Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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spidey07

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Grand jury non indictment coming this weekend or more likely on Monday.

Make ready people. Extra mags, rifle, gas filled and for god's sake if rioters/looters are in your path - DO NOT STOP! You car is a very effective and quite deadly weapon, don't lose your momentum and just accelerate through through the hoarde. Self defense laws will protect you.



This "advice" of yours above, bolded by me, is as unacceptable here as it is murderously paranoid.

Perknose
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doubledeluxe

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Grand jury non indictment coming this weekend or more likely on Monday.

Make ready people. Extra mags, rifle, gas filled and for god's sake if rioters/looters are in your path - DO NOT STOP! You car is a very effective and quite deadly weapon, don't lose your momentum and just accelerate through through the hoarde. Self defense laws will protect you.

Would you mind posting a picture of what you look like?
 
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Grand jury non indictment coming this weekend or more likely on Monday.

Make ready people. Extra mags, rifle, gas filled and for god's sake if rioters/looters are in your path - DO NOT STOP! You car is a very effective and quite deadly weapon, don't lose your momentum and just accelerate through through the hoarde. Self defense laws will protect you.

Still not Dunn?
 

IGBT

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when they start up their scheduled riot the fire dept.shouldn't bother showing up. Just consider it a controlled burn.
 

Darwin333

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Cops have to make split-second decisions that myself and nobody else unless you're a cop has to make. The courts know this and realize that you can't Monday Morning Quarterback these decisions they have to make. If the cop makes one bad decision, we just lock them up? I don't think so. If the cop intentionally hurts someone without cause, then yes, they need to be punished. Does that make me an apologist in your book? If it does, you have the absolute right to believe that.

If I make one bad decision they can and will lock me up as evidenced by the fact that our nation has 5% of the population and 25% of the prisoners. I expect nothing less out of the people that enforce those laws, that seems fair doesn't it? Frankly, when those in power abuse that power I think its a worse offense than a similar crime committed by a civilian and they should be sentenced harsher than a civilian. A spur of the moment "mistake", I don't mind them getting the exact same punishment I would have received had I made that mistake.

40 million contacts with police in a year. According to the numbers provided there are 2% that involve force or threat of force. Let's even multiply that 10-fold so that 20% of all contacts involve force or threat of force. Do you really expect me to believe that all 20% of that is unjustified or without cause?

So, if even half of those are bad that means that 10% of all contacts with police involved unjustified force. That would mean that there were over 4,000,000 incidents that were illegal or unjustified. Considering how video happy our nation is, there would be a heck of a lot more videos out there of bad cops if that was the case.

While some people here complain that there are too many anti-cop threads here (I'm not one of those), I would think that there would be thousands posted here each year considering the amount of anti-cop sentiment here.

- Merg

Unless of course the police intimidate you into not recording, or flat out arrest you for recording or even beating your ass and destroying your property for recording them.... Hell some states have had to pass freaking laws stating that people can record public officials acting in a public capacity in public places. I mean seriously, the courts have ruled time and time again that you have no expectation of privacy in public yet the police, believing they are above the law, have and continue to arrest people for doing something long established as perfectly legal.
 

Blanky

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Considering the above facts, it's quite easy to see how people would be afraid of or apprehensive of the police in Ferguson. They hand out more tickets than candy on Halloween and if your just getting by, like much of the country, a single BS ticket can turn into a HUGE ordeal and cost a metric fuckton of money.

IMO the absolute worst practice they do is calling your name 30 minutes before your official "notice to appear" time and if your aren't there 30 minutes early but ARE ON TIME you still have to pay the failure to appear AND "warrant" fee. Who the fuck charges you for issuing a warrant for your arrest and then charges you while they have you locked up for a friggen traffic ticket, most likely causing you to lose your job and the revenue source needed to pay the bullshit off???

They have created a true debtors prison in Ferguson and I argue that it is completely unconstitutional.
Although it seems to me that Brown's shooting was justified, I completely understand why blacks in that community would be hesitant to deal with police. Some of that hesitation is entirely justified.
Grand jury non indictment coming this weekend or more likely on Monday.

Make ready people. Extra mags, rifle, gas filled and for god's sake if rioters/looters are in your path - DO NOT STOP! You car is a very effective and quite deadly weapon, don't lose your momentum and just accelerate through through the hoarde. Self defense laws will protect you.
If your post is serious I'm thinking you always have extra mags, or are you extra extra this time?
 

Blanky

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Unless of course the police intimidate you into not recording, or flat out arrest you for recording or even beating your ass and destroying your property for recording them.... Hell some states have had to pass freaking laws stating that people can record public officials acting in a public capacity in public places. I mean seriously, the courts have ruled time and time again that you have no expectation of privacy in public yet the police, believing they are above the law, have and continue to arrest people for doing something long established as perfectly legal.
There is a very heavy thug mentality among US police. If even 1/50th of the encounters involve or threaten force I wonder how necessary that really is. I posted this yesterday in another thread: http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/11/new-york-deputy-slaps-citizen-allowing-search-car/ but here is a cop acting clearly, glaringly in an illegal manner committing several felonies in the span of one minute and yet his response to all this is that he'd do it again. What made him this way? How is a guy of his age a cop with that mindset? This is not a one-off. Between guys like him and the "good guys" who protect guys like him, who can really say what the true number of decent police are? I personally think it's a hell of a lot lower than we tell ourselves. This kind of stuff is constant. Too many cops see themselves as little rambos out to kick ass and take names. Contrast with police in a country like England. I realize they have way, way less guns there, but the number of incidents involving force or threat or force is much lower than in the US. What are they doing better?
 

cubby1223

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http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-missouri-braces-grand-jury-decision-protests-011210225.html

Tory Russell, a co-founder of Hands Up United, said the group protesting Brown's death had been hoping to negotiate terms of engagement with law enforcement authorities that might help keep demonstrations peaceful but that such talks had gone nowhere.

"I told them if there is no indictment, please only come through neighborhoods when called. Please do not continue to traumatize our community," said Russell. But "they don't want to meet with the youth. I honestly believe they are planning to kill us in the streets."

How is it not obvious to everyone that it's the black leaders using and abusing their followers for their own personal gain?
 

mizzou

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He says "I Honestly Believe" like I say "We are literally dying here" when my favorite college football team is getting it's ass kicked on the field.
 

PokerGuy

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Tory Russell, a co-founder of Hands Up United, said the group protesting Brown's death had been hoping to negotiate terms of engagement with law enforcement

Since when do people get to "negotiate terms of engagement" with law enforcement? WTF?

I told them if there is no indictment, please only come through neighborhoods when called

Uh, ok, so this idiot thinks it's OK to determine for police where and when they should patrol, and under what circumstances it's OK for them to do their job? Patrolling the city, enforcing law in the city is pretty much the entire reason for the police force to exist, yet this moron thinks that patrolling it and performing law enforcement duties in the city is "traumatizing the community"?. :rolleyes: Rampant stupidity.

If I lived in that area, I'd be armed to the teeth at this point, and ready to defend my family and property with any force needed.
 

TechBoyJK

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Since when do people get to "negotiate terms of engagement" with law enforcement? WTF?



Uh, ok, so this idiot thinks it's OK to determine for police where and when they should patrol, and under what circumstances it's OK for them to do their job? Patrolling the city, enforcing law in the city is pretty much the entire reason for the police force to exist, yet this moron thinks that patrolling it and performing law enforcement duties in the city is "traumatizing the community"?. :rolleyes: Rampant stupidity.

If I lived in that area, I'd be armed to the teeth at this point, and ready to defend my family and property with any force needed.

It's ignorance + sense of entitlement.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brown's parents get laughed out of the UN for being entitled brats.
 

werepossum

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He says "I Honestly Believe" like I say "We are literally dying here" when my favorite college football team is getting it's ass kicked on the field.
Well, we have redefined the meaning of "literally" to mean the exact opposite. Why not do the same with "honestly"?

It's a brave new wikipedia world, dude.

One other point here - if they are not planning to attack the cops, then how the cops are armed and equipped should be irrelevant. If however they are planning to attack the cops, then how the cops are armed and equipped becomes extremely relevant. Something to think about anyway.

It's ignorance + sense of entitlement.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brown's parents get laughed out of the UN for being entitled brats.
Not cool, man. They've just had their teenage son gunned down. They are honestly hurting, and like so many bereaved parents do they are desperately trying to make something good come from his death.
 

cubby1223

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Not cool, man. They've just had their teenage son gunned down. They are honestly hurting, and like so many bereaved parents do they are desperately trying to make something good come from his death.

A lot of people lose their children for a wide range of reasons.

To then make a trip to plead to the United Nations that the U.S. is a country incapable of providing justice for its citizens...

At some point these people need to stop lying to themselves. And those who are using them for their own personal gain need to stop lying to them.

I can easily see citizens of other countries laughing at them for believing they have such rough, horrible, oppressed lives in the U.S.
 
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HomerJS

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Grand jury non indictment coming this weekend or more likely on Monday.

Make ready people. Extra mags, rifle, gas filled and for god's sake if rioters/looters are in your path - DO NOT STOP! You car is a very effective and quite deadly weapon, don't lose your momentum and just accelerate through through the hoarde. Self defense laws will protect you.



This "advice" of yours above, bolded by me, is as unacceptable here as it is murderously paranoid.

Perknose
Forum Director

color me shocked

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