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Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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Attic said:
This is missing the forest for the trees. Appears intentional at this point.

Brown wont' be charged in that incident. The law isn't telling us a lot about Brown. What is revealing is how Brown treated the clerk after he either paid or didn't pay for his merchandise.

If he paid for the merchandise is this less revealing or shocking for how Brown treats other people he has an issue with?

The forest:
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Grips him around the neck, throws him into a shelf, then charges. We don't have to break down law to absurd levels to know that what we see here is a man with disregard for others and common decency. With robbery, complete disregard for the law.

I never saw what looked like Brown paying for what he has in his hands there. The robbery isn't being contested by involved lawyers for Brown or Johnson, they appear to admit it was a robbery and focus on how (obviously) this doesn't justify a shooting in and of itself later with Wilson.
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I would say manhandling a store clerk when you paid for the merchandise is actually more negative for Brown.
 
Would the store owner have the right to shoot him if he was being robbed? I assume it would be self defense right?

I'm not familiar with the laws down in the states.
 
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Artorias said:
Would the store owner have the right to shoot him if he was being robbed? I assume it would be self defense right?

I'm not familiar with the laws down in the states.
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Not in Missouri.

If Brown had broken in, because the store was closed, then the clerk could have shot him. But at the time of the alleged theft, the clerk could only use "reasonable" force to stop the burglary. Which means detention force only. Speaking of which, the clerk could have brandished a firearm and told Brown to "STOP" while brandishing a firearm. That doesn't mean he could pull the trigger which would be deadly force.

However, once Brown escalated the situation by throwing the clerk, then clerk could then have used deadly force especially if he shot when Brown "charged" the clerk near the end. Not that it really matters as the clerk didn't have a weapon on him and no method of really applying any effective force against Brown.

As for brandishing a firearm to stop a theft, while legal it is HIGHLY discouraged for several reasons. The biggest of all is that accidents happen during tense situations. Firing that gun in many states to stop a burglary in progress changes the level of force to deadly force which is not lawful in many states to stop a burglary outside your dwelling. That and if the burglar knows you can't fire to stop them, it ends up not being an effective level of force to stop the burglary.
 
Are the thug supporters really trying to push the notion that big mike paid for his goods and did not commit strong armed robbery after it's been caught on tape?

Like I said earlier, even we did have definitive video evidence that this was a 100% justified shooting after brown brutally and viciously attacked an officer and then charged at him the "community" would still say it was "murder in cold blood on the street". Complete disconnect with reality and rule of law.
 
When you have Obama and Holder siding with the criminals, the criminals feel emboldened and that their behavior will be accepted and protected from the highest police officer in the country.

Stay frosty people and carry extra magazines. It keeps getting worse.
 
JEDI said:
contact the nra in your state.
they often offer self defense law seminiars
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nah... I think the confusion is what he thinks I meant.

I was talking more along the lines of use of deadly force... Not merely stopping theft of property. That is where many states have specific statutes prohibiting excessive force to prevent theft... Hence why I referenced Texas as an example that is "property" owner friendly in that regard.
 
HumblePie said:
Uhh you might want to go read chapter 14 of North Carolinas statues for use of force. Even in North Carolina you can use "reasonable" force to stop a theft or burglary in progress. You can use deadly force to stop a theft or burglary if certain conditions are met such as the burglar presenting themself as an imminent threat to cause death or grave bodily harm. Or if they have broken into your home, vehicle, OR place of business. Also, brandishing is considered a reasonable use of force to stop a theft or burglary in progress in most states. I think kommiefornia is the only one that doesn't allow that. That doesn't mean you can shoot, but you can certainly use a firearm to threaten to shoot.

Nothing I stated was wrong. All 50 states allow anyone to use some level of force to stop a theft or burglary in progress. Some states only allow what is called "reasonable" or "detention" use of force for the purpose of stopping a burglary only. Some states, like Texas, allow for use of deadly force right off the bat without escalation requirements.
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That's exactly what I said in regard to use of deadly force to prevent theft of property. You can't shoot a perp for simply having possession of your flat screen TV as you discover him carrying it out the front door as you arrive home. That is deadly use of force 101 in the NC CCW class.
 
spidey07 said:
Are the thug supporters really trying to push the notion that big mike paid for his goods and did not commit strong armed robbery after it's been caught on tape?

Like I said earlier, even we did have definitive video evidence that this was a 100% justified shooting after brown brutally and viciously attacked an officer and then charged at him the "community" would still say it was "murder in cold blood on the street". Complete disconnect with reality and rule of law.
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To show how committed you are to the truth what was caught on tape was Brown shoving a store clerk
 
WackyDan said:
That is a great question. He enters every thread with blinders on and hurls insults on his very first entries.
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There's a lot of latitude given but one thing never allowed was attacking a person posting as a member for them also being a mod/admin. Considering the swiftness of some bans by some people I have to wonder. I don't care who you are or the subject matter I'd have dropped the hammer. Doc doesn't deserve it and his peers need to back him in this.
 
Saw this on another forum, don't know if it's true or not: "And as far as the reporter with the Twitter feed of those alleged 12 witnesses -- she is a crime reporter who has now been suspended from her job because of this tweet which did not meet the credibility standards of the newspaper."

If true, there goes the dozen witnesses that agree with the officer's account.
 
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HomerJS said:
What was shown on tape again?

Want to be accurate or make shit up?
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If Brown was actually stealing cigars at the time and had not paid for every cigar box in his hands or that of his friend, then the moment he shoved the clerk he escalated the crime from burglary/larceny to strong arm robbery.
 
WackyDan said:
That's exactly what I said in regard to use of deadly force to prevent theft of property. You can't shoot a perp for simply having possession of your flat screen TV as you discover him carrying it out the front door as you arrive home. That is deadly use of force 101 in the NC CCW class.
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Technically you said you can't use a firearm to stop a burglary and that isn't quite accurate. You CAN use a firearm to stop a burglary, but you just can't fire it. Brandishing a firearm is not considered using deadly force.
 
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