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Miracle: Kid revived after 20 minutes dead.

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Atreus21

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Saw this MSNBC article linked on Drudge. Freaking unbelievable.
http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_new...cue-boy-revived-after-being-sucked-out-to-sea

This is by far the most amazing story I have ever been a part of. I'm still awestruck as I write this, but I am so very happy to be able to tell it.

Last Friday afternoon a large church youth group from Spanaway was visiting the beach off the Cranberry Beach approach in Long Beach, WA.

Shannon Kissel and his daughter Nicole were boogie-boarding nearby when they saw two boys were in need of help. While they were able to retrieve one boy, they were not able to rescue Dale Ostrander, who was caught in a rip tide. It was about 10 minutes until the surf rescue team was on scene.

Twenty-plus kids from the youth group sobbed uncontrollably and prayed on the sand during the search, a truly heart-wrenching sound. It was then at least another 15 minutes or so before rescue swimmer Eduardo Mendez spotted Ostrander, and he and swimmer Will Green were able to grab him and pull him aboard a jet ski.

Seconds later at the shore, Doug Knutzen carried him up to where paramedics were waiting to treat him. They were on the beach for another 10 minutes trying to revive him. I think it's safe to say that everyone was certain Ostrander was dead. But the crew continued to work on him, and apparently once they got to the hospital they were able to get a weak pulse and get him breathing again.

Ostrander was air-lifted to Portland for treatment. After he was put in an induced coma for a couple days, he woke up.

And today (Aug. 9) they removed his breathing tube. Not only did Ostrander breath on his own, but he spoke complete sentences. Amazing. This boy was dead for upward of 20 minutes, easily.

From the blog prayersfordale.blogspot.com: At 4:11 pm today "The doctors just removed Dale's breathing tube and he is now breathing on his own. Also, because of possible damage to the brain, they were unsure if he would be able to speak. Minutes after the tube was removed, the doctors told him to cough. Not only did Dale talk back to the doctors, he responded in a full sentence saying, “I don't have to.”

Dale continues to get better by the minute, and the doctors are more and more amazed!"

Going to these kinds of breaking news situations is often tough, as you never know how they're going to turn out. I was heartbroken for almost a day after this. And to be able to share this kind of news now is just so heart-warming. Please visit the site listed above and follow as Dale recovers miraculously. Because if ever there was a miracle, this would be it.
-DKM
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Modern paramedics are freaking miracle-workers. They should be given a raise and a lifetime supply of good beer.
 
Cool story but I don't see anything miraculous about it. The cold water probably helped prevent brain damage after the kid stopped breathing, which is why he isn't a complete vegetable. Also, for every case like this there are hundreds if not thousands of cases of people who're "brought back" after a long time only to end up with horrible hypoxic brain damage.

As for paramedics being miracle workers, a lot of people will end up getting false hope from stories like this. The fact is that the vast majority of people who keel over dead will stay dead, especially if prompt CPR and defibrilation aren't available. There are countless ER doctors out there who're frustrated at how wrong public perceptions about the success rate of resuscitations are. I'm glad this story appears to have a happy ending but it's also a fluke.
 
So, it begins...
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The pictures of the rescuers who were putting their own lives on the line compared with the kids useless praying on the sand reminds me of one of my favorite sayings: "The hard work of one accomplishes more than the prayers of millions."
 
ichy said:
Cool story but I don't see anything miraculous about it. The cold water probably helped prevent brain damage after the kid stopped breathing, which is why he isn't a complete vegetable. Also, for every case like this there are hundreds if not thousands of cases of people who're "brought back" after a long time only to end up with horrible hypoxic brain damage.

As for paramedics being miracle workers, a lot of people will end up getting false hope from stories like this. The fact is that the vast majority of people who keel over dead will stay dead, especially if prompt CPR and defibrilation aren't available. There are countless ER doctors out there who're frustrated at how wrong public perceptions about the success rate of resuscitations are. I'm glad this story appears to have a happy ending but it's also a fluke.
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Younger people have greater tolerance to injuries, including these, and the ocean water kept him cool. There is a saying about hypothermia cases that you aren't dead until you are warm and dead.

And having seem plenty of gorked out people after a prolonged downtime, it isn't pleasant or fun to deal with.
 
Did anybody try CPR or did they just cry and pray?

Edit: Oh wait, there's no mention of the boy they first saved needing resuscitation
 
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Being young, it's fantastic. If he were ten years older he probably would not have made it. Not to say the EMTs involved don't deserve credit here, just that a youngsters body can bounce back and heal to a surprisingly degree.

A British classmate of mine had a near death experience in Canada when we were about 10 or 11, went through frozen ice on a pond and disappeared. 5min later they saw one of his boots at the edge of the ice. He had drowned and was revived minutes later, the only lasting effect being some loss of hearing in one of his ears iirc.
 
ichy said:
The pictures of the rescuers who were putting their own lives on the line compared with the kids useless praying on the sand reminds me of one of my favorite sayings: "The hard work of one accomplishes more than the prayers of millions."
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😀

I'm so using that. My mother likes to send me framed wall hangers and such with little quips about prayers and angels and such for the wall decorations (knowing full well I want nothing to do with her silly religion)

Looks like I may have to commission some of my own and send one her way! 😉
 
Great story, very lucky young man. but this will give religious nutters "proof" that a god exists, and 'saved" him. Praise Jesus!
 
Not a miracle


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammalian_diving_reflex

Mammalian diving reflex


The mammalian diving reflex is a reflex in mammals which optimizes respiration to allow staying underwater for extended periods of time. It is exhibited strongly in aquatic mammals (seals,[1] otters, dolphins, etc.), but exists in a weaker version in other mammals, including humans.

Diving birds, such as penguins, have a similar diving reflex. Every animal's diving reflex is triggered specifically by cold water contacting the face[2] – water that is warmer than 21 °C (70 °F) does not cause the reflex, and neither does submersion of body parts other than the face. Also, the reflex is always exhibited more dramatically, and thus can grant longer survival, in young individuals

When the face is submerged, receptors that are sensitive to cold within the nasal cavity and other areas of the face supplied by cranial nerve V (trigeminal) relay the information to the brain and then innervate cranial nerve X, which is part of the autonomic nervous system. This causes bradycardia and peripheral vasoconstriction. Blood is removed from the limbs and all organs but the heart and the brain, creating a heart-brain circuit and allowing the mammal to conserve oxygen.
 
ichy said:
Cool story but I don't see anything miraculous about it. The cold water probably helped prevent brain damage after the kid stopped breathing, which is why he isn't a complete vegetable. Also, for every case like this there are hundreds if not thousands of cases of people who're "brought back" after a long time only to end up with horrible hypoxic brain damage.

As for paramedics being miracle workers, a lot of people will end up getting false hope from stories like this. The fact is that the vast majority of people who keel over dead will stay dead, especially if prompt CPR and defibrilation aren't available. There are countless ER doctors out there who're frustrated at how wrong public perceptions about the success rate of resuscitations are. I'm glad this story appears to have a happy ending but it's also a fluke.
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Clearly praying, instead of manually pumping oxygenated blood into his brain was the key there.
 
Leaving aside all the religious arguments people also need to be realistic about the chances of success that CPR has. Stories like this are great, but ask any paramedic and ER doctor/nurse and they'll tell you that success stories are rare. People who take a CPR course need to understand that if they are ever called on to use what they know the person they're trying to resuscitate will most like NOT come back.
 
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