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Minor update in the Plame case

Gaard

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In Leak Case, Reporters Lack Shield For Sources
But Novak is not before the court, and a key question in the case is why he is not, because he presumably knows the identities of the original leakers.

Neither he nor Fitzgerald has been willing to say whether Novak has even been subpoenaed or, if so, whether he has cooperated.

One intriguing possibility, noted by several lawyers familiar with the case, is that Novak may have invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, and that Fitzgerald has not yet chosen to give him immunity from prosecution to compel his testimony.

Someone want to jog my memory? Who was it that called for CBS to reveal their sources in the memo controversy?
 
heh...good point.

But, with the government going after Judith Miller, et al, makes you wonder why they want the phone records and what kind of screws they'll turn on those people who called the reporters.

More reporters to be shunned by the White House?
 
The White House has succeeded in making this a which hunt, not for traitors committing High Treason i.e. itself, but against the freedom of the press. It is a vital part of journalistic freedom to be able to work with people incognito and use sources that can remain anonymous. If the White House succeeds in destroying leaks it will suceed in keeping it's operations secret from the US public and another giant step towards authoritarian rule is taken. The Presidency is looking more like a four year Dictatorship by the day.
 
Prosecutor argues for government access to reporters' phone records
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/01/20/news/leaks.html
NEW YORK A federal prosecutor has argued that the government should be allowed to examine the telephone records of two reporters for The New York Times to identify their sources for several articles about Islamic charities.
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"We want to find out who leaked national security information," the prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, said on Wednesday in a federal court hearing in New York.
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Floyd Abrams, a lawyer for the reporters, Judith Miller and Philip Shenon, said the records Fitzgerald was seeking contained information about "dozens and dozens" of confidential sources whom the reporters consulted in the fall of 2001 for articles about the charities and many other topics. He argued that allowing prosecutors to inspect the records would ultimately affect the flow of information to the public.
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"If we start down the road of permitting a federal prosecutor to obtain secret information without which journalists cannot function," Abrams said, "the world will change for the worse, because confidential sources will no longer be available."
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The Times sued the government in September, asking the court to stop Fitzgerald from seeking its records from telephone companies and from reviewing any phone records the government already has. The judge who heard the argument Wednesday, Robert Sweet of the U.S. District Court in Manhattan, said that the case raised "a very delicate and significant issue."
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Miller is also involved in an unrelated case involving confidential sources. A federal judge in Washington has ordered her jailed for refusing to name her sources to a grand jury investigating the disclosure of the identity of a covert CIA officer, Valerie Plame. Miller, who did not write about the Plame matter, is free pending the ruling of the federal appeals court in Washington.
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Fitzgerald is the prosecutor in both cases. In the Washington case, he was appointed special counsel after Attorney General John Ashcroft recused himself.
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In the case argued on Wednesday, Fitzgerald, acting in his usual capacity, as the U.S. attorney, or chief federal prosecutor in Chicago, said he was investigating the disclosure in 2001 of impending government actions against two Islamic charities, Holy Land Foundation of Texas and Global Relief Foundation in Illinois. Before the assets of the charities were blocked and their offices raided, Fitzgerald said, a Times reporter called each charity for comment, alerting them to the coming actions.
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Whoever told the reporters about the government's plans might have violated the law, Fitzgerald said. He said the reporters were not themselves targets of his investigation. In court papers, the reporters disputed the assertion that they had tipped off the charities to the raids. They said the charities had long been subjects of scrutiny and knew the government planned to act against them.
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Fitzgerald argued Wednesday that his investigation had been sensitive to First Amendment considerations and had moved methodically and incrementally.
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Abrams said there was no practical difference between requiring reporters to name their sources and inspecting their phone records.
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"These telephone records," he said, "are the functional equivalent in every way of putting Judy Miller on the stand and asking her on penalty of contempt of court and jail about every confidential source she talked to in a three-week period after 9/11."
 
The White House knew what it was doing when it picked Fitzgerald for the job of investigating itself.
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Novak should be tried for treason.
He's immune. He's right-wing.

The only right-winger that's been punished so far has been Ken Lay with his indictment.
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Weird.. still not one single Republican in this thread 😕
If it makes you feel better, I can throw in something about Clinton, maybe mention 9/11 a couple of times.

😉
 
If you are missing the Repubs, I could call the thread a circle jerk...
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Originally posted by: MonkeyK
If you are missing the Repubs, I could call the thread a circle jerk...
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I think the Repubs know what is missing 😉 accountability, credibility etc etc
 
Dunno, but Fitzgerald is pursuing an interesting strategy wrt the Plame affair. Rather than confront Novak directly, allowing invocation of the confidentiality of sources actually used, he's going at it from a different angle- namely, that reporters will have a more difficult time protecting the source of a story not published... that "source" not being a "source" at all... moves it off to the edge of the whole freedom of the press argument...

Basically, Fitz is putting reporters in the position that in order to protect a source, they have to publish the story... dunno if I like it or not, but it's interesting....

It also puts the lie to Novak's claims that the story was inadvertently leaked to him, as it appears that the scenario was more along the lines of trying to find somebody to publish it, shopping around, as it were... How else would Judith Miller be involved at all?
 
MAJOR UPDATE:

MSNBC TV reporting that a federal appeals court has ruled that the two journalists must testify before the Grand Jury. I don't know if that means Miller and the other one or if Douchebag has to, as well.

The ruling was based on case law precedent including a previous SCOTUS decision.



Court: Reporters Must Testify in CIA Leak Case
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&c.../20050215/pl_nm/bush_leak_dc&printer=1
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court ruled on Tuesday that two journalists must testify before a federal grand jury about their confidential sources in an investigation into a leak that exposed the identity of a covert CIA (news - web sites) officer.

The three-judge panel ruled that New York Times reporter Judith Miller and Matthew Cooper of Time Magazine must comply with a subpoena from a grand jury investigating whether the Bush administration illegally leaked the agent's name to the news media.

"There is no First Amendment privilege protecting the evidence sought," Judge David Sentelle wrote in the opinion that went against the two journalists. The decision upheld a ruling by a federal judge that Miller and Cooper were in contempt of court and should be jailed for refusing to testify about their confidential sources.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
MAJOR UPDATE:

MSNBC TV reporting that a federal appeals court has ruled that the two journalists must testify before the Grand Jury. I don't know if that means Miller and the other one or if Douchebag has to, as well.

The ruling was based on case law precedent including a previous SCOTUS decision.



Court: Reporters Must Testify in CIA Leak Case
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&c.../20050215/pl_nm/bush_leak_dc&printer=1
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court ruled on Tuesday that two journalists must testify before a federal grand jury about their confidential sources in an investigation into a leak that exposed the identity of a covert CIA (news - web sites) officer.

The three-judge panel ruled that New York Times reporter Judith Miller and Matthew Cooper of Time Magazine must comply with a subpoena from a grand jury investigating whether the Bush administration illegally leaked the agent's name to the news media.

"There is no First Amendment privilege protecting the evidence sought," Judge David Sentelle wrote in the opinion that went against the two journalists. The decision upheld a ruling by a federal judge that Miller and Cooper were in contempt of court and should be jailed for refusing to testify about their confidential sources.

YES!

 
The Republlicans are missing from this thread in the same way the Democrats were suspiciously absent from the CBS thread, except to attept to make apologies for Rather, use poor reasonnig as to why nobody could know for sure those documents were forgeries, and speculate this all master-minded by Rove.

CBS wasn't forthcoming with its sources either. The source was uncovered by some folks putting two and two together (the docs were faxed from a Kinkos in Abilene at the same time a certain person was discovered to be there), which finally forced CBS to admit where the information came from.

Now the folks in here are demanding Novak reveal his sources when for Rathergate, the same kind of loudmouthing that it shown in this case was muffled practically to silence. So once again the hypocrisy of their stance is demostrated. But keep right on pretending that it's actually the Republicans that are the ones being the hypocrites. Keep calling that kettle names.

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The Republlicans are missing from this thread in the same way the Democrats were suspiciously absent from the CBS thread, except to attept to make apologies for Rather, use poor reasonnig as to why nobody could know for sure those documents were forgeries, and speculate this all master-minded by Rove.

CBS wasn't forthcoming with its sources either. The source was uncovered by some folks putting two and two together (the docs were faxed from a Kinkos in Abilene at the same time a certain person was discovered to be there), which finally forced CBS to admit where the information came from.

Now the folks in here are demanding Novak reveal his sources when for Rathergate, the same kind of loudmouthing that it shown in this case was muffled practically to silence. So once again the hypocrisy of their stance is demostrated. But keep right on pretending that it's actually the Republicans that are the ones being the hypocrites. Keep calling that kettle names.

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Ummm... CBS was a case of bad journalism. This is case of TREASON. No comparison. If you were a TRUE American, you'd WANT to get to the bottom of this.
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Ummm... CBS was a case of bad journalism. This is case of TREASON. No comparison. If you were a TRUE American, you'd WANT to get to the bottom of this.
He's a liberal, remember? :roll:

IAE, TLC is just diverting attention from the TOPIC of this thread. Please stay on-topic, TLC.
 
Yeh, Riiight, TLC. CBS and Rather both admitted their error wrt to their story about GWB and the TANG. People were fired, methodologies changed- Lesson Learned.

That certainly can't be said wrt the Plame affair.
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
The Republlicans are missing from this thread in the same way the Democrats were suspiciously absent from the CBS thread, except to attept to make apologies for Rather, use poor reasonnig as to why nobody could know for sure those documents were forgeries, and speculate this all master-minded by Rove.

CBS wasn't forthcoming with its sources either. The source was uncovered by some folks putting two and two together (the docs were faxed from a Kinkos in Abilene at the same time a certain person was discovered to be there), which finally forced CBS to admit where the information came from.

Now the folks in here are demanding Novak reveal his sources when for Rathergate, the same kind of loudmouthing that it shown in this case was muffled practically to silence. So once again the hypocrisy of their stance is demostrated. But keep right on pretending that it's actually the Republicans that are the ones being the hypocrites. Keep calling that kettle names.

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Ummm... CBS was a case of bad journalism. This is case of TREASON. No comparison. If you were a TRUE American, you'd WANT to get to the bottom of this.
You mean like those who focused on Bush's NG service while giving Kerry and his treasonous behaviour in France a pass?

OK. Sure. Big difference.

 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Ummm... CBS was a case of bad journalism. This is case of TREASON. No comparison. If you were a TRUE American, you'd WANT to get to the bottom of this.
You mean like those who focused on Bush's NG service while giving Kerry and his treasonous behaviour in France a pass?

OK. Sure. Big difference.[/quote]BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! Someone really has been drinking the Kool-Aid!
 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Yeh, Riiight, TLC. CBS and Rather both admitted their error wrt to their story about GWB and the TANG. People were fired, methodologies changed- Lesson Learned.

That certainly can't be said wrt the Plame affair.
CBS and Rather didn't admit crap. They refuse to come to any conclusion on the actual documents being forgeries, nor do they seem willing to smack down Rather. He was the main culprit and was not fired. And most of those that were supposedly fired in the CBS case were just shuffled around. Only one was actually let go, last I heard.

And the reason I'm speaking out is the morons calling out the republicans in this thread, as if the oppoistion behavior has been lilly white in so many similar cases.

Personally, I hope they do get to the bottom of the Plame affair. I hope they get to the bottom of ALL the facts, including Wilson's wife's involvement in getting Joe Wilson appointed to go to Africa in the first place.
 
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