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Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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Crazy how people picked sides on this case so quickly without waiting for the facts to roll in. An accomplice says he was gunned down in the back and then the autopsy shows it was the front. That's why its smart to wait before entrenching yourself in an opinion. I'm still waiting for more info.

You're right, but my opinion was set under the condition that those bullets were shot in the back as factual. I wasn't about to protest that what indeed people were chanting was indeed fact - but the media was chanting it as if it was fact.
 
Crazy how people picked sides on this case so quickly without waiting for the facts to roll in. An accomplice says he was gunned down in the back and then the autopsy shows it was the front. That's why its smart to wait before entrenching yourself in an opinion. I'm still waiting for more info.

Did he actually say that, or was that just what people wanted to hear? From what i keep on hearing it's that he was shot at or shot in the back then turned around. Then ether put his hands up and was killed, or ran at the officer and was killed.

It's quite telling about the state of mind that many posting here have when they chose to makeup their own story.

There is at least one and maybe two bullets that could have hit from behind.
 
You're right, but my opinion was set under the condition that those bullets were shot in the back as factual. I wasn't about to protest that what indeed people were chanting was indeed fact - but the media was chanting it as if it was fact.

thats silly. why would you base a opinion before facts came out?


i don't think anyone can say for sure either way. while i do think it is starting to look like it was a justified shooting (considering a autopsy report said all shots were to the front).

I said that the cops looked as if they went overboard. though i have to admit after everything and the riots continuing maybe they had it right. At what point do the owners of those business get protected?
 
At what point do the owners of those business get protected?

when they decide to protect themselves?

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when they decide to protect themselves?

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What is that a picture from?

With what happened during the Rodney King riots, I would agree that the store owners should protect themselves. The police couldn't do anything to stop the racists blacks from specifically targeting and killing 50 innocent white Americans in those riots.
 
At what point do the owners of those business get protected?

When they armed themselves and protect what are rightfully theirs.

One of the store owners said his store were looted TWICE in different days.

Peaceful my ass!!!


If any business owners have not learn from the LA riots, Katrina, and now this, they must be crazy.
 
Did he actually say that, or was that just what people wanted to hear? From what i keep on hearing it's that he was shot at or shot in the back then turned around. Then ether put his hands up and was killed, or ran at the officer and was killed.

It's quite telling about the state of mind that many posting here have when they chose to makeup their own story.

There is at least one and maybe two bullets that could have hit from behind.

Johnson's account doesn't matter. He is completely untrustworthy.

The folks who would pull the trigger on arrestin/charging Wison have all the evidence, ballistics, OG autopsy, and witnes statements. We know if that Johnson was being honest that this an open and shut case and were it true the evidence already in hand would show this to those making determinations of whether to arrest Wilson or not. Johnson left out and or lied about a number things not the least of which was Brown punching Wilson in the face. For Johnson to be so meticulous about details damning to Wilson, but to simply ignore or forget that assault of Wilson. He's just not trustworthy in the slightest so if we are looking at what matters now in trying to predict where this is heading, Johnson's account can be tossed out the window. I get that for "believers" Johnson's account must be true, but a preponderance of information shows Johnson to be misremembering things.

Holder is coming in tomorrow, either to pressure some charges out of nothing or to break the news down (no charges) in a decent manner to a highly charged group of folks. Grand jury is not indicting unless they get some pressure, or are moved around via appointment of special prosecutor (just like in TM case).
 
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BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

If that proves to be true, it would seem to me to more or less eliminate the likelihood of Officer Wilson being charged (unless, and it doesn't sound like this is the case, all of the third-party witness information was damning to Wilson and accounted for his injury).

I find it frustrating that this case has become such a major national item, and that this "protesting" has continued and actually gotten worse over time. This is nothing but the media and black "leaders" like Al Sharpton getting people whipped up. In that sense they are no better than the opportunistic, anti-social assholes looting and throwing frozen water bottles at the police. I am actually glad the Chief of Police released the video of the robbery, as that took the wind out of the sails of the media's effort to paint this as a placid, innocent black teen being murdered in the street in broad daylight.

I still want to see the evidence before drawing any firm conclusions, but preliminarily this looks to me like a justified shooting or, at the very worst, an officer who got carried away under an intensely stressful situation (i.e., manslaughter). It certainly doesn't look like a murder.
 
Let me guess. He was on lunch break at work?

No?

Police say the suspect tried to rob the Six Star Market convenience store with a knife. Chief Sam Dotson said the store owner let the man leave the store. A St. Louis City Alderwomam witnessed the man walking erratically around and called police. When officers arrived, the suspect refused to put down weapon despite multiple verbal command by police. Chief Sam Dotson says the man yelled at officers “shoot me now” several times. Witnesses also confirmed what the man said.

Nope.
 
The alleged injuries to Officer Wilson do put the shooting in a different light but I'm not at all convinced (nor would be a jury) that because of that injury the officer was justified in shooting Brown. A punch in the eye is not life-threatening.
 
The alleged injuries to Officer Wilson do put the shooting in a different light but I'm not at all convinced (nor would be a jury) that because of that injury the officer was justified in shooting Brown. A punch in the eye is not life-threatening.

We did this already in the TM thread.
 
The trick now is going to be getting the crowds to disperse on a permanent basis. I'm reading that people are coming in from other states. No jobs, lots of time on their hands and misplaced rage are a volatile combination. You couldn't pay me enough to be in law enforcement.
 
If that proves to be true, it would seem to me to more or less eliminate the likelihood of Officer Wilson being charged (unless, and it doesn't sound like this is the case, all of the third-party witness information was damning to Wilson and accounted for his injury).

I find it frustrating that this case has become such a major national item, and that this "protesting" has continued and actually gotten worse over time. This is nothing but the media and black "leaders" like Al Sharpton getting people whipped up. In that sense they are no better than the opportunistic, anti-social assholes looting and throwing frozen water bottles at the police. I am actually glad the Chief of Police released the video of the robbery, as that took the wind out of the sails of the media's effort to paint this as a placid, innocent black teen being murdered in the street in broad daylight.

I still want to see the evidence before drawing any firm conclusions, but preliminarily this looks to me like a justified shooting or, at the very worst, an officer who got carried away under an intensely stressful situation (i.e., manslaughter). It certainly doesn't look like a murder.

A broken orbital leaves a nasty black eye. Need to see pics. Also article says there are a dozen eye witnesses who back up the cops version. Where are they and why didn't any come forward in the first few days? They can use the fear excuse now but that wasn't the case early on.
 
A punch in the eye is not life-threatening.
I guess that's at the root of the problem then. I know how I'd be defending myself in this situation. A 6' 4", 300 pound individual having just fractured my eye socket while trying to take my weapon from me that btw was fired and missed me, who is now running towards me would get the strongest response I could muster. You, on the other hand would probably smile at him and offer him a cool drink of water and a handshake.
 
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The alleged injuries to Officer Wilson do put the shooting in a different light but I'm not at all convinced (nor would be a jury) that because of that injury the officer was justified in shooting Brown. A punch in the eye is not life-threatening.


Of course not now, we know it didn't kill him. That's a piece of a more developed picture that is forming, of which the assault on Wilson is a piece.

The assualt on Wilson does show Brown was a threat and a life threatening threat at that for what should be clear reasons. The developing picture of events is surrounding was the punch followed up by more threats? Was Brown charging the officer when the fatal shots were fired?

A charging MB who just assaulted the officer is different than a charging MB absent the prior assault. Both are bad, one is quite a bit worse.


Murder is the case if Wilson fires on a fleeing brown and then kills brown once brown turns around and surrenders with hands up. If reports are true, there are numerous eyewitness accounts stating Brown charged Wilson when fatal shots landed.

Important to remember that the witnesses favorable to Crump and Co have been lawyered up and paraded around on national TV. Given the situation, it's expected for eyewitness whose accounts support Wilson's account would be hidden. I think what we've seen is gross and dangerous irresponsibility by those stoking the flames here like Crump and his side kick, a side kick who had the audacity to claim they were moving forward with caution for their explanations of what occurred (WILSON MURDERED THAT BOY IN COLD BLOOD!)
 
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The alleged injuries to Officer Wilson do put the shooting in a different light but I'm not at all convinced (nor would be a jury) that because of that injury the officer was justified in shooting Brown. A punch in the eye is not life-threatening.

You don't need a life-threatening injury to use deadly force. That's like saying you should wait until you are dead to fight back. You just need a reasonable belief that you will receive bodily harm, like charging at the officer. The fracture to the eye socket just lends more credibility towards the officer's side of the events. All the officer needs now is one witness that says Mike Brown charged him to establish a very high degree of justifiable homicide. According to reports, he already has plenty of eye witnesses that can verify his story. However, I doubt those witnesses will put themselves on national TV.
 
You guys are running way too far with a shaky story, imo.

The orbital fracture info is very weak.

The witnesses for the cop story was merely a tweet.

Much too shaky to accept as accurate, imo.
 
A broken orbital leaves a nasty black eye. Need to see pics. Also article says there are a dozen eye witnesses who back up the cops version. Where are they and why didn't any come forward in the first few days? They can use the fear excuse now but that wasn't the case early on.

Of course it was. These are poor black people living in subsidized housing (the shooting happened in a Section 8 housing area). They are under great societal pressure not to cooperate with the police at all, and particularly not when it comes to clearing the name of a white police officer who killed a black guy. The "snitches get stitches" phenomenon is very real. If you want to get completely pissed off, watch this 60 Minute segment - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ss1u_60-minutes-stop-snitching-04-22-200_shortfilms
 
You guys are running way too far with a shaky story, imo.

The orbital fracture info is very weak.

The witnesses for the cop story was merely a tweet.

Much too shaky to accept as accurate, imo.

No major news outlet has run with the officer injury yet
 
You guys are running way too far with a shaky story, imo.

The orbital fracture info is very weak.

The witnesses for the cop story was merely a tweet.

Much too shaky to accept as accurate, imo.

That is true.

But it is enough of a picture to hold off on the violence, the riots, the harassment, the vandalism, the looting, hold off on the hatred, and wait for a more clear picture of the evidence to emerge.

Or, really, what the fuck do I care of a town I've never been to and never will go to burns itself to the ground?
 
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