minor car accident a month ago, now they want $500 cash... what to do?

spanky

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my friend was involved in a minor car accident about a month ago (dec 8th). she drives a 95 maxima... i am not sure what the other car was (when i arrived at the scene, the other car was gone... she described it only as an early 90's american car). basically, she (lets call her jane) rear ended another guy (lets call him john). when this happened, she cut the wheel to the right, so her front driver's side bumper hit john's rear passenger corner bumper. john inspected his car and said nothing seems wrong with his car, and since she is not hurt, they'll just go their separate ways (no police report). however, just in case, john took down jane's name and phone number (no insurance information or drivers license info was exchanged). the damage to jane's car was a scratch on her bumper and a turn signal bulb died (not busted... just died).

a month passes by... and on jan 9th, john's mom calls jane and says she took the car to the dealer for an estimate. john's mom asks jane for $800 cash. jane's mom also says that her son-in-law is a police officer, and if need be, she can ask him to run her plates and look up her insurance info in "their system". a few days later, john's mom again calls jane and says that she understands that a college student doesn't have much money, and that they also probably are worried about increasing insurance premiums. now, she is asking for $500 cash. the reason for the lower request is that her husband fixes cars, and they could get a replacement bumper from a junkyard. now, i'm not a mechanic, but i am pretty sure it's not necessary to replace a bumper for a scratched bumper. and even if the bumper was to be replaced, it does not costs $500-$800 (tho i could be wrong).

today, jane calls me and tells me about what has transpired over the last few days. to me, it sounds like john's mom is just looking to make a quick $500. i don't think she has any intention on fixing the car. i think it's kind of wierd that john's mom would call a month later and ask for monetary compensation. actually, it seems more like john's mom is trying to scare some cash out of jane.

i understand that jane is at fault for the accident, but i find it very odd that it took john (actually, not even john... it's his mom doing all the talking) a month to even contact jane about the accident. dec 8th was the last day of classes before finals began, so i don't think john's family went away on vacation immediately after the accident. i'm wondering if john's mom's goal is to fix the car, or make a profit. if they called soon after the accident, then i'd have surrendered my insurance info without much of a fight (even tho john did say nothing was wrong at the time of the accident). i don't think giving up $800 or $500 cash would have ever been an option anyway, since jane doesn't have that kind of cash to unload. but after a month of no contact, john's mom calls and tries to push jane around... asking for some cash, or else she is gonna get her son-in-law, the cop.

it kind of pisses me off that john's mom is trying to throw her weight around. i don't think cash was ever an option anyway, so it's all about insurance now. i feel that if they contacted jane about damages to the car in a more timely fashion (a week or two after), surrendering jane's insurance info would not be a problem. but a month later? who is to say that during that month, john's car did not get hit by something else in a parking lot (hit and run), or if john backed his car up into a fire hydrent (damages of his own fault)?

would jane be wrong to NOT surrender her insurance info at this point? are there any laws/rules/statutes for reporting an accident to the insurance company? i feel that at this point (one month later), jane should not give up her insurance info, and that if her son-in-law can run jane's plates to get the info... then fine, go for it (tho that has got to be some kind of violation... can cops just run ANY person's plates and seek their personal information to give to another citizen, based on accusations alone?). anyway... just wanted to see what you guys thought about this, and what's your take on this situation?
 

KarenMarie

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Tell Jane to tell John's mom that she will be happy to get her mechanic to look at the car and if need be pay her mechanic to replair any damage!
Also tell John's mom that it will go thru insurance.

:)
 

cjchaps

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Maybe John backed up into a tree and screwed up his bumber big time and is blaming it on Jane?
 

KarenMarie

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oh. and one more thing.... VERY IMPORTANT

Make sure than jane admits no liability. Once she admits it was her fault, they will probably sue her and she has no leg to stand on.

 

beer

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Originally posted by: cjchaps
Maybe John backed up into a tree and screwed up his bumber big time and is blaming it on Jane?

They have no legal stance if no police report was filed.
 

JHoNNy1OoO

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As far as I know once both parties agree there is nothing wrong(or minor damage) with the cars and leave the scene of the accident without informing the police or getting each others insurance information it's basically over. There might be a window but a month should definately be passed that window. Again this is from what I have heard.
 

TheKub

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Tell the mother that John flead from the scene of an accident, which is something that the son-in-law should be familiar with.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: Quixfire
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: minendo
Originally posted by: dtyn
Was there a police report? No? Then it never happened. :)
Exactly.

I concur.
Agreed, there is nothing they can do. If they take it to court the judge will throw it out.
Yeah, I think I'd tell them to piss off. The first rule in any fender-bender is to GET A POLICE REPORT EVEN IF IT SEEMS LIKE NOTHING'S WRONG/BROKEN.

 

spanky

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Originally posted by: TheKub
Tell the mother that John flead from the scene of an accident, which is something that the son-in-law should be familiar with.

oh.... that's a good one
 

rmrf

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I bumped into a guy about a year ago, didn't do much damage. They took it to a repair shop (I live in a small town - 3 repair shops). I offered cash, since I didn't want to go through insurance, but they insisted that they needed the money because their son was going off to college and needed to get his car fixed before he left. I still see his car around and he did not fix it. I get pretty pissed off every time I see his car.

Anyways, good luck to your friend in figuring this out.
 

rmrf

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Originally posted by: spanky
Originally posted by: TheKub Tell the mother that John flead from the scene of an accident, which is something that the son-in-law should be familiar with.
oh.... that's a good one

The only problem with that is john happened to get all of the girls info before he left. not exactly fleeing the scene.
 

minendo

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Originally posted by: rmrf
Originally posted by: spanky
Originally posted by: TheKub Tell the mother that John flead from the scene of an accident, which is something that the son-in-law should be familiar with.
oh.... that's a good one

The only problem with that is john happened to get all of the girls info before he left. not exactly fleeing the scene.
So Jane gave John her information because she wanted to go out on a date with him.

John, will get nothing out of this.

 

fredtam

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Originally posted by: dtyn
Was there a police report? No? Then it never happened. :)

Exactlty. It should have been reported to the police and insurance. He probably chose not to because he didn't ahve insurance or some other less than honorable reason. The best thing to do is to tell John's mom to fvck off or you will report her for harrassment and extortion. Jane offered to exchange info and he chose not to. Given the amount of time since the accident a lot of things could have happened to the car. If he gets the insurance info the insurance company will defend you and he won't get a dime.
 

TheKub

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I support the Circuit Court judges here in Ingham County and without a police report they would toss the case as its his work vs hers.
 

huesmann

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Originally posted by: rmrf
I bumped into a guy about a year ago, didn't do much damage. They took it to a repair shop (I live in a small town - 3 repair shops). I offered cash, since I didn't want to go through insurance, but they insisted that they needed the money because their son was going off to college and needed to get his car fixed before he left. I still see his car around and he did not fix it. I get pretty pissed off every time I see his car.
You should have told them to have the car fixed and that you would pay the shop's repair bill when they presented it to you. :)
 

yllus

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John's Mom: "So, about that $500 from the accident?"
Jane: "What accident? Do I know you? Wrong number...please stop calling."
 

LikeLinus

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Originally posted by: yllus
John's Mom: "So, about that $500 from the accident?"
Jane: "What accident? Do I know you? Wrong number...please stop calling."

You need to ask Jane specifically what she said on those phone calls. If these people are indeed trying to swindle her out of money, they've probably recorded the phone conversations. Do you know if she admitted to the accident?

Also is the information she gave the person in her hand writting? Don't listen to these idiots on ATOT telling you to lie, unless you know all the facts.
 

TheNinja

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When and where I grew up it was common for people to not get insurances involved in an small accident. It was easier for both parties if it was a small accident that the person not at fault would get an estimate or two and the person who was at fault would pay it out of pocket. This was good for both people to keep insurance down and reduce hassle. However now days I would take insurance info and file a report no matter what. I just don't trust people anymore, it's too bad really.
In this case, John took a chance and didn't want to get insurance involved (either for person reasons or b/c he felt bad for Jane). I think Jane should ask for a written and signed estimate and should pay it out of pocket or get her insurance involved if she wants to do the honorable thing. However since John left the scene and didn't file a report, Jane legally owes him nothing. But John was a moron for waiting a month, for all Jane knows John could have got in a nother little fender bender and caused more damage. It's the classic case of legality, morality and ethics being involved but being contradictory with each other.
 

rmrf

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the police report is probably the biggest part of this. like other posters have mentioned, he could have somehow wrecked his bumper within the span of a month, and to come back after that amount of time to claim the money for it is ludacris. The mother is obviously a scammer and extortion would be a good word for it. I think the son-in-law would get in trouble for using his resources in a matter that seems to me would be illegal. I am not a lawyer though, and I don't work for any part of the justice system, so I wouldn't know any of the technical details of how to handle this.

again, good luck.