Mistake costs dishwasher $59,000

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
I wonder if people who avoid taxes by buying over the internets should be deported as well 🙂

Actually you are required to report that lack of taxation in some states 😛 I live in NC and I had to report it.. but it came out to a measly few dollars so it wasn't a big deal. They have a formula that you follow to figure out the taxes and the amount is not even close to what the real taxes would be.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
The guy managed to live on $5/hr AND save up $60k? 😕
Working 10 hours/day, six days a week that's (pre-tax of course) $15,600/year. Even assuming he got free meals at the restaurant and lived like a monk, how does a guy like that save up $60k?

Do the math. $59,000 saved up over 11 years is roughly $5500 per year. So that means the guy was able to live on a little over $10k a year? No way.

Florida is VERY cheap. I lived on far less than that when I went to college in Orlando.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Tax the money and use it to pay off any fines that might be levied. Then give him back what's left. And then deport him.

:thumbsup:

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: StormRider
Geez, you guys have no compassion at all.

Yes, technically the guy came here "illegally" -- so you want to treat him like a criminal.

Yes.

 

[Fern]

So much for "but they pay taxes" line crap so common around here.

But don't keep all his money. Take out the back taxes and interest (I'd waive penalties) and deport him.

Then go after the employer for their of SS taxes (interest & penalties for them).

Fern

 

[tomywishbone]

Saw & heard the guy on CNN today. WTF, he's been here 11 years and he speaks zero english. None. How is that possible?

Give him his bread and tell him not to come back.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Saw & heard the guy on CNN today. WTF, he's been here 11 years and he speaks zero english. None. How is that possible?

That the result of their common refusal to assimilate themselves into American culture.

The majority of illegals are here for one fvcking thing: tax-free money. period.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Saw & heard the guy on CNN today. WTF, he's been here 11 years and he speaks zero english. None. How is that possible?

That the result of their common refusal to assimilate themselves into American culture.

The majority of illegals are here for one fvcking thing: tax-free money. period.

Aside from not learning the English language... who cares if they assimilate? Do you think they come to America for the culture?

 

[MadRat]

Give the man his money to spend here. That $19000 is fair in a relative way. If he'd used Western Union none of this discussion would of taken place. Think of how much moeny is wired south of the border and nobody ever knows how much.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Levy fines on the taxes he didn't pay, plus have him pay those taxes (which won't be much at $5.15 / hr), and give the rest back and send him home. That is what would happen to a citizen working under the table. How often do you see the IRS going after under the table dishwashers?

 

[imported_Tango]

Did he declare the money was earned in the US?

He could just claim he made that money working as an investment banker in Dubai and nobody could argue anything.

Deport him if you want, cause he's an illegal immigrant. But don't touch his money.

And how about the "deal"?

Robert Gershman, one of Zapeta's attorneys, said federal prosecutors later offered his client a deal: He could take $10,000 of the original cash seized, plus $9,000 in donations as long as he didn't talk publicly and left the country immediately.

Nice. As long as he didn't talk publicly about it, uh...

 

[bctbct]

We need this money, this will fund 2 seconds in Iraq


give his money back

 

[1EZduzit]

The problem with giving him ALL of his money is that is rewarding him from thumbing his nose at us. If we truly want to discourage illegals then we can't do that.

I read another, older article about him that quoted the man as saying he was going back to Guatamala to start his won business with the money. You people have to stop and think he is going back to a country where people only earn something like $2400 US a year. He could get in the neighborhood of $3000/year just of the interest.

Since he is an illegal and deals in cash we don't know anything about him, except what he says and we can't even believe that. He might have been a thief or drug dealer too and already has a bunch of money wired back home. For all we know he wanted some cash for a drug buy?

I say give him 11 years wages of what he would have ewarned in his home country and export him. Even that is too generous and will encourage more illegals, but it's as far as I'm willing to go. I think he should have taken the $19,000 and split but he wants/wxpects us to cave in to what HE THINKS his rights are. If your here illegally then as far as I'm concerned the only "right" you really have is to be exported.

 

[BoomerD]

Keep ALL his money...as illegally earned money. THEN, fine him for being here illegally, and tax him for the services he has received during his 11 years in this country. Things like police and fire protection (whether he used it or not) city/state/federal roadways, all the plethora of services our tax dollars pay for that are just part of life in the USA...Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way? Could drug dealers use Western Union to send their ill-gotten gains out?
If the gov't started doing things like this to every illegal, pretty soon, it'd be less attractive for them to come to this country...

IMO, the NEXT thing that needs to be done is to go after the employers. Hit them with a $250,000 fine for every illegal in their employ...hell, hit them for $250K for every illegal for every day they hire them...eliminate the jobs for the illegals, and they'll stop coming...(yes, this includes Joe Homeowner who hires "casual day laborers" at the Home Depot or where ever...

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Keep ALL his money...as illegally earned money. THEN, fine him for being here illegally, and tax him for the services he has received during his 11 years in this country. Things like police and fire protection (whether he used it or not) city/state/federal roadways, all the plethora of services our tax dollars pay for that are just part of life in the USA...Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way? Could drug dealers use Western Union to send their ill-gotten gains out?
If the gov't started doing things like this to every illegal, pretty soon, it'd be less attractive for them to come to this country...

IMO, the NEXT thing that needs to be done is to go after the employers. Hit them with a $250,000 fine for every illegal in their employ...hell, hit them for $250K for every illegal for every day they hire them...eliminate the jobs for the illegals, and they'll stop coming...(yes, this includes Joe Homeowner who hires "casual day laborers" at the Home Depot or where ever...

Why on earth do you think remittances are illegal?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Keep ALL his money...as illegally earned money. THEN, fine him for being here illegally, and tax him for the services he has received during his 11 years in this country. Things like police and fire protection (whether he used it or not) city/state/federal roadways, all the plethora of services our tax dollars pay for that are just part of life in the USA...Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way? Could drug dealers use Western Union to send their ill-gotten gains out?
If the gov't started doing things like this to every illegal, pretty soon, it'd be less attractive for them to come to this country...

IMO, the NEXT thing that needs to be done is to go after the employers. Hit them with a $250,000 fine for every illegal in their employ...hell, hit them for $250K for every illegal for every day they hire them...eliminate the jobs for the illegals, and they'll stop coming...(yes, this includes Joe Homeowner who hires "casual day laborers" at the Home Depot or where ever...

Why on earth do you think remittances are illegal?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, now is it.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Keep ALL his money...as illegally earned money. THEN, fine him for being here illegally, and tax him for the services he has received during his 11 years in this country. Things like police and fire protection (whether he used it or not) city/state/federal roadways, all the plethora of services our tax dollars pay for that are just part of life in the USA...Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way? Could drug dealers use Western Union to send their ill-gotten gains out?
If the gov't started doing things like this to every illegal, pretty soon, it'd be less attractive for them to come to this country...

IMO, the NEXT thing that needs to be done is to go after the employers. Hit them with a $250,000 fine for every illegal in their employ...hell, hit them for $250K for every illegal for every day they hire them...eliminate the jobs for the illegals, and they'll stop coming...(yes, this includes Joe Homeowner who hires "casual day laborers" at the Home Depot or where ever...

Why on earth do you think remittances are illegal?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, now is it.

You can send up to 10.000 dollars without declaring it. I hardly believe most immigrants sending money home do it tranches larger than 10k.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Keep ALL his money...as illegally earned money. THEN, fine him for being here illegally, and tax him for the services he has received during his 11 years in this country. Things like police and fire protection (whether he used it or not) city/state/federal roadways, all the plethora of services our tax dollars pay for that are just part of life in the USA...Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way? Could drug dealers use Western Union to send their ill-gotten gains out?
If the gov't started doing things like this to every illegal, pretty soon, it'd be less attractive for them to come to this country...

IMO, the NEXT thing that needs to be done is to go after the employers. Hit them with a $250,000 fine for every illegal in their employ...hell, hit them for $250K for every illegal for every day they hire them...eliminate the jobs for the illegals, and they'll stop coming...(yes, this includes Joe Homeowner who hires "casual day laborers" at the Home Depot or where ever...

Why on earth do you think remittances are illegal?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, now is it.

You can send up to 10.000 dollars without declaring it. I hardly believe most immigrants sending money home do it tranches larger than 10k.

$59,000 /= $10,000

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Keep ALL his money...as illegally earned money. THEN, fine him for being here illegally, and tax him for the services he has received during his 11 years in this country. Things like police and fire protection (whether he used it or not) city/state/federal roadways, all the plethora of services our tax dollars pay for that are just part of life in the USA...Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way? Could drug dealers use Western Union to send their ill-gotten gains out?
If the gov't started doing things like this to every illegal, pretty soon, it'd be less attractive for them to come to this country...

IMO, the NEXT thing that needs to be done is to go after the employers. Hit them with a $250,000 fine for every illegal in their employ...hell, hit them for $250K for every illegal for every day they hire them...eliminate the jobs for the illegals, and they'll stop coming...(yes, this includes Joe Homeowner who hires "casual day laborers" at the Home Depot or where ever...

Why on earth do you think remittances are illegal?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, now is it.

You can send up to 10.000 dollars without declaring it. I hardly believe most immigrants sending money home do it tranches larger than 10k.

$59,000 /= $10,000

He was making a general statement about remittances, not talking about this case specifically.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Keep ALL his money...as illegally earned money. THEN, fine him for being here illegally, and tax him for the services he has received during his 11 years in this country. Things like police and fire protection (whether he used it or not) city/state/federal roadways, all the plethora of services our tax dollars pay for that are just part of life in the USA...Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way? Could drug dealers use Western Union to send their ill-gotten gains out?
If the gov't started doing things like this to every illegal, pretty soon, it'd be less attractive for them to come to this country...

IMO, the NEXT thing that needs to be done is to go after the employers. Hit them with a $250,000 fine for every illegal in their employ...hell, hit them for $250K for every illegal for every day they hire them...eliminate the jobs for the illegals, and they'll stop coming...(yes, this includes Joe Homeowner who hires "casual day laborers" at the Home Depot or where ever...

Why on earth do you think remittances are illegal?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, now is it.

You can send up to 10.000 dollars without declaring it. I hardly believe most immigrants sending money home do it tranches larger than 10k.

$59,000 /= $10,000

He was making a general statement about remittances, not talking about this case specifically.

That depends on how you interpret it. I agree with him though, if your here illegally then it should be illegal to send money out of the country and it should be stopped ASAP. Things are changing. Just because people in California or Florida are willing to put up with illegals doesn't mean the rest of us are, particularly since it has gotten so out of hand.

Too bad, so sad for the illegals, but the "gig" is about up.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Keep ALL his money...as illegally earned money. THEN, fine him for being here illegally, and tax him for the services he has received during his 11 years in this country. Things like police and fire protection (whether he used it or not) city/state/federal roadways, all the plethora of services our tax dollars pay for that are just part of life in the USA...Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way? Could drug dealers use Western Union to send their ill-gotten gains out?
If the gov't started doing things like this to every illegal, pretty soon, it'd be less attractive for them to come to this country...

IMO, the NEXT thing that needs to be done is to go after the employers. Hit them with a $250,000 fine for every illegal in their employ...hell, hit them for $250K for every illegal for every day they hire them...eliminate the jobs for the illegals, and they'll stop coming...(yes, this includes Joe Homeowner who hires "casual day laborers" at the Home Depot or where ever...

Why on earth do you think remittances are illegal?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, now is it.

You can send up to 10.000 dollars without declaring it. I hardly believe most immigrants sending money home do it tranches larger than 10k.

$59,000 /= $10,000

He was making a general statement about remittances, not talking about this case specifically.

That depends on how you interpret it. I agree with him though, if your here illegally then it should be illegal to send money out of the country and it should be stopped ASAP. Things are changing. Just because people in California or Florida are willing to put up with illegals doesn't mean the rest of us are, particularly since it has gotten so out of hand.

Too bad, so sad for the illegals, but the "gig" is about up.

Oh well, I would say there isn't that much room for interpretation..

Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way?

The guy in question wasn't even trying to send his money away. He was walking away himself.

Sending money abroad must of course be legal. Your immigration status in a country has nothing ado with your right to send your money wherever you want it. One problem is immigration. Another problem is how people are allowed to dispose of their own assets. Being an illegal immigrant doesn't mean you loose all your individual rights. It only means you must be persecuted for that specific violations of immigration laws.

It's already a pain in the ass when you have to send or receive money in excess of 10.000$ because they inspect every operation for anti-terrorism purposes. Like Al-Queda didn't have anonymous swiss bank accounts...

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Keep ALL his money...as illegally earned money. THEN, fine him for being here illegally, and tax him for the services he has received during his 11 years in this country. Things like police and fire protection (whether he used it or not) city/state/federal roadways, all the plethora of services our tax dollars pay for that are just part of life in the USA...Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way? Could drug dealers use Western Union to send their ill-gotten gains out?
If the gov't started doing things like this to every illegal, pretty soon, it'd be less attractive for them to come to this country...

IMO, the NEXT thing that needs to be done is to go after the employers. Hit them with a $250,000 fine for every illegal in their employ...hell, hit them for $250K for every illegal for every day they hire them...eliminate the jobs for the illegals, and they'll stop coming...(yes, this includes Joe Homeowner who hires "casual day laborers" at the Home Depot or where ever...

Why on earth do you think remittances are illegal?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, now is it.

You can send up to 10.000 dollars without declaring it. I hardly believe most immigrants sending money home do it tranches larger than 10k.

$59,000 /= $10,000

He was making a general statement about remittances, not talking about this case specifically.

That depends on how you interpret it. I agree with him though, if your here illegally then it should be illegal to send money out of the country and it should be stopped ASAP. Things are changing. Just because people in California or Florida are willing to put up with illegals doesn't mean the rest of us are, particularly since it has gotten so out of hand.

Too bad, so sad for the illegals, but the "gig" is about up.

Oh well, I would say there isn't that much room for interpretation..

Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way?

The guy in question wasn't even trying to send his money away. He was walking away himself.

Sending money abroad must of course be legal. Your immigration status in a country has nothing ado with your right to send your money wherever you want it. One problem is immigration. Another problem is how people are allowed to dispose of their own assets. Being an illegal immigrant doesn't mean you loose all your individual rights. It only means you must be persecuted for that specific violations of immigration laws.

It's already a pain in the ass when you have to send or receive money in excess of 10.000$ because they inspect every operation for anti-terrorism purposes. Like Al-Queda didn't have anonymous swiss bank accounts...

The $10,000 limit has been around for years. It was instituted, IIRC, during the beginning of the war on drugs to fight money laundering.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: XMan

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Keep ALL his money...as illegally earned money. THEN, fine him for being here illegally, and tax him for the services he has received during his 11 years in this country. Things like police and fire protection (whether he used it or not) city/state/federal roadways, all the plethora of services our tax dollars pay for that are just part of life in the USA...Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way? Could drug dealers use Western Union to send their ill-gotten gains out?
If the gov't started doing things like this to every illegal, pretty soon, it'd be less attractive for them to come to this country...

IMO, the NEXT thing that needs to be done is to go after the employers. Hit them with a $250,000 fine for every illegal in their employ...hell, hit them for $250K for every illegal for every day they hire them...eliminate the jobs for the illegals, and they'll stop coming...(yes, this includes Joe Homeowner who hires "casual day laborers" at the Home Depot or where ever...

Why on earth do you think remittances are illegal?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, now is it.

You can send up to 10.000 dollars without declaring it. I hardly believe most immigrants sending money home do it tranches larger than 10k.

$59,000 /= $10,000

He was making a general statement about remittances, not talking about this case specifically.

That depends on how you interpret it. I agree with him though, if your here illegally then it should be illegal to send money out of the country and it should be stopped ASAP. Things are changing. Just because people in California or Florida are willing to put up with illegals doesn't mean the rest of us are, particularly since it has gotten so out of hand.

Too bad, so sad for the illegals, but the "gig" is about up.

Oh well, I would say there isn't that much room for interpretation..

Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way?

The guy in question wasn't even trying to send his money away. He was walking away himself.

Sending money abroad must of course be legal. Your immigration status in a country has nothing ado with your right to send your money wherever you want it. One problem is immigration. Another problem is how people are allowed to dispose of their own assets. Being an illegal immigrant doesn't mean you loose all your individual rights. It only means you must be persecuted for that specific violations of immigration laws.

It's already a pain in the ass when you have to send or receive money in excess of 10.000$ because they inspect every operation for anti-terrorism purposes. Like Al-Queda didn't have anonymous swiss bank accounts...

The $10,000 limit has been around for years. It was instituted, IIRC, during the beginning of the war on drugs to fight money laundering.

Yes, but after 9/11 it has become much more troublesome. I have a business with offices abroad and so I have quite a lot of money transfers, and in many occasions the bank explicitly told me it would take additional days to receive/send the money because the operation was inspected for anti-terrorism purposes.

I understand the rationale for this, but hell... there are books about money laundering schemes, all perfectly legal... what do you think fiscal paradises are for? Why do you think hedge funds have legal residence in Cayman or Liechtenstein?

Anyway, this is not really the problem. Fact is, this guy was not even trying to send money abroad, he was just walking away with his money, failing to report the amount. Fine him accordingly, and give the rest of his money back. Unless of course the fine for failing to declare the amount of money you are carrying is 100% the said amount (and I really doubt this).

The fact that he was illegally in this country has nothing ado with his right to have his assets back. Persecute him for his violation of immigration laws. But the fact he had money with him is completely unrelated to this.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Keep ALL his money...as illegally earned money. THEN, fine him for being here illegally, and tax him for the services he has received during his 11 years in this country. Things like police and fire protection (whether he used it or not) city/state/federal roadways, all the plethora of services our tax dollars pay for that are just part of life in the USA...Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way? Could drug dealers use Western Union to send their ill-gotten gains out?
If the gov't started doing things like this to every illegal, pretty soon, it'd be less attractive for them to come to this country...

IMO, the NEXT thing that needs to be done is to go after the employers. Hit them with a $250,000 fine for every illegal in their employ...hell, hit them for $250K for every illegal for every day they hire them...eliminate the jobs for the illegals, and they'll stop coming...(yes, this includes Joe Homeowner who hires "casual day laborers" at the Home Depot or where ever...

Why on earth do you think remittances are illegal?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, now is it.

You can send up to 10.000 dollars without declaring it. I hardly believe most immigrants sending money home do it tranches larger than 10k.

$59,000 /= $10,000

He was making a general statement about remittances, not talking about this case specifically.

That depends on how you interpret it. I agree with him though, if your here illegally then it should be illegal to send money out of the country and it should be stopped ASAP. Things are changing. Just because people in California or Florida are willing to put up with illegals doesn't mean the rest of us are, particularly since it has gotten so out of hand.

Too bad, so sad for the illegals, but the "gig" is about up.

Oh well, I would say there isn't that much room for interpretation..

Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way?

The guy in question wasn't even trying to send his money away. He was walking away himself.

Sending money abroad must of course be legal. Your immigration status in a country has nothing ado with your right to send your money wherever you want it. One problem is immigration. Another problem is how people are allowed to dispose of their own assets. Being an illegal immigrant doesn't mean you loose all your individual rights. It only means you must be persecuted for that specific violations of immigration laws.

It's already a pain in the ass when you have to send or receive money in excess of 10.000$ because they inspect every operation for anti-terrorism purposes. Like Al-Queda didn't have anonymous swiss bank accounts...

Being an illega immigrant means you don't have the same rights as a legal resident or legal immigrant. They know that coming in but are willing to do it to put up with it for their own personal reasons. In this guy's case he was going to go back and either retire or start his own business in Guatemala. The yearly interest off the $58,000 alone would have been considerably more then what he could earn working in Gutaemala.

He got caught and now people are crying about his "rights". What about the rights of the 12 million people who can't get a job? Who worries about them, not the illegals, that's for sure. What about the working poor who can't get a raise because they have to compete with someone who is here illegally. They don't have the same options this guy has to go start a bvusiness in Guatemala and they have to be able to retire someday. What about them?

If your here illegally then go home because it's going to get uglier before it gets better. You might want to wire your money out though.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: XMan

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Tango

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Keep ALL his money...as illegally earned money. THEN, fine him for being here illegally, and tax him for the services he has received during his 11 years in this country. Things like police and fire protection (whether he used it or not) city/state/federal roadways, all the plethora of services our tax dollars pay for that are just part of life in the USA...Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way? Could drug dealers use Western Union to send their ill-gotten gains out?
If the gov't started doing things like this to every illegal, pretty soon, it'd be less attractive for them to come to this country...

IMO, the NEXT thing that needs to be done is to go after the employers. Hit them with a $250,000 fine for every illegal in their employ...hell, hit them for $250K for every illegal for every day they hire them...eliminate the jobs for the illegals, and they'll stop coming...(yes, this includes Joe Homeowner who hires "casual day laborers" at the Home Depot or where ever...

Why on earth do you think remittances are illegal?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, now is it.

You can send up to 10.000 dollars without declaring it. I hardly believe most immigrants sending money home do it tranches larger than 10k.

$59,000 /= $10,000

He was making a general statement about remittances, not talking about this case specifically.

That depends on how you interpret it. I agree with him though, if your here illegally then it should be illegal to send money out of the country and it should be stopped ASAP. Things are changing. Just because people in California or Florida are willing to put up with illegals doesn't mean the rest of us are, particularly since it has gotten so out of hand.

Too bad, so sad for the illegals, but the "gig" is about up.

Oh well, I would say there isn't that much room for interpretation..

Then, eliminate the option of sending money to foriegn countries via Western Union...How much illegal cash is sent out of our borders that way?

The guy in question wasn't even trying to send his money away. He was walking away himself.

Sending money abroad must of course be legal. Your immigration status in a country has nothing ado with your right to send your money wherever you want it. One problem is immigration. Another problem is how people are allowed to dispose of their own assets. Being an illegal immigrant doesn't mean you loose all your individual rights. It only means you must be persecuted for that specific violations of immigration laws.

It's already a pain in the ass when you have to send or receive money in excess of 10.000$ because they inspect every operation for anti-terrorism purposes. Like Al-Queda didn't have anonymous swiss bank accounts...

The $10,000 limit has been around for years. It was instituted, IIRC, during the beginning of the war on drugs to fight money laundering.

Yes, but after 9/11 it has become much more troublesome. I have a business with offices abroad and so I have quite a lot of money transfers, and in many occasions the bank explicitly told me it would take additional days to receive/send the money because the operation was inspected for anti-terrorism purposes.

I understand the rationale for this, but hell... there are books about money laundering schemes, all perfectly legal... what do you think fiscal paradises are for? Why do you think hedge funds have legal residence in Cayman or Liechtenstein?

Anyway, this is not really the problem. Fact is, this guy was not even trying to send money abroad, he was just walking away with his money, failing to report the amount. Fine him accordingly, and give the rest of his money back. Unless of course the fine for failing to declare the amount of money you are carrying is 100% the said amount (and I really doubt this).

The fact that he was illegally in this country has nothing ado with his right to have his assets back. Persecute him for his violation of immigration laws. But the fact he had money with him is completely unrelated to this.

The law is the law. The money was taken bwecause it could have been illegally gained.... oh wait he's an illegal so it was all illegally gained. 😛