Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[cubby1223]

Lol! Nice try. What's next from you? Are you going to tell us we are equal but we should be kept separate?

I'm glad you've been outed😉

Only those who commit crimes should be kept separate. But the white arsonists may be housed with the black arsonists in prison. Multicultural. Everyone's happy.

I don't see any other reason to separate you from everyone. I already treat you like I treat everyone else. What's this other thread I'm supposed to comment in? I haven't read it yet.

 

[boomerang]

Looks like someone found some inconsistencies with the chart.

You read that on Drudge, right? 😉

PBS is one of the news sources our friends on the left would like us all to be getting our news from. When the extreme bias of their "reporting" is brought into the light of day all we hear are crickets.

 

[Victorian Gray]

From what I read, the toy gun had the orange ring removed. This was indeed a tragic accident, but even a 12 year old should know to not point a gun (even a toy one) at a cop. Truly sad.

Watch the video and point out to us just where the child was pointing the toy gun at the police.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Try getting your facts right...

The cop told him to put his hands up. The kid pulled out a gun. That's not an execution.

- Merg

You can watch that video and then write what you just did? Fucking amazing.

The kid was dead almost before the cop was out of the car. You're trying to tell us that a 12 year old kid (or even an adult) can process a police car roaring up to you in the park (while you are not doing anything wrong), someone screaming PUTUPYOURHANDSPUTUPYOURHANDSPUTUPYORHANDS!! while the car is coming to a stop and the police are pointing their guns at him and he's going to figure out how to react/know what to do.

He was dead in about 2 seconds. The car hadn't even come to a complete stop.

And please, show me somewhere in that video where the kid actually pulls his toy gun on the police. All I see is his hands around his waist in the split second before he's gunned down.

Damn, you really will 'apologize' for pretty much anything won't you?

12 year old kid shot and killed for acting like a 12 year old kid. Yay for the 'good guys'.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

CZ,

Read the damn thread. We were talking about the 12 year old kid in the park who was playing with a toy gun when the cops rolled up and shot him in cold blood. In that instance I would seek retribution.

If my son was killed during a felonious assault on a police officer, my opinion would be completely different. I would not seek vengeance in that instance.

I don't have a clear idea of what precisely happened so I wouldn't kill the officer yet, however let's just say we'll reserve that right. That still does not address my point earlier where you would attack someone who reported seeing someone they thought was flashing a gun around. Let me be clear since you evaded that point. If a citizen has reason a weapon is being waved around then reporting it is exactly what they should do. Let me also be clear that if I were to report an incident, which I would if I felt necessary, and you decided to take revenge on me- Well I would introduce you to Tameshigiri. You would not enjoy that.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Damn, you really will 'apologize' for pretty much anything won't you?

Give it up...he is a paid shill for the Police.....read how he words things that sounds like he can be agreeable and then his true motives become apparent....

 

[TechBoyJK]

You can watch that video and then write what you just did? Fucking amazing.

The kid was dead almost before the cop was out of the car. You're trying to tell us that a 12 year old kid (or even an adult) can process a police car roaring up to you in the park (while you are not doing anything wrong), someone screaming PUTUPYOURHANDSPUTUPYOURHANDSPUTUPYORHANDS!! while the car is coming to a stop and the police are pointing their guns at him and he's going to figure out how to react/know what to do.

He was dead in about 2 seconds. The car hadn't even come to a complete stop.

And please, show me somewhere in that video where the kid actually pulls his toy gun on the police. All I see is his hands around his waist in the split second before he's gunned down.

Damn, you really will 'apologize' for pretty much anything won't you?

12 year old kid shot and killed for acting like a 12 year old kid. Yay for the 'good guys'.

People that respect guns realize the second one is pulled out, lives are on the line. That's why you should not ever even brandish a firearm unless you are absolutely ready to kill the person you want to see it.

 

[The Merg]

You can watch that video and then write what you just did? Fucking amazing.

The kid was dead almost before the cop was out of the car. You're trying to tell us that a 12 year old kid (or even an adult) can process a police car roaring up to you in the park (while you are not doing anything wrong), someone screaming PUTUPYOURHANDSPUTUPYOURHANDSPUTUPYORHANDS!! while the car is coming to a stop and the police are pointing their guns at him and he's going to figure out how to react/know what to do.

He was dead in about 2 seconds. The car hadn't even come to a complete stop.

And please, show me somewhere in that video where the kid actually pulls his toy gun on the police. All I see is his hands around his waist in the split second before he's gunned down.

Damn, you really will 'apologize' for pretty much anything won't you?

12 year old kid shot and killed for acting like a 12 year old kid. Yay for the 'good guys'.

You can easily see that his hands are in front of him due to him wearing the white jacket. You can clearly see him make the effort to pull his jacket up and his hands are still at the waist. I'm sorry, but if a police car rolls in and a cop is yelling HANDS UP and is pointing a gun at me, I'm going to put my hands up. I'm not going to make the effort to lift up my shirt, expose a gun, and reach for it. He even appears to use both hands, which I would think means that one hand is pulling up the jacket and the other is grabbing the gun (and according to the officer, he did reach for the gun).

And you're wrong, the car does come to stop, but the cop was giving the order as they pulled up. And yes, he was shot within 2 seconds, but if a cop tells you to put your hands up and you lift up your jacket and expose a gun, what do you expect them to do? A gun can be drawn and fired in less than 2 seconds. The cop is not going to and legally does not need to wait for the person to pull that gun out and shoot at him before he shoots.

This frame from the video even shows that he was pulling up his jacket before the cop was getting out of the cruiser:

This one shows the cop pointing his gun at the kid and the kid has the jacket pulled up with his other hand still at his front waist:

And did you watch the whole video? He's walking around completely aiming the gun at people walking by as he has both hands on the gun and is looking down the sights.

It's a tragic incident, but it was a justified shooting according to the information available.

- Merg

 

[CitizenKain]

And you're wrong, the car does come to stop, but the cop was giving the order as they pulled up

It's a tragic incident, but it was a justified shooting according to the information available.
- Merg

You believe the cop was actually telling him to put that gun down, how fucking stupid are you? When they were caught making shit up wholesale earlier?

Of course you would say its justified. Cops can do no wrong in your world.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Give it up...he is a paid shill for the Police.....read how he words things that sounds like he can be agreeable and then his true motives become apparent....

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[Victorian Gray]

People that respect guns realize the second one is pulled out, lives are on the line. That's why you should not ever even brandish a firearm unless you are absolutely ready to kill the person you want to see it.

Show me where in that video the child is brandishing his toy gun at the police.

 

[Victorian Gray]

It's a tragic incident, but it was a justified shooting according to the information available.

- Merg

You sir, are disgusting. We have nothing more to say to each other.

 

[The Merg]

Of course you would say that.

The death of a 12 year old is a tragedy, especially when it didn't have to happen if he had followed directions.

- Merg

 

[The Merg]

Show me where in that video the child is brandishing his toy gun at the police.

When the kid pulls up his jacket and exposes the gun, that is brandishing it. You can see that in the video.

And the police were called there because he was brandishing the gun.

- Merg

 

[werepossum]

So the 20 seconds it would take for you to call it in would have been too long for you to watch his actions and realize that it's a fucking kid being a fucking kid, playing like a fucking kid?

I thought those on the right were supposed to be all about bravado, strength, traditional male/female roles, you know strong men, but it certainly seems like the right is filled with nothing but pussies.

What scared lives you pussies must live, where everyone's out to get you (or at least those evil progressives, right werepossum), where you flinch anytime someone reaches into their pocket, where big people equal scary monsters, where kids playing make believe seem all too real to you!

Yet the white guy bringing in a gun into chipotle? Why there's nothing scary about it! People just need to not be afraid of guns!


Well maybe you pussies just need to stop being afraid of black people, maybe that right wing media you always watch, listen to, quote, and reference is filling your head with the same sort of shit about black people that you claim the liberal media spews about guns😉

Nah! That couldn't be, we all know that race baiters only exist on the left! /s

That whooshing sound - nah, you could possibly hear anything that far over your head. Look for a contrail.

If I see a white kid carrying a realistic weapon and pointing it at people, I'm going to call the cops, period. Teenaged (and even younger) males DO sometimes kill. My point was that IF instead the kid was black - in which case I would feel EXACTLY the same about him and the threat he poses - I would hesitate to call the cops because there is a greater chance the kid would be shot dead. If it's a pellet gun or a toy gun or a replica gun or even not loaded, then I'd feel bad about that. If he's pointing a loaded gun at people for kicks then fuck him - but I still don't want to be the one responsible for calling the cops that kill him. On the other hand, I also don't want to be the guy who didn't call the cops if the kid then shoots somebody.

The "white guy bringing in a gun into Chipotle" is totally irrelevant. This is Tennessee; half the people in Chipotle are probably carrying, and outside of a few whiny bleeding heart girly men proggies nobody cares. The relevant part is pulling it out and pointing it at people, and outside of your fucked-up head absolutely nobody is okay with that as long as the guy's white.

You can easily see that his hands are in front of him due to him wearing the white jacket. You can clearly see him make the effort to pull his jacket up and his hands are still at the waist. I'm sorry, but if a police car rolls in and a cop is yelling HANDS UP and is pointing a gun at me, I'm going to put my hands up. I'm not going to make the effort to lift up my shirt, expose a gun, and reach for it. He even appears to use both hands, which I would think means that one hand is pulling up the jacket and the other is grabbing the gun (and according to the officer, he did reach for the gun).

And you're wrong, the car does come to stop, but the cop was giving the order as they pulled up. And yes, he was shot within 2 seconds, but if a cop tells you to put your hands up and you lift up your jacket and expose a gun, what do you expect them to do? A gun can be drawn and fired in less than 2 seconds. The cop is not going to and legally does not need to wait for the person to pull that gun out and shoot at him before he shoots.

This frame from the video even shows that he was pulling up his jacket before the cop was getting out of the cruiser:

This one shows the cop pointing his gun at the kid and the kid has the jacket pulled up with his other hand still at his front waist:

And did you watch the whole video? He's walking around completely aiming the gun at people walking by as he has both hands on the gun and is looking down the sights.

It's a tragic incident, but it was a justified shooting according to the information available.

- Merg

Really? Surely if a kid is not actually shooting, the cops can back off and attempt to disarm him peacefully at an acceptable personal risk. Granted, he was showing his ass, but did he really even have a chance to come up with a reasoned response? They have bull horns; get behind a car at 70 or a 100 feet and a pistol is little threat in untrained hands compared to a rifle or shotgun. Hell, I'd be willing to risk that much to avoid shooting a kid and I'm hardly cop material.

 

[The Merg]

You believe the cop was actually telling him to put that gun down, how fucking stupid are you? When they were caught making shit up wholesale earlier?

Of course you would say its justified. Cops can do no wrong in your world.

What did the cops make up earlier?

Try reading over in the thread about the guy being beat and the cell phone video being erased. I made it perfectly clear there what they did was wrong. Before making broad assumptions, know your facts.

- Merg

 

[The Merg]

That whooshing sound - nah, you could possibly hear anything that far over your head. Look for a contrail.



If I see a white kid carrying a realistic weapon and pointing it at people, I'm going to call the cops, period. Teenaged (and even younger) males DO sometimes kill. My point was that IF instead the kid was black - in which case I would feel EXACTLY the same about him and the threat he poses - I would hesitate to call the cops because there is a greater chance the kid would be shot dead. If it's a pellet gun or a toy gun or a replica gun or even not loaded, then I'd feel bad about that. If he's pointing a loaded gun at people for kicks then fuck him - but I still don't want to be the one responsible for calling the cops that kill him. On the other hand, I also don't want to be the guy who didn't call the cops if the kid then shoots somebody.



The "white guy bringing in a gun into Chipotle" is totally irrelevant. This is Tennessee; half the people in Chipotle are probably carrying, and outside of a few whiny bleeding heart girly men proggies nobody cares. The relevant part is pulling it out and pointing it at people, and outside of your fucked-up head absolutely nobody is okay with that as long as the guy's white.

People that open-carry will not take it out of their holster. People carrying concealed keep their weapon hidden from view in a holster. They don't expose it and they don't try to let people see it. Pulling up your shirt and exposing a gun in your waistband is brandishing.

Really? Surely if a kid is not actually shooting, the cops can back off and attempt to disarm him peacefully at an acceptable personal risk. Granted, he was showing his ass, but did he really even have a chance to come up with a reasoned response? They have bull horns; get behind a car at 70 or a 100 feet and a pistol is little threat in untrained hands compared to a rifle or shotgun. Hell, I'd be willing to risk that much to avoid shooting a kid and I'm hardly cop material.

The issue is that the call was that he was actively pointing the gun at people. We don't pay the police to show up and stand hide 100' away from someone. In this case, it's possible they saw him getting up and thought they needed to stop him before he was able to move away since if the gun was real they wanted to make sure he didn't have the ability to hurt anyone. It's also possible they thought that since he was just sitting there and the gun was not in view that they could just pull up. We won't truly know unless the driver decides to publicly say why he pulled up right there. It's also possible they didn't see him there until they were coming up to the gazebo.

As for a reasoned response, cops yell hands up and point gun at me, I don't reach into my waistband where I have a gun.

- Merg

 

[Victorian Gray]

Interesting

Timothy Loehmann, Cop Who Shot Tamir Rice, Deemed Unfit For Policing 2 Years Ago

"The Cleveland police officer who fatally shot a 12-year-old holding a replica gun in November was deemed unsuited for police service two years ago, newly released documents show.

Timothy Loehmann, now 26, was employed by the City of Independence Police Department in Independence, Ohio, for six months in 2012, the Guardian reports. In an internal memo from that November, Independence Deputy Chief Jim Polak criticized Loehmann’s behavior during a firearms training."

and

"I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct the deficiencies,” Polak wrote.

Loehmann quit the force days after Polak’s memo was sent out, citing “personal reasons.” His personnel file classified him as “eligible for rehire,” WOIO reports."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...ce_n_6264992.html?utm_hp_ref=canada&ir=Canada

 

[werepossum]

People that open-carry will not take it out of their holster. People carrying concealed keep their weapon hidden from view in a holster. They don't expose it and they don't try to let people see it. Pulling up your shirt and exposing a gun in your waistband is brandishing.

The issue is that the call was that he was actively pointing the gun at people. We don't pay the police to show up and stand hide 100' away from someone. In this case, it's possible they saw him getting up and thought they needed to stop him before he was able to move away since if the gun was real they wanted to make sure he didn't have the ability to hurt anyone. It's also possible they thought that since he was just sitting there and the gun was not in view that they could just pull up. We won't truly know unless the driver decides to publicly say why he pulled up right there. It's also possible they didn't see him there until they were coming up to the gazebo.

As for a reasoned response, cops yell hands up and point gun at me, I don't reach into my waistband where I have a gun.

- Merg

I agree he was brandishing the weapon, and therefore needed to be stopped. But there were no people nearby for him to threaten when he was shot. And yeah, I agree that reaching for your waistband is extremely stupid when confronted by cops. But this is a kid. Surely kids deserve a little more rope than two seconds to death.

Interesting

Timothy Loehmann, Cop Who Shot Tamir Rice, Deemed Unfit For Policing 2 Years Ago

"The Cleveland police officer who fatally shot a 12-year-old holding a replica gun in November was deemed unsuited for police service two years ago, newly released documents show.

Timothy Loehmann, now 26, was employed by the City of Independence Police Department in Independence, Ohio, for six months in 2012, the Guardian reports. In an internal memo from that November, Independence Deputy Chief Jim Polak criticized Loehmann’s behavior during a firearms training."

and

"I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct the deficiencies,” Polak wrote.

Loehmann quit the force days after Polak’s memo was sent out, citing “personal reasons.” His personnel file classified him as “eligible for rehire,” WOIO reports."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...ce_n_6264992.html?utm_hp_ref=canada&ir=Canada

Holy crap on a cracker. Wonder why his personnel file classified him as “eligible for rehire” given that evaluation.

 

[CitizenKain]

The death of a 12 year old is a tragedy, especially when it didn't have to happen if he had followed directions.

- Merg

He didn't have time to follow directions because the amount of time between directions being yelled and being shot. If they even yelled anything.

Keep defending this shit, I want to see how fucking low you will go to justify this. Also, don't even try to pretend you think this is a tragedy.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Holy crap on a cracker. Wonder why his personnel file classified him as “eligible for rehire” given that evaluation.

My guess is the local police union/association. The wording is probably deliberately ambivalent. "Eligible for rehire" doesn't mean "would actually rehire" but still implies it's possible and is thus not as negative re getting another job?

 

[The Merg]

My guess is the local police union/association. The wording is probably deliberately ambivalent. "Eligible for rehire" doesn't mean "would actually rehire" but still implies it's possible and is thus not as negative re getting another job?

It's called passing the trash. You see it with teachers all the time with school districts that don't want to give tenure to somebody, but at the same time want to get rid of them so they actually give the teacher recommendation.

- Merg

 

[The Merg]

He didn't have time to follow directions because the amount of time between directions being yelled and being shot. If they even yelled anything.

Keep defending this shit, I want to see how fucking low you will go to justify this. Also, don't even try to pretend you think this is a tragedy.

Let's make this even simpler… If a cop pulls up and points a gun at me, I don't reach into my waistband where I have a gun. I put my hands up. There's no thinking about it.

And why would I pretend this is a tragedy? You don't know me and you don't know who I am. I do think it's a tragedy. Any time a kid is killed, it's a tragedy. No parent should outlive their kids.

- Merg

 

[werepossum]

My guess is the local police union/association. The wording is probably deliberately ambivalent. "Eligible for rehire" doesn't mean "would actually rehire" but still implies it's possible and is thus not as negative re getting another job?

Sadly, you're probably right. "We think he's a dangerous lunatic whom we can't trust to carry a weapon - but we don't want to end his career." Although as The Merg points out, this also decreases the chance of him bringing suit against them by encouraging him to look elsewhere while not hurting his chances of success with that job hunt.

Not everyone is suited to be a cop. I'm not; I'd fire far too quickly, and I know it. This guy is far worse than I, and yet the people who apparently knew this didn't have the balls to state it outright where others could see. In reality, this guy should have been moved out of law enforcement into something where he could excel without endangering the public he's ostensibly protecting.

 

[The Merg]

Sadly, you're probably right. "We think he's a dangerous lunatic whom we can't trust to carry a weapon - but we don't want to end his career." Although as The Merg points out, this also decreases the chance of him bringing suit against them by encouraging him to look elsewhere while not hurting his chances of success with that job hunt.



Not everyone is suited to be a cop. I'm not; I'd fire far too quickly, and I know it. This guy is far worse than I, and yet the people who apparently knew this didn't have the balls to state it outright where others could see. In reality, this guy should have been moved out of law enforcement into something where he could excel without endangering the public he's ostensibly protecting.

I think you're spot on about the lawsuit. I've seen many times where cops have been fired and then they sue for their job back and for whatever reason actually get it when they have no business being in a cop.

In one case the cop arrested a girl and took her to jail. After he got off work that night, he went back down to the jail and then bailed her out. He was actually fired three times before they were able to keep them off the job.

- Merg