Did you even read the fucking thread title? Mitch & Company ..." do you even have a fucking clue that Moscow Mitch is a fucking republican that opposes every fucking thing than a non-orange toddler POTUS wants?

The fucking country has re-opened because we now have something besides a tempestuous toddler in charge that thinks wind turbines cause cancer.

OBTW, did you send your "stimulus money" back to the government?
 
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What don't you understand here? Higher gas prices make EV's and hybrids more attractive to purchase. The high gas tax is one reason we have so many EV's here. That and the tax credit, both of which in effect make the EV less expensive relative to gas powered alternatives.
States are going to get their "road tax" revenue somehow. The method is still being worked out. Some states want to base it on mileage readings from annual vehicle/safety inspections to tracking your ass via GPS through OnStar and similar.
 
States are going to get their "road tax" revenue somehow. The method is still being worked out. Some states want to base it on mileage readings from annual vehicle/safety inspections to tracking your ass via GPS through OnStar and similar.
Do you have an links for those claims? I haven't heard any of them. Seems as if it would be difficult since some states dont have inspections.
 
Do you have an links for those claims? I haven't heard any of them. Seems as if it would be difficult since some states dont have inspections.
Not handy. My state (NC) wanted to add it as part of our mandatory annual inspection, and we would be billed when we renewed our tag based on that years' mileage. It failed only because there was no way to prove all of that mileage was within the state. Washington or Oregon state wanted to implement a GPS based mileage fee, and that also failed to pass. At least with GPS they could differentiate between in state and out of state mileage.

With more EVs, it's coming, the states just have to figure out the mechanism. Most states already have a surcharge on vehicle registration for EVs and Hybrids.

 
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