Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[Ackmed]

Found it.

Law enforcement target practice with images of young children.

Nice try. It is not "target practice", but what could be real scenario. You go into a room, or the target turns and you have a split second to make a decision. There are all kinds. White, black, hispanic, men, women, kids, hostage situations, etc. As proven, a kid with a gun can be a real scenario.

So again, good try. But you just look like an idiot with an agenda.

 

[Ackmed]

Just trying to make this the Michael Brown thread again... Seems everyone has already forgotten about Mike Brown now that he isn't useful to them anymore.

His mother and her boyfriend didn't give a shit about him until he was killed. He didn't live with them, he wasn't raised by them. Now all the sudden they care. It's pretty pathetic actually. Because they want the attention, and money. He wasn't useful to them when he was alive, only after his death.

 

[HumblePie]

Wow, this thread has been hijacked completely.

I was coming in here to post how an NPR piece I heard this morning was STILL talking about how "Michael Brown was shot with his hands raised in surrender" that has been proven forensically false. But still major parts of the media are running with that bullshit.

And the talk is focusing on two dumb police officers and a dumb kid? Look the cops driving in the way they did on a call of a "man with a gun" yet no one hurt or shot were acting like complete idiots. Driving in the way they did when they don't even know if there is a person with a gun at all at the scene because as far as they know it could have been a prank call was completely uncalled for. What they did was against most police training that I know of since they didn't have 100% positive ID proof of an active shooting going on or shots fired report. They roll up on a kid in a park like he's about to assassinate the pres, but have zero clue about the situation at the scene.

The kid was dumb in pointing a realistic looking weapon at people and then reaching into his waistband for the gun when officers come screaming in like idiot bats out of hell.

The whole scenario was fucked up and both sides were completely wrong in their actions. I do think the actions of the officers were negligent and led to death of the kid. I also think the actions the kid was doing also led to his death. I would but hard pressed to say which party is more responsible overall in the death, but if pressed I would say the kids actions were the greater factor. Had he not been out pointing a realistic toy gun at people in a park by himself like he was going to shoot them then he would be alive today. End of story.

 

[CitizenKain]

His mother and her boyfriend didn't give a shit about him until he was killed. He didn't live with them, he wasn't raised by them. Now all the sudden they care. It's pretty pathetic actually. Because they want the attention, and money. He wasn't useful to them when he was alive, only after his death.

Oh bullshit. Where the fuck do you worthless trash come up with that? I shouldn't really be surprised you parrot that, you seem like the type of person.

 

[Ichinisan]

Oh bullshit. Where the fuck do you worthless trash come up with that? I shouldn't really be surprised you parrot that, you seem like the type of person.

I think you're revealing that you were completely ignorant of that.

[edit]
It's unclear how much time he spent with either of them when he was raised, but he lived with his grandmother at the time of his death.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Found it.

Law enforcement target practice with images of young children.

Really?

Never heard of scenario training?

 

[TechBoyJK]

Oh bullshit. Where the fuck do you worthless trash come up with that? I shouldn't really be surprised you parrot that, you seem like the type of person.

You didn't know that? It's not BS. Brown's 'parents' didn't really give a shit about him until he was gone. His grandma raised him.

That's the irony of his 'step dad' inciting a riot. Dude has very little history with Mike Brown.

 

[Jaskalas]

Really?

Never heard of scenario training?

Really, what? Please... explain to us your opposition to my... statement. Oh, that's right I didn't make one on that post. If you were to imagine that I did... it might be something like this...

That officers are trained to shoot on split second decisions, they are trained to shoot anyone as evidenced by the link... as with what happened with the 12 year old. It's their training. They did exactly what they are supposed to do.

What was your problem again?

 

[CZroe]

His mother and her boyfriend didn't give a shit about him until he was killed. He didn't live with them, he wasn't raised by them. Now all the sudden they care. It's pretty pathetic actually. Because they want the attention, and money. He wasn't useful to them when he was alive, only after his death.

Oh bullshit. Where the fuck do you worthless trash come up with that? I shouldn't really be surprised you parrot that, you seem like the type of person.

Sorry, friend, but you are the one that is full of it.

Michael Brown lived with his grandma despite his mother supposedly being married the month before he was killed.

Michael Brown's mother, Lesley McSpadden, supposedly married Louis Head in July. Now, I said "supposedly" for a reason: she obviously didn't take his name and the police report made when they attacked Michael Brown Sr's MIL for the money made on Michael Brown merchandise (obviously AFTER his death) listed them as not being married.

Also, they claim that he only recently moved in with his grandmother a few months earlier because his mother moved out of the school district, but he GRADUATED a few months earlier. If his mother were married and stable, logic dictates that he would have already been back with her. Something doesn't add up.

 

[CZroe]

This seems to be the source that all other sources reference to when they claim that Leslie McSpadden and Louis Head were "married" and things are even more difficult to add up:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...guson-michael-brown-missouri-police/14594185/
Warning: Auto-plays videos. Can we trust a site with videos that play automatically with their articles and which have none of the crucial details you might be trying to get fromt he article?!

"Davis said that just before Brown's death, the family had been in a celebratory mood. Lesley McSpadden, 34, got married about a month ago. A few weeks later, Michael Brown graduated high school."

Brown's death was in August. If Michael Brown graduated highschool a few weeks later than one month before his death, then he graduated in late July or early August. Did he "graduate" from summer school?! Doesn't sound like a college prospect to me.

The facts are that there is an official document with consequences for lying which claims that they aren't married (police report) and only some cousin spouting non-specifics saying that they were.

 

[bshole]

His mother and her boyfriend didn't give a shit about him until he was killed. He didn't live with them, he wasn't raised by them. Now all the sudden they care. It's pretty pathetic actually. Because they want the attention, and money. He wasn't useful to them when he was alive, only after his death.

So the police knew that his mother and boyfriend were bad people that didn't care about the kid so that makes the killing ok? Not exactly sure why that information makes the killing legit in your eyes but then again I am not a conservative and have no chance of ever wrapping my mind around their logic.

 

[CZroe]

So the police knew that his mother and boyfriend were bad people that didn't care about the kid so that makes the killing ok? Not exactly sure why that information makes the killing legit in your eyes but then again I am not a conservative and have no chance of ever wrapping my mind around their logic.

Good job, troll.

The statement was explaining that the thread was hijacked because no one cared about Michael Brown now that he wasn't useful to their agenda. He pointed out that even Brown's "parents" may have acted that way too, especially Louis Head, which is obviously an exaggeration to make a point about the bandwagoning going on. You, on the other hand, can't seem to realize that the point never had anything to do with whether or not his parents were good people or whether or not that made killing OK. Even before, the details were purely about motivations for distorting the facts about their son and fanning media fires (bandwagon-building). You seem to have trouble wrapping your head around ANY kind of logic so you hand-wave it away. What does it have to do with conservatism? Now, explain why you dismissed is as "conservative logic." Do you realize that you are doing exactly what the shameless "if you don't agree with me, you are a racist conservative!" people do?

 

[bshole]

Good job, troll.

The statement was explaining that the thread was hijacked because no one cared about Michael Brown now that he wasn't useful to their agenda. He pointed out that even Brown's "parents" may have acted that way too, especially Louis Head, which is obviously an exaggeration to make a point about the bandwagoning going on. You, on the other hand, can't seem to realize that the point never had anything to do with whether or not his parents were good people or whether or not that made killing OK. Even before, the details were purely about motivations for distorting the facts about their son and fanning media fires (bandwagon-building). You seem to have trouble wrapping your head around ANY kind of logic. What does it have to do with conservatism?

Nonsense, the thread was hijacked because a consensus was reached that the Michael Brown shooting was legit and there was nothing left to argue about. Have you even been reading the thread?

You conservatives have a very bad habit of trying to justify killing people by smearing their reputation. You do it over and over and over again.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Really, what? Please... explain to us your opposition to my... statement. Oh, that's right I didn't make one on that post. If you were to imagine that I did... it might be something like this...

That officers are trained to shoot on split second decisions, they are trained to shoot anyone as evidenced by the link... as with what happened with the 12 year old. It's their training. They did exactly what they are supposed to do.

What was your problem again?

It was the psuedo bleeding heart misleading title alluding to cops shooting children.

If that wasn't your intent, take notice it's worded in a way that might be misunderstood. It seems you were intentionally obfuscating the intent of the article.

If not, my mistake, please pass go and collect $200.

 

[CZroe]

Nonsense, the thread was hijacked because a consensus was reached that the Michael Brown shooting was legit and there was nothing left to argue about. Have you even been reading the thread?

You conservatives have a very bad habit of trying to justify killing people by smearing their reputation. You do it over and over and over again.

"You conservatives" is just your slick little way way of saying "If you disagree with me you are a racist!"

Not only am I NOT a conservative, but conservative is not synonymous with racist unless you have a brain defect.

This had NOTHING to do with destroying their reputation and everything to do with showing motivation for distorting the story for the media.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Can anyone tell me how race was really an issue in this case? After reviewing the verdict, the evidence, etc, it seems MB was shot for assaulting a police officer and for not complying with an order to stop running.

I find this to be pretty similar to the Trayvon case in that race played very little if any role in the death. Honestly, the actions could've been the same from a white, Asian, or Latino and the outcome could have been the exact same.

Am I totally off base for saying that people brought up race into these cases for the wrong reasons? I get that there is plenty of outrage about African American incarceration rates or arrest rates for the same crime compared to white counterparts, but this case does not seem like a racial issue to me.

 

[The Merg]

Can anyone tell me how race was really an issue in this case? After reviewing the verdict, the evidence, etc, it seems MB was shot for assaulting a police officer and for not complying with an order to stop running.

I find this to be pretty similar to the Trayvon case in that race played very little if any role in the death. Honestly, the actions could've been the same from a white, Asian, or Latino and the outcome could have been the exact same.

Am I totally off base for saying that people brought up race into these cases for the wrong reasons? I get that there is plenty of outrage about African American incarceration rates or arrest rates for the same crime compared to white counterparts, but this case does not seem like a racial issue to me.

I don't know if I would compare this to the Trayvon case. From GZ's history, I think he was profiling Trayvon to an extent, however, I don't think that directly played a role in his death.

In the Brown case, I don't think that race played a part at all as their is no evidence that Wilson was racist or had any issues prior to this incident.

- Merg

 

[CZroe]

I don't know if I would compare this to the Trayvon case. From GZ's history, I think he was profiling Trayvon to an extent, however, I don't think that directly played a role in his death.

In the Brown case, I don't think that race played a part at all as their is no evidence that Wilson was racist or had any issues prior to this incident.

- Merg

Zimmerman's history as being the only resident to welcome a black family to the neighborhood? His history inviting a black boy to live with his family? His history being defended by a black former coworker who asserted that there is absolutely no way George Zimmerman is even slightly racist? His history having heard that there was a rash of break ins in the neighborhood by someone fitting Trayvon's description? Hopefully you meant that last one.

There's a very good chance that Trayvon was looking for the final ingredient to mix his "Fire-ass lean" when Zimmerman spotted him, in case anyone wants to ignore that possibility. That could be why he wasn't on the sidewalk and didn't seem to be hurrying through the rain (didn't intend to go back to the house just yet).

 

[bshole]

This had NOTHING to do with destroying their reputation and everything to do with showing motivation for distorting the story for the media.

To what end? Everybody already agrees that the shooting was legit (except perhaps Shane). I don't see what your objective is other than to villify Michael Brown's family.

 

[The Merg]

Zimmerman's history as being the only resident to welcome a black family to the neighborhood? His history inviting a black boy to live with his family? His history being defended by a black former coworker who asserted that there is absolutely no way George Zimmerman is even slightly racist? His history having heard that there was a rash of break ins in the neighborhood by someone fitting Trayvon's description? Hopefully you meant that last one.

There's a very good chance that Trayvon was looking for the final ingredient to mix his "Fire-ass lean" when Zimmerman spotted him, in case anyone wants to ignore that possibility. That could be why he wasn't on the sidewalk and didn't seem to be hurrying through the rain (didn't intend to go back to the house just yet).

I'm not saying that Trayvon was in the right here at all. But, from what I read, Zimmerman also had a history of calling the police repeatedly for suspicious people in the neighborhood and in each case it was someone that was black. And while I don't think that Zimmerman killed Trayvon because he was black, if what I had read previously was accurate, I would say that Zimmerman had his interest peaked by seeing a black kid walking through the neighborhood.

- Merg

 

[cabri]

I'm not saying that Trayvon was in the right here at all. But, from what I read, Zimmerman also had a history of calling the police repeatedly for suspicious people in the neighborhood and in each case it was someone that was black. And while I don't think that Zimmerman killed Trayvon because he was black, if what I had read previously was accurate, I would say that Zimmerman had his interest peaked by seeing a black kid walking through the neighborhood.

- Merg

If there were black teenagers casing and disrupting the neighborhood, is it racist to report them?

Profiling is based on experience of oneself or within a situation to determine that a class is person meets the criteria.

Only problem with profiling is when it is used for the wrong reason.

GZ properly profiled TM, not because of race but actions. Race was just a valid part of the existing profile.

 

[The Merg]

If there were black teenagers casing and disrupting the neighborhood, is it racist to report them?

Profiling is based on experience of oneself or within a situation to determine that a class is person meets the criteria.

Only problem with profiling is when it is used for the wrong reason.

GZ properly profiled TM, not because of race but actions. Race was just a valid part of the existing profile.

I don't disagree with that. However, as I understand it, there was no specific race that was disrupting the neighborhood. From I remember reading, there had been some incidents, but not like it was that they were all being committed by black teens. I might be wrong there. However, every call that GZ made was always about a black person. Is it possible that every suspicious person he came across was black? I suppose it's a possibility.

I was just saying that I think his attention was first drawn to Trayvon because he was black. I don't know if we'll ever really know though as I don't think GZ would actually admit that if that was case.

- Merg

 

[Victorian Gray]

"Fake" being the operative word here. I don't understand why everyone screaming murder at the top of their lungs throws that word "fake" around when they damn well know how real the "fake" gun looked, especially after being modified to look real. Want to know why the orange tip was removed by the kid or likely the parent/relative? I shouldn't have to spell it out for you. (To make it look real).

So please spare us the "fake" gun bullshit. It is as bad as the Mike Brown was "unarmed" narrative everyone focused on.

So it was a real gun that shot bullets?

Damn, good shoot then. Best they got the little hulkdemonthug when they did.

 

[Victorian Gray]

That isn't the whole video either. There is one of him closer in the foreground pointing the gun at people from just a few feet away.

Damn good thing he never pulled the trigger or I guess there would have been some dead bystanders for sure.

 

[smackababy]

So it was a real gun that shot bullets?

Damn, good shoot then. Best they got the little hulkdemonthug when they did.

Could the gun be reasonable identified as a fake from more than arms reach away? Is it reasonable to suspect a person reaching for what looks to be a real gun is a threat to the life of the responding officers and any civilians in the area?