Mired In The Diplomatic Dung

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(while I didn't write this, God bless it, Amen, and all that stuff...)


The diplomats were out in force this morning on various TV programs, radio, and the Net - telling us to all "be calm," that this "may take a long time before we can be certain who was to blame," and even longer to prepare a "measured response" with the approval of the "international community," of course.

I see.

And what I see is my children growing up in a world without the freedoms I have enjoyed for nearly fifty years. In fact, they have already had to give up many. As a kid, for example, I walked to school, went "trick or treating," rode to friends' houses on my bicycle, and went to bed without the fear of being kidnapped or molested.

Then crime entered the picture.

And our government studied it. Talked a lot about it. Built prisons. Filled them up. Put people there. Paroled them. They got out, did the same things again and we were shocked, until we habituated to it and it became a way of life. Now missing children, abused children, murdered children can be found on page 3. It's too bad, but it's the way it is.

Our lack of resolve to get tough on domestic crime led to a nation of child-prisoners. My stepdaughter doesn't have a bike. Why should she? She couldn't ride it anywhere. Halloween candy has been off-limits for years. Never know what they put in that sh|t, hey?

My two daughters in college are afraid to fly home. One wanted to work in New York, but now she fears that "opportunity."

Kids today can't be kids because they're under house arrest and that's our fault for not having the balls to make the penalty for violent crime so abhorrent that it is eradicated, if only because those who commit it are either dead or rotting in prison cells forever and ever. Amen. Instead, we have the ignominious distinction of being the most violent industrialized nation in the world. Wave the flag.

Today we are faced with the same challenge, except the criminals are out there instead of in here. They have more than pistols to make their point. And we are at the crossroads.

We can talk about the problem, study it, toss it into the bureaucratic mire from which it will never return, ala the Scottish air disaster, the U.S.S. Cole and the Kenyan Embassy, or we can stop it right now. We can assume a defensive position, eliminate freedoms, get used to it, and declare the problem solved. Or, we can say "no more."

How?

We can start by pulling out our list of terrorist organizations and rogue states. "A" is good place to start on any list. Take our carriers out of New York and Washington harbors and sail them within striking distance of the first on the list. Be ruthless, indiscriminate, and devastating. Make a statement: "Terrorism will be responded to swiftly and brutally and completely."

Afghanistan begins with "A," and they have bin Laden written all over them. The Taliban has harbored and trained his terrorists for years. We have begged on bended knee for them to stop and turn him over to which they have raised their middle finger.

But what if it wasn't bin Laden?

It doesn't matter. He's a suspect in this and other mass murders and we want to talk to him. Now.

So, we send the Taliban a Timex and a little note. You have 24 hours to produce him. If not, Afghanistan will become a part of history. There will be nothing left. Not one bridge, a factory, a home, or a person. There will be total and complete devastation.

It will be ugly and many of us will have to turn our heads as the bombing continues for months, perhaps a year or more. We will then turn to Iraq, Iran, Saudi, U.A.E., and the rest and tell them this: We don't want trouble, but if we find that you have harbored terrorists knowingly, and that have take any action against the United States, the same will happen to you. You will not exist except in history books. No if's, and's, or but's, and no warning.

But, what of China? What of Russia?

What of them?

If they want to get involved, they know what that means. The end of the human race. The history of both of those nations support a single conclusion: When pushed, they back down. It won't be different this time.

And if I'm wrong? It will be sad, but I'd rather die than be imprisoned and have my children imprisoned by thugs, cowards, and murderers, which is precisely what will happen if we do not end it. Now.
 

Russ

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Powerful emotional rhetoric that does nothing to try and understand the root cause of the pain that those who perpetrated these acts must feel. There are innocent people in those countries. Why should they face the consequences of a problem that we brought upon ourselves with our terrible foreign policy?

Russ, NCNE
 

777joee

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Good thoughts.




It is sad that you work and slave for what? To watch your liberties taken away by fear. I remember when I was a kid the worst day was when Pres. Kennedy was shot. Then Martin Luther King, then Bobby. That stuff stopped but is this next.................



Not being able to open your mail without thinking, taking a trip and wondering if your plane will get to its destination. Do I realy want my girls to have to live with this?








I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:(:disgust:
 

jehh

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<< Powerful emotional rhetoric that does nothing to try and understand the root cause of the pain that those who perpetrated these acts must feel. There are innocent people in those countries. Why should they face the consequences of a problem that we brought upon ourselves with our terrible foreign policy?

Russ, NCNE
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Russ, I totally respect you and the many thoughts you've posted...

You also have a valid point...

However, another way to look at it is this... One doesn't HAVE to understand the root cause of the problem if we elminate it.. Let those countries keep their own damm people in line, if not, they are toast...

Sure, that isn't politically correct anymore, but how much freedom are YOU willing to give up to make these towelheads happy?

<rant mode off>

Jason <--- still upset
 

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<< Powerful emotional rhetoric that does nothing to try and understand the root cause of the pain that those who perpetrated these acts must feel. There are innocent people in those countries. Why should they face the consequences of a problem that we brought upon ourselves with our terrible foreign policy? >>




OK, so what's the answer. What is it about our foreign policy that we need to change so that people don't fly airplanes into buildings and mail anthrax to Congress? Please tell me and be specific because Colin Powell I'm sure wants to know also.
 

jehh

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<< Wow, jehh, you sure do have a lot to say. :Q

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Yes, I'm ticked off tonight listening to these diplomat fools on TV talking their heads off...

BTW, WHY DOES THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE SPEND MORE TIME ON TV THAN HE DOES FIGHTING THE WAR?

Shouldn't most of these talking heads be doing their job, rather than giving 37 interviews a day?

Grr...

Jason
 

Azraele

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Erm, next time you maybe should make a rant post that includes all your grievances rather than having a whole lot of posts that all deal with more or less the same issue?

Just a suggestion. :)
 

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<< BTW, WHY DOES THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE SPEND MORE TIME ON TV THAN HE DOES FIGHTING THE WAR? >>



Because, thankGod, he knows that the Generals and Admirals, Colonels and Captains are the ones that know how to fight a war and he and GW are letting them do it.
 

Russ

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Oh yeah, I forgot something </peacenik mode> Sometimes you guys are just too easy. The noob I can undertsand but damn, Jehh, you should know me better then that.:)

Russ, NCNE
 

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I'm affraid to open a dialogue, you might take it the wrong way and bomb me.
 

jehh

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<< BTW, WHY DOES THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE SPEND MORE TIME ON TV THAN HE DOES FIGHTING THE WAR? >>



Because, thankGod, he knows that the Generals and Admirals, Colonels and Captains are the ones that know how to fight a war and he and GW are letting them do it.
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Ok, I'll agree there...

Then WHY IS HE THE HEAD OF THE DOD? Shouldn't someone who knows something about WAR be the head of that deparment?

If were president, I'd want someone like Stormin' Norman (I'd type his real name, but cannot spell it) as the head of the DOD, I'd call him up and say, "hey, can you come out of retirement for a few months, I need you to kick some Taliban butt for me... Do whatever it takes, and if you do a good job, I'll let you finish the job on Saddam while you're over there..."

Jason
 

jehh

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<< Oh yeah, I forgot something </peacenik mode> Sometimes you guys are just too easy. The noob I can undertsand but damn, Jehh, you should know me better then that.:)

Russ, NCNE
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I'm venting, I'm ticked off and this is cheaper than thearpy... :D:p:);):eek:

Jason
 

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When I was a boy I used to leave home Saturday morning on my bike, come home in time for dinner. Where was I? Mom didn't worry, it wasn't that kind of world then. We didn't know where the keys to the house were and didn't need to. I used to see some kids playing in their yard, go play with them, eat lunch with them. I lived in a community.

Now I watch my granddaughter like she's a hundred dollar bill laying out in the open. I won't let her get out of my site, and even in my site I guage the running distance between me, her, and any strangers around. I work in an elementary school and am pained at the way children look at me, (I'm a 6'4" man, 300 pounds). They have been warned about the evil men so much that they suspect everyone like me. ALL BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN MOLLYCODDLING THE ROTTEN PERVERTS THAT WOULD HURT A CHILD! My remedy: one time child-molester, life without parole or the death penalty! Rehabilitate in the slammer you creeps, and then stay there and think about it!
 

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<< Oh yeah, I forgot something </peacenik mode> Sometimes you guys are just too easy. The noob I can undertsand but damn, Jehh, you should know me better then that. >>



Russ were you yanking my chain? If you were, lay down in the floor and practice bleeding, I'll be there in a minute.:D


Jehh- remeber it's a political appointment. Good administrators don't have to be technical experts if they have enough of them working for them. Remember a few months ago he was talking about another "new" military. that's why he was appointed. That's why the Chairman of the JCS got the job. They were going to design another "new and improved" DOD.
 

Russ

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Dave,

The answer would be a definitive yes.:) Personally, I think most of those countries would make lovely parking lots.

Russ, NCNE
 

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<< Why should they face the consequences of a problem that we brought upon ourselves with our terrible foreign policy? >>


russ, i have respect for you also but in no way did we bring this upon ourselves. the next time some wackfvck decides he doesn't like us and our foreign policy we're going to keep blaming ourselves. that's not credible. we're always going to piss someone off and we certainly can't be deciding our policies based upon whether or not we make someone upset. i'm sick of this "blame it on our foreign policy" attitude. someone, please show me where our efforts have failed which gives some sick fvck the right to send hijacked civilian planes with hundreds of people on them hurtling into a densely populated hi-rise office building? Why should i think that "oh, well now, we made someone mad at us. it's a good thing they made a strong point about their grievances."

i do not count the fanatic beliefs of individuals who represent no one at all. they do not represent their country. why doesn't osama take on his own country? why doesn't he fight to rule his country so then he can kick us out of his country if that's what he wants? why doesn't he organize the entire arab and muslim world to eliminate the jews? the answer is simple: because he can't. so he does what he can do, terrorize, while hiding behind the skirts of a regime that he thinks will be able to protect him.

well, he's going to find out differently and i certainly hope this war never stops, ever.
 

Russ

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Dave,

At least you have an excuse. You posted before I made it obvious.:D

Russ, NCNE
 

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jjones


I am concerned that what ever portion of 1.65 billion muslums think that Christianity and the Jewish faith are an abomination to Allah, are viewing this as a potential for world domination. Why you may ask?

My Iraqi neighbor told me so. He lives an American lifestyle and married a US citizen. He enjoys the freedom this country gives him. But in no uncertain terms he informed me yesterday that Jews and Christians are infidels accoring to the Koran and Islamic faith.

That has not a damn thing to do with foriegn policy or lack there of.

Sadly I look at my Iraqi neighbor now with suspecion. Welcome to the new world.:|