Mississippi State University students list of demands

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We have circled back to our Yale professor's letter. There is value in pushing the envelope a little.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Until the schools quit bending over and actually expel everyone involved in the group.... We're screwed as a nation.

If they did expel everyone, I would be much more likely to consider such a campus just based on that fact alone. You want to be little cry babies and make demands for a 'safe black space' and demand we construct new facilities and programs for your race? Last I checked, we're here to educate you - not hold your hands. You're all expelled, let's bring in some new students that have been waiting on the back-burner to get accepted.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

If you don't think this happens the other way around you're as ignorant as the people you claim are. If you don't think that more qualified white people have been passed over because a company was trying to meet some numbers of minorities or females, you're wrong. Happens all the time. Your "rationalization" of this idiotic and racist attempt at segregation is telling though.

Qualified white people? Hell, just look up at how pissed off Asians have been as far as them getting screwed over by Affirmative Action.

Regardless of them being way over qualified and way above standards, schools are forced to accept black people over more qualified asians. You can see why they are pissed.

Just google "asians affirmative action college" and read to your heart's content.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

That just ain't how the world works anymore. Welcome to the new norm where what you want can always be obtained through peaceful protest annoying others into submission and full compliance.

"peaceful" protest? I'm sorry, but blocking interstate highways and yelling racist chants through microphones is anything but peaceful.

Especially the blocking traffic, knowing an ambulance could be trying to save someones life that is trying to get to a hospital and they are the reason for their death. People need to steam roll those fucktards.

 

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When I was in college, there was an English teacher openly discussing his grading strategy after class among several students. He said specifically that he graded differently for black and non-black students. This seems the most logical response to their request of (greater?) equity in graduation rates, and I cannot think of anything more reinforcing of racial divides than to extend this principle.

I am all for affirmative action in the sense of providing greater opportunity, representation in interview pool, blinding of hiring process (although this is a bit more controversial since their are qualities not presentable on paper, yet there is little evidence of the value of interviews for many positions), greater access to tutoring and financial aid, perhaps more importantly programs in the community that act at an early age.

All of this said, how can differential accountability ever be helpful?

 

[Spungo]

All of this said, how can differential accountability ever be helpful?

It's great for creating a tiered legal system. Remember the "affluenza" case of that boy murdering a couple people? Letting him get away with it due to his social status was good.

The regressive left has ruined the credibility of female engineers. We're all seen as affirmative action hires until proven otherwise. There's also a legal issue when firing someone of a certain gender or race because they can claim it was due to discrimination, so the people who suck at their jobs are harder to fire.

I imagine this is also what "uncle Tom" black people experience at their jobs. They always need to prove they know what are doing, and they don't just work there to fill some government quota.

 

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It's great for creating a tiered legal system. Remember the "affluenza" case of that boy murdering a couple people? Letting him get away with it due to his social status was good.

The regressive left has ruined the credibility of female engineers. We're all seen as affirmative action hires until proven otherwise. There's also a legal issue when firing someone of a certain gender or race because they can claim it was due to discrimination, so the people who suck at their jobs are harder to fire.

I imagine this is also what "uncle Tom" black people experience at their jobs. They always need to prove they know what are doing, and they don't just work there to fill some government quota.

Best way to invalidate equality of female engineers or similar examples?

Place pressure to ensure that examples of objective inequality are readily available.

Leads to the 2 behaviors you describe:

1. Intentionally discriminate against hiring minority groups for meaningful positions
2. Intentionally blind yourself to holding people accountable for their actual merit out of fear of discrimination

Regardless of relative prevalence, each is a cancer, and each is being fed by attempts to correct the problem.

 

[Exophase]

When I was in college, there was an English teacher openly discussing his grading strategy after class among several students. He said specifically that he graded differently for black and non-black students. This seems the most logical response to their request of (greater?) equity in graduation rates, and I cannot think of anything more reinforcing of racial divides than to extend this principle.

Wow, I'm surprised someone actually admitted to doing that. I hope this isn't something that professors do a lot, or at least not so deliberately.

If I knew someone was giving me a higher grade because of the color of my skin I would be highly offended.

 

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Wow, I'm surprised someone actually admitted to doing that. I hope this isn't something that professors do a lot, or at least not so deliberately.

If I knew someone was giving me a higher grade because of the color of my skin I would be highly offended.

I think the worst of it is insidious -- when someone is so conflicted with the ideas of racial inequality that they act in one way or another as a result of that conflict without even consciously knowing they have done so.

 

[Zaap]

Just google "asians affirmative action college" and read to your heart's content.

Too many are already educated and so don't deserve to go to college. After all, many will just be fuck-ups on campus- doing things like learning, going to class, taking tests, studying, not rioting, etc.

College is a place where you're supposed to demand your "safe space" and fight to change the curriculum into an echo-chamber of your slam-poetry mentality.

 

[Exophase]

I think the worst of it is insidious -- when someone is so conflicted with the ideas of racial inequality that they act in one way or another as a result of that conflict without even consciously knowing they have done so.

I agree, when it's subconscious it's a lot harder to address, either by the person doing it or third parties.

But it's also a little easier to understand.

 

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I agree, when it's subconscious it's a lot harder to address, either by the person doing it or third parties.

But it's also a little easier to understand.

Perhaps, but how is it possible to know if it's conscious unless someone tells you so? And then, you have to face the possibility that the conscious component is reaction formation from the unconscious component.

Sorry for the psychiatrist speak, but it's precise if you care to look it up.

Nonetheless, there can be no resolution to these conflicts, conscious or unconscious, until we all get more comfortable letting our feelings out in the open, even if it puts us in danger of rejection from even our own peers.