Mississippi State University students list of demands

[pcgeek11]

Safe Space: A Safe Space is a place where anyone can relax and be able to fully express, without fear of being made to feel uncomfortable, unwelcome, or unsafe on account of biological sex, race/ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, cultural background, religious affiliation, age, or physical or mental ability.

I don't think this exist for anyone in reality.

 

[mikeymikec]

Here is a definition of a safe space.

What these students are asking for is not what the definition is. If they were, then race/ethnicity should not be an issue.

Except the very reason they're asking for it is ethnicity-related. Just like if some gay people asked for safe space, it's not unrealistic to assume that they might say "no straight people", because the hostility they're likely to receive is likely to come from a subset of that group.

So because its only a little racist its okay?

Your "stereotype" argument appears to have been silently dropped... okay

As I've also previously said, textbook historical examples of racism typically include an element of disparagement (one group believing that it is superior to another), hostility, and marginalisation. This example includes none of those elements.

So again, its only a little segregation so its okay?

It's one place that whites aren't allowed to go. Whites' rights aren't being shat upon left, right and centre, they're not having to fear for their safety, their freedoms and opportunities aren't affected in any way (except not being allowed in one room), so yes, cry me a fucking river.

They said they want to exclude people (segregation) based on race. Your argument is that segregation is okay because its only in 1 place, and its not racist, even though its based on race.

Almost every naysayer has likened this to the racial segregation that occurred in America's past. What I'm saying is, that comparison is complete and utter bullshit because none of the other luggage (ie. the reasons/motivations for segregation), ie. what made it so oppressive, is present here.

What makes the naysayers' reaction so much harder to fathom is that when one looks at the stated motivations for this safe space, they're also completely fucking different to the racial segregation that occurred in America's past, but I know, let's pretend that all race issues have been resolved in Mississippi and that this is all down to some uppity non-whites who vant to vulfill ze dream of non-white supremacy over whites.

I tell you what, if it turns out that this is the work of some non-white supremacists, I'll join you in asking for the "safe space" to be removed. In the meantime, I suggest giving the injured parties some lee-way as I very much doubt that the days of their being discriminated against are over, especially in a state where a flag like that still flies.

Your argument is that these kids are looking for a place to feel safe. They want to be away from the people that make them feel unsafe. Those people that make them feel unsafe, not physically but emotionally, are white people. If white people said that they wanted a place in a hospital where only whites were allowed because they felt unsafe, we would all say that was racist too. You seem to think its okay because its only a little racist and only a little segregation. Sad to see how regressive people can be.

Aaaaand we're going around in circles. In this particular case, I keep correcting you on your use of the word 'unsafe', you keep using it, for reasons best known to yourself. I'm done arguing with you. Everything I've said in this post I've had to say before because you keep asking the same questions and making the same statements.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't think this exist for anyone in reality.

Certainly not for anybody with an enlarged amygdala caused by stress. This is why God commanded that we rest and give thanks, so be might not permanently cement all of those paranoid neural pathways in place creating a conservative brain defect.

 

[waggy]

I don't think this exist for anyone in reality.

I disagree.

My house is my safe space. I can come in and relax. IF I want it quite (I like no noise a lot of the time. no radio, no tv, no kids, etc). i can relax and forget the world.

how did i get this safe space? I worked my ass off. Many hours spent at work. Many nights in college where i spent it studying instead of parting. Many weekends where i worked instead of parting.

 

[Jaskalas]

Certainly not for anybody with an enlarged amygdala caused by stress. This is why God commanded that we rest and give thanks, so be might not permanently cement all of those paranoid neural pathways in place creating a conservative brain defect.

If you just tried to use conservative while describing these students... you may have a problem.

 

[cubby1223]

I disagree.

My house is my safe space. I can come in and relax. IF I want it quite (I like no noise a lot of the time. no radio, no tv, no kids, etc). i can relax and forget the world.

how did i get this safe space? I worked my ass off. Many hours spent at work. Many nights in college where i spent it studying instead of parting. Many weekends where i worked instead of parting.

That just ain't how the world works anymore. Welcome to the new norm where what you want can always be obtained through peaceful protest annoying others into submission and full compliance.

 

[Blue_Max]

It's one place that whites aren't allowed to go. Whites' rights aren't being shat upon left, right and centre, they're not having to fear for their safety, their freedoms and opportunities aren't affected in any way

Actually, yes. Yes they are. Mainly by regressives like yourself.

 

[Moonbeam]

If you just tried to use conservative while describing these students... you may have a problem.

First I said that the only safe place that exists is the state of mental health where irrational fears and the delusional feeling needs they generate don't exist.

When pcgeek said that there is no place of safety, I wanted him to realize why he feels that way. He is personally not at peace and feels the needs that anxiety brings. There is no escape when the unconscious assumption is that there is none, even though one actually does exist. Just a heads up for those who have ears to hear.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Except the very reason they're asking for it is ethnicity-related. Just like if some gay people asked for safe space, it's not unrealistic to assume that they might say "no straight people", because the hostility they're likely to receive is likely to come from a subset of that group.

And what would happen if a college campus or workplace set aside areas labeled "No Gays!! You creep us out and this is a safe space for heterosexuals"? Think it would fly?

How about "This lunch room for caucasians only. Black people make us feel unsafe!!!"? How long do you think that would last before a court order and some National Guardsmen showed up to make sure the room was open to everyone?

 

[mikeymikec]

Actually, yes. Yes they are. Mainly by regressives like yourself.

I'm curious about something. In other thread, you described yourself as an "anti-progressive". What does this entail in your opinion, and how does it relate to describing others as "progressives" and/or "regressives"?

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And what would happen if a college campus or workplace set aside areas labeled "No Gays!! You creep us out and this is a safe space for heterosexuals"? Think it would fly?

How about "This lunch room for caucasians only. Black people make us feel unsafe!!!"? How long do you think that would last before a court order and some National Guardsmen showed up to make sure the room was open to everyone?

I already answered this type of argument. Since this type of request is very unlikely to have any real-world or logical base, I'd logically expect those requesting it to GTFO, and I'd be surprised if anyone here honestly thinks that non-whites/non-hetero people are as safe from hostility as whites/hetero people.

 

[MagickMan]

After an intensive search I found a massive safe space for these snowflakes: http://www.gram.edu/

If that isn't big enough, there's also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa

Although most of the latter isn't what I'd call "safe". :\

The implication in your second link is a step over the line of what we allow here.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[pcgeek11]

I disagree.

My house is my safe space. I can come in and relax. IF I want it quite (I like no noise a lot of the time. no radio, no tv, no kids, etc). i can relax and forget the world.

how did i get this safe space? I worked my ass off. Many hours spent at work. Many nights in college where i spent it studying instead of parting. Many weekends where i worked instead of parting.

Let me rephrase that. I don't think there is a such thing as a safe space out in public or aside from your own home etc...

 

[waggy]

Let me rephrase that. I don't think there is a such thing as a safe space out in public or aside from your own home etc...

well duh. you hit the reason "public".

 

[pcgeek11]

well duh. you hit the reason "public".

Well Duh. That is what this thread is about, "Safe Spaces" out at the university campus.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

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I already answered this type of argument. Since this type of request is very unlikely to have any real-world or logical base, I'd logically expect those requesting it to GTFO, and I'd be surprised if anyone here honestly thinks that non-whites/non-hetero people are as safe from hostility as whites/hetero people.

If you answered it using that line of reasoning it's no surprise people keep asking it. You're a colossal moron. There's a huge real world logical base for white people to feel unsafe around blacks. What causes it might be debatable, whether it's a media bias or real-world crime figures creeping into the subconscious, but it's proven, peer-reviewed science. Even whites who self-identify as liberal and claim to have no racial bias feel far more safe around whites and unsafe around blacks. Read up on the Implicit Association Test, pretty fascinating. Even if they lie to themselves about how open-minded they are, most people are afraid of people of other races and both whites and Asians are afraid of blacks. Whether or not they're right in feeling that way, the fear itself is VERY real.

 

[mikeymikec]

"feeling" and "fear" have little to do with how safe one is. Those two elements are regularly exploited to the point that people will quite regularly talk about how society is going to pot (e.g. wrt crime), even though the official crime figures in many countries tell a very different story.

But it's interesting that you think I'm a colossal moron when you're the one confusing feelings with reality.

 

[Exophase]

"feeling" and "fear" have little to do with how safe one is. Those two elements are regularly exploited to the point that people will quite regularly talk about how society is going to pot (e.g. wrt crime), even though the official crime figures in many countries tell a very different story.

But it's interesting that you think I'm a colossal moron when you're the one confusing feelings with reality.

The kind of safe spaces the Mississippi State students are demanding are also largely driven by feelings and fear.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I thought it apt to point out The White Priveledge Conference wraps up today.

 

[Exophase]

I thought it apt to point out The White Priveledge Conference wraps up today.

I have all this white privilege and I wasn't even invited

 

[Zaap]

I have all this white privilege and I wasn't even invited

Couldn't help but LOL @ their definition of privilege:


http://www.whiteprivilegeconference.com/pdf/WPC17-What-is-Privilege.pdf

• assume that most of the people you or your children study in history classes and textbooks will be of the same race, gender, or sexual orientation as you are

• assume that your failures will not be attributed to your race , or your gender

• assume that if you work hard and follow the rules, you will get what you deserve

• success without other people being surprised; and without being held to a higher standard

• go out in public without fear of being harassed or constantly worried about physical safety

• not have to think about your race, or your gender, or your sexual orientation , or disabilities, on a daily basis...

*Whoooooosh* The sheer insanity of leftists sometimes never ceases to amaze me. Where do you even start?

First off, it's exactly these types demanding history be taught based on people being the same race and gender. (Please show me a 'white studies' class.)

Much of the rest of that is an example of people living in a fantasy world where they actually WISH anyone was picking on them constantly, so they can be pitied and feel oppressed.


Not having to think about your race gender... PLEASE STOP doing so then! We all know these types are just upset because EVERYONE ELSE won't constantly think about their race/gender/whatever all the time. Basically: GET OVER your own race. Most everyone else has. Stop taking yourself so damn seriously; everyone else WON'T and never will.

Leftloons like this do more to keep racism alive than many of the most hardcore racists. The actually FEAR racism ever ending- it makes them feel special to be victims.

Fear of going out in public.. get the fuck out of here!

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

How the hell do people this stupid get accepted into state universities? We're talking about people so retarded that they want a "Safe space" because god forbid they hear an opinion that differs from theirs. You might, I don't know... "Learn" something....

 

[motsm]

I don't think I've seen a thread here where so many posters from different ideologies all agreed on something, Mikeymikec being the exception.

It's a miracle.

 

[interchange]

Either what is meant is a literal safe space (in which case, I can imagine no less safe a place) or a place safe to harbor opinions contrary to common societal values. In either case, it is merely safety behavior and thus counterproductive to resolution of the anxiety of being a minority, and therefore counterproductive to actual progress with racial inequities.

Universities giving in to such is nothing more than security theater.

 

[Blue_Max]

 

[Ancalagon44]

I don't think this exist for anyone in reality.

You know its interesting, I never stopped to think whether we should be creating safe spaces at all.

I mean seriously, is it a good idea? Back in the old days, universities were where all of the protests happened. Around the world, universities used to be places where ideas that were contrary to the status quo were discussed and shared. Out of those discussions, sometimes revolutions, protests or civil disobedience appeared.

These protesters then were willing to put their physical safety at risk in order to achieve an ideal that they thought was worth achieving for the human race. It never occurred to them that maybe what they really needed was a sheltered little bubble in which no harm can come to them.