Miss California talks about gay marriage in Miss USA contest..

[Cuda1447]

Youtube link to question and response

Please watch the question/response before responding in this thread.


I'm a little bit aggravated by this outrage about what Miss California said. The question was asked, how do you feel and why? She answered the question honestly and gave her reason why. She was raised that way. Sure, she didn't have any ground-breaking reason for feeling that way and she wasn't the most eloquent speaker ever, but she's in a beauty pageant for crying out loud. When do they ever sound intelligent? All that aside though (and the fact that she probably lost because of her answer), why the hell are people 'outraged' at what she said. She didn't say anything offensive that I saw. She even said "No offense". She has personal beliefs and thats what its all about. It makes me freaking sick to my stomach to know that people who preach tolerance are so intolerant of others beliefs.

For the record, I'm fine with gay marriage, but I have an extreme dislike for a lot of the gay community and the way they conduct themselves.

 

[RightIsWrong]

I think that she did good in stating her beliefs and sticking by her convictions.

I think that she's wrong....but I still applaud her for not trying to be PC if she truly didn't believe it.

 

[Cuda1447]

How is she wrong? They asked what 'SHE BELIEVED'. People are allowed to have individual belief systems.

 

[jpeyton]

Hahaha, bitch lost.

Now you know why.

 

[Jschmuck2]

She's allowed to say it, just like people are allowed to be upset about what she said. End of story.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hahaha, bitch lost.

Now you know why.

Great commentary. It has nothing to do with her winning or losing. It has everything to do with intolerant people claiming others are intolerant, but really just bitching and moaning when everyone doesn't agree with them. I'd suspect you are in this group.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hahaha, bitch lost.

Now you know why.

Great commentary. It has nothing to do with her winning or losing. It has everything to do with intolerant people claiming others are intolerant, but really just bitching and moaning when everyone doesn't agree with them. I'd suspect you are in this group.

It's been re-hashed over and over again. Not tolerating intolerance does not make one intolerant.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Hahaha, bitch lost.

Now you know why.

Great commentary. It has nothing to do with her winning or losing. It has everything to do with intolerant people claiming others are intolerant, but really just bitching and moaning when everyone doesn't agree with them. I'd suspect you are in this group.

It's been re-hashed over and over again. Not tolerating intolerance does not make one intolerant.

Disagreeing with someone isn't being intolerant. Bitching/moaning/flaming someone for having a belief system that is stated respectfully IS being intolerant. Do you not see the difference?

 

[Perknose]

The whole thing is only news because in most of the United States many adult American citizens are still not allowed to marry the adult person they love.

 

[Cuda1447]

No, Perknose. It's news worthy because one American was asked her opinion. She gave it honestly and respectfully and a lot of other Americans got all up in arms because they have a different belief system. They can't handle when people disagree with them and so decided to flame/hate on the person they asked a question to. Seriously guys, was she supposed to lie about her opinion? She didn't say anything disrespectful or hurtful. Come on.

 

[Cuda1447]

Perez's response


This is the type of bullshit I'm talking about. Where the fuck does this guy get off calling Miss California a quote "dumb bitch" because she disagreed with gay marriage? What if a priest asked me if I think we should have "Under God" on our money. I would say "Well, in my opinion, no offense to anyone, I don't think we should refer to God on our money. Thats how I was raised and what I believe". Sure, its not the best answer in the world, but it wouldn't warrant someone calling me a "dumb bitch".


This fucktard Perez gives the gay community a VERY bad name and anyone who defends him is an intolerant assfuck, in my opinion.

 

[jpeyton]

I hope she thought losing the crown was worth proudly displaying her intolerance on live national TV.

She was definitely the hotter of the two, but there's something incredibly unattractive about a bigot.

 

[Cuda1447]

Jpeyton, how is she intolerant, but stating her beliefs in a respectful manner. But Perez isn't intolerant in calling her a 'dumb bitch'. Its a fucking belief system. Everyone isn't going to agree on everything. Just have your beliefs, and let others have theres. That's tolerance. Calling people "dumb bitches" for disagreeing with you is INTOLERANCE. Is it really that hard to comprehend?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Perknose
The whole thing is only news because in most of the United States many adult American citizens are still not allowed to marry the adult person they love.

No, Perknose. It's news worthy because one American was asked her opinion. She gave it honestly and respectfully and a lot of other Americans got all up in arms because they have a different belief system. They can't handle when people disagree with them and so decided to flame/hate on the person they asked a question to. Seriously guys, was she supposed to lie about her opinion? She didn't say anything disrespectful or hurtful. Come on.

Whoosh. She never would have been asked the question and it NEVER would have been newsworthy except for the fact I stated above.

 

[Cuda1447]

I agree with that Perk, but if its going to be asked then don't flame her for getting the answer you don't want to hear, especially if she doesn't flame you in her answer. Agreed?

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Jpeyton, how is she intolerant, but stating her beliefs in a respectful manner. But Perez isn't intolerant in calling her a 'dumb bitch'. Its a fucking belief system. Everyone isn't going to agree on everything. Just have your beliefs, and let others have theres. That's tolerance. Calling people "dumb bitches" for disagreeing with you is INTOLERANCE. Is it really that hard to comprehend?

I do not tolerate sexists, racists, or heterosexists. That does not make me intolerant, it makes me intelligent.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I agree with that Perk, but if its going to be asked then don't flame her for getting the answer you don't want to hear, especially if she doesn't flame you in her answer. Agreed?

Not unreasonable on the face of it, true. Politically and socially loaded questions and airhead beauty bots don't really mix. If she'd been brighter, or, more to the point, better coached, she could have deflected the question with a non-answer.

So, yeah, wrong forum for the whole question, agreed.

But once this cat was out of the bag, there's a larger question of true fairness for all Americans, and my right of free speech allows me to publicly hold the opinion that Barbie's answer was on the wrong side of fairness and history.

In other words, once she took the bait, as a public figure, she's fair game for being judged on her answer.

That's why politics and religion are not suitable topics for demure, polite company and, errrrrr, beauty contests.

And THAT'S why we bravely offer P&N, as a containment vessel for all the divisively radioactive questions of our time.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I hope she thought losing the crown was worth proudly displaying her intolerance on live national TV.

She was definitely the hotter of the two, but there's something incredibly unattractive about a bigot.

And, pray tell, how is being rail-roaded into providing the answer that you want translate into bigotry? I didn't hear her saying "Marriage is between a man and a woman so let's run off and kill a couple of homos".

Beauty pageants are silly exercises but here's one vote for Miss California, at least for not saying she wants to emulate Mother Theresa and help gays who got the s**t kicked out of them for tying the knot as an answer.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Perknose
The whole thing is only news because in most of the United States many adult American citizens are still not allowed to marry the man or woman that adult they love.<----corrected IMO for accuracy sake!

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I hope she thought losing the crown was worth proudly displaying her intolerance on live national TV.

She was definitely the hotter of the two, but there's something incredibly unattractive about a bigot.

And, pray tell, how is being rail-roaded into providing the answer that you want translate into bigotry? I didn't hear her saying "Marriage is between a man and a woman so let's run off and kill a couple of homos".

Beauty pageants are silly exercises but here's one vote for Miss California, at least for not saying she wants to emulate Mother Theresa and help gays who got the s**t kicked out of them for tying the knot as an answer.

Because it's bad to help victims of violence.

Ban.

 

[Jack Flash]

Well, she didn't answer the question. She may think that marriage should be between a man and a woman but does she think all states should legalize it?

 

[First]

It's not an issue of intolerance when people say you're intolerant for being against gay marriage. The issue is that you're just wrong, there's really no ideological argument that can be made. By limiting gay marriage you are directly limiting the rights of free Americans for no other reasons except you may find it reprehensible. Much like some people find it morally reprehensible that abortion is legal; guess what, it's always going to be legal and that's just a fact of life. The excuses of redefining marriage don't fly, because even if the word were being redefined it's not uncommon in human history to redefine words anyway. The argument that gays can't procreate (besides being false, of course) also doesn't fly, otherwise you'd have to ban marriage for straight couples that are infertile. The religious argument is the worst of all, because it inherently forces a particular religion or set of religions onto other gays for absolutely no reason other than the fact that religious folks just knowing that gays are getting married is against their belief system.

So it's really not an issue of intolerance; you're just wrong and there's really no other nice way to say it. The same inane arguments against gay marriage were used to stop inter-racial marriages, and those arguments were eventually put down and taken out to pasture.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Jpeyton, how is she intolerant, but stating her beliefs in a respectful manner. But Perez isn't intolerant in calling her a 'dumb bitch'. Its a fucking belief system. Everyone isn't going to agree on everything. Just have your beliefs, and let others have theres. That's tolerance. Calling people "dumb bitches" for disagreeing with you is INTOLERANCE. Is it really that hard to comprehend?

Couching her statements by including a disclaimer doesn't make disapproving of an entire group of peoples' right to marry "respectful".

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Evan
It's not an issue of intolerance when people say you're intolerant for being against gay marriage. The issue is that you're just wrong, there's really no ideological argument that can be made. By limiting gay marriage you are directly limiting the rights of free Americans for no other reasons except you may find it reprehensible. Much like some people find it morally reprehensible that abortion is legal; guess what, it's always going to be legal and that's just a fact of life. The excuses of redefining marriage don't fly, because even if the word were being redefined it's not uncommon in human history to redefine words anyway. The argument that gays can't procreate (besides being false, of course) also doesn't fly, otherwise you'd have to ban marriage for straight couples that are infertile. The religious argument is the worst of all, because it inherently forces a particular religion or set of religions onto other gays for absolutely no reason other than the fact that religious folks just knowing that gays are getting married is against their belief system.

So it's really not an issue of intolerance; you're just wrong and there's really no other nice way to say it. The same inane arguments against gay marriage were used to stop inter-racial marriages, and those arguments were eventually put down and taken out to pasture.

I have to disagree with this on so many levels.

First of all, to claim she's just wrong is very arrogant. This, in my opinion is the definition of intolerance. You are claiming she is wrong because you disagree. A more accurate statement should be "I disagree, because..." This is not as simple as 2+2. These are belief systems. Similar to the way you can have a belief on capital punishment, abortion, God, standing at attention for the National Anthem and whatever else you want. You may think your opinion is right, but the sad reality of it is its just an opinion.


This is what to many people seem to not realize, on BOTH sides of the equation. Intolerance isn't a matter of being right or wrong, intolerance is a matter of not realizing that people have OPINIONS on different subjects. Just because you disagree with their opinion does not make you or them right or wrong, it simply means you feel differently about the situation. I have no qualms with anyone arguing one way or the other, pointing out why they feel their opinion has more merit to it, but intolerance occurs when you insult, hate, flame, kill, maim or do any other nasty thing towards someone of a differing opinion. Miss California has not ever prevented a single person from marrying someone they love. Just like she hasn't executed or prevented someone from being executed. That does not mean she isn't allowed to have an opinion on one side or the other. She stated her opinion in a very respectful manner and that is as much as anyone can be asked. A person of a differing opinion (Perez) stated their opinion in a hateful, viscous manner. That is called intolerance.

 

[AMDJunkie]

Yes, Mr. Hilton calls her a dumb bitch. But the guy has a point: she could have just said, if she were smart (lol beauty pageant queens), that it was a state's right issue, leaving it up to Americans to decide what they're comfortable with. Miss America is supposed to be a vacuous, well-formed shell which little American girls can hope to be molded into.

The second thing is, it's perfectly alright for Perez Hilton et al. to be pissed off at her answer because they are judges and that tends to be the job of judges.

I mean, she can always go to the Fox News Beauty Pageant and win herself the title with her opinions. (Grand prize: a date with Glenn Beck, with dinner in front of the green screen backdrop of Ben Bernacke as Big Brother. He promises not to cry in your freedom fries, or douse you with water from a gasoline jug [except in the swimsuit stage of competition, where it is a requirement for evaluation].)