Mini-Rant about Churches...

[NikPreviousAcct]

<< For someone who types so much, you have surprisingly little to say. Really, show me my "lack of knowledge." Or are you going to continue to beat around the bush, telling me this and that, while not actually making a point in all that incoherent babbling? >>

I understood it quite easily.
nik

 

[Jzero]

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<< Actually, you're lack of knowledge was already explained well enough for this thread in FFMCobalt's previous post.
I will decline to respond to your blather any further because I am tired of letting anti-religious trolls grind their axes in otherwise thoughtful threads. You come in and completely rip the thread off-topic just so you can push your personal agenda. >>



For someone who types so much, you have surprisingly little to say. Really, show me my "lack of knowledge." Or are you going to continue to beat around the bush, telling me this and that, while not actually making a point in all that incoherent babbling? >>


Good day, Mindstorm. I already told you where to go.

 

[Jzero]

<< if i ever implied that one was less holy than the other, i apologize... i got sidetracked. my point is that i think this reflects a trend in our society, where people have an increasing inability to enjoy a quieter, slower, way of doing things. i just think it is sad that this is causing the old churches to possibly close. that is all. >>


Oh, yeah. Now I see what you're driving at. That is definitely true. Heck....I even see that within myself. While I can still enjoy complete solitude and silence anytime, when I look at what I like, I definitely see an upward trend for things that are faster and brighter. I tried to play an emulated C-64 game some weeks ago, one that I could spend hours playing just 8 or 9 years ago, and I couldn't handle how much time I spent waiting for it to load from disk.
We definitely live in a fast-food, throwaway society.

 

[petrek]

Gopunk may be an athiest, but he's telling it like it is. Kranky's post was well said (and amusing, LOL ).

Dave

 

[QueHuong]

<< Good god. I'm not dictating what the Catholics believe as their theology. I'm saying that what they believe is wrong (on this topic). You're just LOOKING for things to make me wrong aren't you?

Show me where the Bible teaches it. Gimme a quick sermon on why keeping the sabbath day holy is the same as going to church on a religious basis... >>



jesus christ...I typed a lengthy reply, painfully elaborating why your every sentence contains fallacies - going slow enough so someone of your intellectual caliber would comprehend, but goddamn IE crashed when I used the scroll button on my mouse (anyone else getting this problem?). Maybe this is your god's way of punishing non-believers...I don't know. So you'll have to excuse me when I don't want to put forth the same effort again:

pointed out friend says she's a true catholic and loves god and pointed out how she doesn't go to church. you hauled your ass into this thread and proceeded to tell me what the catholic church teaches. I then reiterated the catholic church interprets sabbath as going to church. then you rambled about how the catholic church is wrong and how you've made oh so wonderful arguments against it. so I asked you how does that show me the catholic church DOESN'T interpret sabbath as weekly church attendance. so you decided to change your stance (you weakling) and said you never tried to tell me what the church teaches. but then you continue to ask where in the bible does it say sabbath means church, contradicting yourself once again.

So once again, I'll reiterate, try to follow this time: I acknowledged the catholics have a different view of what sabbath means, that's why I used the word "intrepret." however, you keep on asking me where in the bible does sabbath means church. I know it doesn't, but catholicism sees it as so. And seeing how that girl is claiming to be a true catholic, you should follow what it teaches, otherwise, she's not a catholic. Even then, you continue to argue and tell me how you've single-handedly knocked down catholic doctrines (go you) while missing the point that she's not a "true" catholic when she doesn't believe catholic ideologies. Really, is it really that hard to comprehend something so simple? Or are you trying to test my patience with utter and complete stupidity? If it's the latter, I commend you on the effort; if it's the former, I pity you.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

<< you hauled your ass into this thread and proceeded to tell me what the catholic church teaches >>

lol - here's where we are wrong. Note: we. I didn't intend to dictate what I believe that the catholic church believes. Sorry to have come across that way. We're missing eachother's points.

nik (thinks this is hilarious in re-reading it all)

 

[QueHuong]

<< Good day, Mindstorm. I already told you where to go. >>



Typical....

"You're wrong, you heathen!!!!! GOD WILL PUNISH YOU!!!! B/C YOU DONT' KNOW WHAT THE HELL....OOPS! (SORRY GOD, I MEANT 'HECK'), YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT."
"Ok, show me where I'm wrong."
"SHUT UP! YOU CHRISTIAN HATING HEATHEN YOU!!!! I'LL THROW THE HOLY BOOK AT YOUR HEAD UNTIL YOU BECOME A BELIEVER, I SWEAR I'LL DO IT. GO TO HELL, BITCH"
"You're still not showing me how I'm wrong."
"I ALREADY TOLD YOU WHERE TO GO!!! NOW DON'T MAKE ME WHIP OUT THE BOOK."
*Me gets clonked on the head by some crazy religious nutcase*

 

[Jzero]

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<< Good day, Mindstorm. I already told you where to go. >>



Typical.... >>


Which part of "If you would like to create another thread on why Catholics believe they must go to church every week, then by all means do so, and perhaps I'll take you up on it." are you still having trouble comprehending?
Thanks.

 

[QueHuong]

<< Which part of "If you would like to create another thread on why Catholics believe they must go to church every week, then by all means do so, and perhaps I'll take you up on it." are you still having trouble comprehending?
Thanks. >>



What is there to argue more about? The Catholic church believes keeping the sabbath means going to Sunday masses and that's that. And I was merely pointing out how some christians' perceptions can be screwed up (such as when they claim to be true and devout followers when they don't even agree with the doctrines). Then you proceeded to say I'm wrong. And ever since, I've been asking you to show me why. But apparently, you are still just saying how wrong I am and leaving it at that. Very insightful, jzero.

 

[AmdInside]

Going back to what I mentioned about my gf and I looking for a church, I used to attend my gf's church when we first got together for a few months. After a while, I could not stand it. Sure people there were nice and it was very lively but people seemed to be going their for the entertainment and to feel good. They wore very casual clothes (jeans, sports t-shirts, hats..blah blah blah). The church catored towards Standford students so many of the people going there were Standford students. While I don't want to say what they are doing is bad because I am not God, I feel I don't benefit from it. I attended their Bible studies and I honestly believe I was the most knowledgable person in the group. Whenever people commented, it usually had to do with how they were feeling. I did not gain any new knowledge from attending the Bible study. And they only had an actual Bible study once every two weeks. THe other times, they had games or reflections. I finally gave up and I told my gf that I wanted us to go to another church. We've been looking for weeks for a new church that we are both happy with and we are not having much luck. I would rather have people going to a church that is more lively if it helps them attend church but I feel many of these people are missing out on getting to know who God really is. They are also bringing down to their level instead of the other way around. We should be living our lives to please God, not changing God to please us.

 

[Jzero]

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<< Which part of "If you would like to create another thread on why Catholics believe they must go to church every week, then by all means do so, and perhaps I'll take you up on it." are you still having trouble comprehending?
Thanks. >>



What is there to argue about? The Catholic church believes keeping the sabbath means going to Sunday masses and that's that. And I was merely pointing out how some christians' perceptions can be screwed up (such as when they claim to be true and devout followers when they don't even agree with the doctrines). Then you proceeded to say I'm wrong. And ever since, I've been asking you to show me why I'm wrong. But apparently, you are still just saying how wrong I am and leaving it at that. Very insightful, jzero. >>


MINDSTORM:
START A NEW THREAD REGARDING THIS TOPIC AND I WILL TAKE YOU UP ON IT.
As a matter of fact, I never flat out said you were wrong, I said you you don't really understand what you're talking about. The Catholic idea that you have to show up for church every sunday is not 100% grounded in the commandment you quote.
Perhaps this can help you understand better.
Further, my beef with you is that you simply cannot resist the urge to derail an otherwise intelligent thread. Give up already.
And stop putting words in my mouth.
I'm stonewalling you b/c I want you to shut the f@ck up and confine your argument to a separate thread--it's unrelated.

 

[Gen Stonewall]

<< We should be living our lives to please God, not changing God to please us. >>



That's absolutely right. While I agree that a lively service is not necessarily a bad thing, it does become unholy when it uses sensationalism or entertainment as the focal point of the worship.

By the way, I have not seen a Bible verse regarding this subject: Someone needs to find one, as this would provide God's view on the matter.

 

[linuxboy]

Hi Nik, Darby, Dave and Jzero.


Cheers !

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Hi Linux!!

nik

 

[gopunk]

<< Hi Nik, Darby, Dave and Jzero.


Cheers ! >>




hehe, hi!

 

[QueHuong]

<< The Catholic idea that you have to show up for church every sunday is not 100% grounded in the commandment you quote.
Perhaps this can help you understand better. >>



Yes, I know all about that. However, the the catholic church still regards going to church every sunday is the primary way of keeping the sabbath, which I've been saying over and over, had you bother to not take my words out of context.



<< Further, my beef with you is that you simply cannot resist the urge to derail an otherwise intelligent thread. Give up already. I'm stonewalling you b/c I want you to shut the f@ck up and confine your argument to a separate thread--it's unrelated. >>


Go back and reread my posts you jumpy little fool. The post where you suddenly accused me off thread crapping was about when I gave an example of how someone can wrongly percieve their own faith. No, that wasn't irrelevant because that was related to the current discussion which dealt with the reasons for going to church and whatnot. Only when you provoked me with your bull was when I started to "derail" this thread, which you are just as guilty of.

 

[Jzero]

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<< The Catholic idea that you have to show up for church every sunday is not 100% grounded in the commandment you quote.
Perhaps this can help you understand better. >>



Yes, I know all about that. However, the the catholic church still regards going to church every sunday is the primary way of keeping the sabbath, which I've been saying over and over, had you bother to not take my words out of context.



<< Further, my beef with you is that you simply cannot resist the urge to derail an otherwise intelligent thread. Give up already. I'm stonewalling you b/c I want you to shut the f@ck up and confine your argument to a separate thread--it's unrelated. >>


Go back and reread my posts you jumpy little fool. The post where you suddenly accused me off thread crapping was about when I gave an example of how someone can wrongly percieve their own faith. No, that wasn't irrelevant because that was related to the current discussion which dealt with the reasons for going to church and whatnot. Only when you provoked me with your bull was when I started to "derail" this thread, which you are just as guilty of. >>


I'm guilty only of pandering to your nonsense. Your posts had a distinctively negative connotation from the start, which makes me doubly quick not to take you seriously.
As for taking words out of context, "Hi pot. You're black."
You can try and justify derailing the thread all you want. It started out loosely related to the topic at best, but it was more closely related to your original snide post and your equally snide and increasingly obnoxious replies.
Since you couldn't debate civilly and on-topic from the start, I don't expect you to start now, so I'll plonk you as I said I would before and foolishly did not.

 

[petrek]

G'day Linux

Dave

 

[IGBT]

Churchs..sheep pins for the sheepeol.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Yeah, what is with these casino-looking churches that are popping up everywhere. These preachers on televsion wearing jewelry and designer suits. Are we to believe that God thinks money is better spent catering to megalomania and superficials? What happened to spending money and resources on people in need?

It's hard to believe that anyone in a "relationship with God" would condone this, let alone have the audacity to call learning about him boring.

 

[HOWITIS]

ya, religon sux ass.

 

[Mikelh]

Christians are human, and they frequently dwell on fleshly things. Always have, always will. It's a weakness that will be with us until Christ returns and makes us perfect.

However, the TRUE Church of Jesus Christ is not brick and mortar, but one built by Christ Himself, through the power of the Holy Spirit who seeks and saves His people from their sins. It is a spiritual castle, ordained by God.

Jesus said, "I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Jesus didn't mean to build a wall against hell, but to physically and prayerfully move against the gates of hell, and they shall not prevail.

Man cannot build the church. Man can build a structure for people to worship God in corporate worship, but true worship is done in spirit and truth, not in the flesh. No Christian goes to church to be closer to God, a Christian is already indwelled by God Himself!



Michael

 

[Mikelh]

<< Does anyone else find it ironic that its the atheists and non-Church-goers that are telling the Christians what kind of Church to attend?

I don't eat sushi but I really think the Japanese should eat it with forks and not chopsticks... if they know whats good for them. >>



Ironic? No. I believe that God is moving on some of these people to seek the life changing Gospel.



Michael

 

[Capn]

And now the thread degrades to new levels of intelligent conversation, thank you IGBT and HOWITIS for your intelligent contributions.

EngineNr9, I've never seen a casino looking church, no doubt some exist though. However, that is a different issue. Many many churches these days have contemporary music and use multimedia in the service, I believe this is what the article was referring to. If it doesn't dilute the real message of the church, then if that's what the people want then that's what the churches will provide. Regarding your comments about religious study being boring, yes it can be, being religious doesn't change the fact that we're human. Since I'd gather that you're not religious, I don't see how you can even speak on the subject though.

 

[A5]

<< Atlanta has about a billion churches >>


The Church of the NOW! Bahahha...always see that when I'm going through town on I-20 and I still think it's hilarious