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Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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xBiffx said:
You said constantly. I even underlined and bolded it.

Also, how is 12 years ago recent, especially when you said more recent than 5 years?
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Yes, constantly people are sent to prison on nothing more than eye witness accounts. Mostly because they don't know how, or can't afford to fight back at the time. As for recent exonerations by the the innocence project, try looking at their website?

http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/

and read some more through there?

http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/Search-Profiles.php

Their search shows they have exonerations for convictions starting from 2008. They are working cases MUCH newer than that. It's a pain in the ass sometimes to get a judge to allow the process in some cases that allow them access to evidence that may eventually lead to an exoneration.
 
xBiffx said:
So there was other evidence now? So which is it, just eyewitness evidence or not?
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WTF? I said that the DA doesn't need evidence to bring a case to court. I said that was demonstrated by the George Zimmerman case where the DA had zero evidence in their probable cause affidavit that Angela Corey's office filed when they leveled charges at George Zimmerman.

It is a fact the DA needs nothing to file criminal charges against a person to bring them to court. If a DA wants to do it they can and will. There is nothing to stop them.

It is a fact that many cases in this country, from past to present, have been taken to court over nothing more than unreliable eye witness testimony. That many people have been convicted solely upon that testimony alone. Many don't even bother going to trial and plead guilty because of various reasons despite being completely innocent.

I said that if the DA wants to charge Officer Wilson with a crime relating to Michael Brown's death they certainly can. Based upon the current political pressure I believe that they will. Here we are at odds with that determination. We'll see how it pans out. If the DA doesn't charge Officer Wilson then here's an internet cookie for you. It's no sweat off my nose one way or another. I was just giving reference to a recent case, George Zimmerman, where political pressure was used to have a different DA office bring criminal charges in a case that another DA office was unwilling to do so in due to lack of evidence as stated by that original DA.

Do not conflate when I use the word many with the word most. I am not saying "most" at all. I am saying many. What defines my many versus yours? Well to me even 1 is too many in a way, but in this regards there tends to be far more than 1 across the country per year of innocent people put behind bars for crimes they didn't commit.
 
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Abwx said:
No traces of wrestling in the body according to the autopsy results, the plot thickens...
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wut? Sorry, explain what you mean by that? As in... no confrontation with the officer based on "damage" Brown's body?

Sorry, no arguing, I'm legitimately confused by what you are saying.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
wut? Sorry, explain what you mean by that? As in... no confrontation with the officer based on "damage" Brown's body?

Sorry, no arguing, I'm legitimately confused by what you are saying.
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Maybe he saying there is no evidence of midget luchadors recently eaten by Michael Brown. I mean I could see how that might make him as big as he was I guess.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
wut? Sorry, explain what you mean by that? As in... no confrontation with the officer based on "damage" Brown's body?

Sorry, no arguing, I'm legitimately confused by what you are saying.
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Apparently there was no struggle, that is, MBs other wounds than the bullets are only abrasions from the shock when he fell on the street and are not related to an eventual fight, this contradict the policeman who said that he tried to catch his gun.

use google translate :

http://www.lemonde.fr/ameriques/art...ontre-pas-de-trace-de-lutte_4473082_3222.html
 
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Abwx said:
Apparently there was no struggle, that is, MBs other wounds than the bullets are only abrasions from the shock when he fell on the street and are not related to an eventual fight, this contradict the policeman who said that he tried to catch his gun.

use google translate :

http://www.lemonde.fr/ameriques/art...ontre-pas-de-trace-de-lutte_4473082_3222.html
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If there are facial abrasions, and Brown was running when he fell, they should show some forward sliding movement.
 
Abwx said:
Apparently there was no struggle, that is, MBs other wounds than the bullets are only abrasions from the shock when he fell on the street and are not related to an eventual fight, this contradict the policeman who said that he tried to catch his gun.

use google translate :

http://www.lemonde.fr/ameriques/art...ontre-pas-de-trace-de-lutte_4473082_3222.html
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Ok, thats what I thought you meant. This changes nothing. The officer was the one that got sucker puched to the eye and supposedly charged. He didn't say they had a wrestlemania and had someone in a choke hold and exchanged punches...

If anything it probably just helped the officer by disproving more "eye witnesses" that testify the officer was the one giving blows/chokes.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
Let me guess, the officer beat himself in the face with his weapon to make it look like there was a struggle.
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But Trayvon didn't have abrasions on his hands like he was fighting either! How can there have been a fight if there isn't bruising and abrasions on the hands from the punches?!?!?!?
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Ok, thats what I thought you meant. This changes nothing. The officer was the one that got sucker puched to the eye and supposedly charged. He didn't say they had a wrestlemania and had someone in a choke hold and exchanged punches...

If anything it probably just helped the officer by disproving more "eye witnesses" that testify the officer was the one giving blows/chokes.
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Let s see what is said by the policeman side :

He stands up.

And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun.
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When you punch someone there are forcibly traces on yours fists, i wasnt talking of the policeman....

Londo_Jowo said:
Let me guess, the officer beat himself in the face with his weapon to make it look like there was a struggle.
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The pressure of the punch will harm your fists skins measurably...
 
Abwx said:
Let s see what is said by the policeman side :

When you punch someone there are forcibly traces on yours fists, i wasnt talking of the policeman....



The pressure of the punch will harm your fists skins measurably...
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Not necessarily. Trayvon Martin busted George Zimmerman's nose with several punches. There was hardly a sign of it on TM's fists.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Not necessarily. Trayvon Martin busted George Zimmerman's nose with several punches. There was hardly a sign of it on TM's fists.
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If so that was a butchered investigation....

That said i would be curious to know the statistics about how much black people are killed yearly by policemen and how much whites are ending with a similar fate.

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Of those killed by police, 32 percent are black and 64 percent are white.
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Attic said:
Why would the eyewitness, who was inadvertently recorded describing the situation moments after Brown was killed, lie or make up the details about Brown charging the officer when shots were fired?

He appears most credible to me, because that eyewitness account was caught on tape right after the incident and did not know he was being recorded. No motive to lie, just a desire to tell his bud what he saw, exactly what he saw.
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There will be a fight to keep that out of evidence.
 
Abwx said:
The pressure of the punch will harm your fists skins measurably...
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Last time the skin fell off my hands when I punched someone in the face... hrm let me think about that.

Done! the answer is never.

Unless I cut my hand on their teeth or missed my punch and hit something a bit more solid behind them (which I've only done once) I have never damaged my hands while punching someone. Hell I rarely hurt them when I building them up with a punching board when I was taking martial arts classes. My left knuckle still shows a bit of permanent discoloration though due to hours of hitting that punching board for days over years. Along with being a bit notty.

Anyhow, point being is that most people are considered "soft" targets when punched. Skin, muscle, and fat aren't going to really hurt the hand of a person that has done a punch properly. And punching the face? Even less so. The head snaps back and absorbs a ton of the energy of a punch. Unless some guy has sandpaper for a face, you aren't going to be taking chunks of skin off your hands when you punch someone.

When was the last time you were in a fight?
 
My brother sisters older girlfriends mothers says her daughter friends dad told a neighbor that he heard my brother sisters older girlfriends mothers says her daughter friends dad told a neighbor that he heard my brother sisters older girlfriends mothers says her daughter friends dad told a neighbor that he heard my brother sisters older girlfriends mothers says her daughter friends dad told a neighbor that he heard brown was black.
 
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