Mini Asus TV Tuner Card Review

JeSpre

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The card arrived from newegg today, as expected. I've had about an hour to play with it (hence mini-review). In the box is the card, A/V box (for s-video, rca video, and rca stereo (L&R)), remote, remote reciever, batteries, manual, audio link cable (tuner to sound card) and a ton of software.

Driver installation was as easy as it could possibly be. Cancel the windows new hardware prompt, and hit the install button on the cd-rom launcher. There's another button to install the remote software. I am not going to use the remote, but I tested it for this review. It worked fine. The reciever is USB, the cord is 3 or 4 feet, it uses 2 AAA batteries (included).

PowerVCR is the viewing/recording software and it seems like a great program so far. I've recorded a few test clips in both MPEG -I and -II. They both came out as expected according to bitrate. Video quality is outstanding. It blows away the TV-Wonder I had and is better than the TV-Wonder paired with DScaler, no doubt. My video source is DirecTV via S-video. I'll likely be watching some basketball tonight on this, so I'll see how it stands up to high-motion video.

There's other software included, probably 4 or 5 discs overall. Asus DVD and a video editing program are a couple that I remember. A very impressive software collection I would say. One reason I bought this card was because I had heard good things about PowerVCR, and I can see why.

Overall, this card seems to have met every expectation I had for it. Drivers being WHQL certified and working right out of the box? That's unheard of. This is a great video capture/tv tuner card. I'm not sure it's the best value out there (the leadtek deluxe may be for $20 cheaper), but there's no way there's any better card in this price range (sub $100).

For reference, my system is an AthlonXP 1600+ @ 1900+, 512MB, GeForce3 Ti200, Windows2000 SP3. I'll field any questions you have on this card, just post. I may post some screenshots sometime if I get a chance.
 

kgraeme

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1. Is the video screen fully resizeable or is it limited to set resolutions?
2. Does it support full screen video, hiding the task bar and all?
3. How do you go from small screen to full screen? (e.g. Can you double-click on the viewable area to make it go full screen and back?)
4. Can the mouse wheel control the volume?
5. Does it have any built-in EPG to make it useful for intelligent PVR?
 

JeSpre

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1. Is the video screen fully resizeable or is it limited to set resolutions?

Yes, a button switches between small and large (320x240 and 640x480 i think), but it is manually resizeable by dragging to any height or width.

2. Does it support full screen video, hiding the task bar and all?

Yes.

3. How do you go from small screen to full screen? (e.g. Can you double-click on the viewable area to make it go full screen and back?)

Double click or right click --> full screen.

4. Can the mouse wheel control the volume?

I don't think so. With the control panel selected, scrolling the mouse isn't adjusting anything.

5. Does it have any built-in EPG to make it useful for intelligent PVR?

Yes, although I haven't gone through any of this yet, it is a listed feature. Clicking on CyberEPG on the "Power Bar" takes you to titantv.com where you set up a profile, etc.
 

chizow

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I bought this card on Sunday based largely on the overclockers Australia review as well as JeSpre's mini review here, and must say both are entirely accurate. I got the PCTV tuner card from CompUSA last week with their sale, and was very disappointed in its quality. I sent it back b/c it just left too much to be desired. Poor picture quality, buggy Win2K drivers and software, no support, and a lack of features and software led me to the Asus purchase.

I have absolutely no regrets even though I will end up paying about 2.5x as much for this card as I would have paid AR for the Pinnacle. The card itself is very well built, low-profile, but deep, with a very beefy and quality looking Phillips tv tuner and Asus' trademark yellow PCB. It also features Conexant's new 10-bit decoder/encoder chip, the 3830. Only complaint I would have is that like lower quality tv tuner cards, you have to connect to your sound card via external mini port. An internal connector would have been nice.

Again, as JeSpre said, software is excellent and I haven't even gotten to test out half of it. Its all Cyberlink software, so you can expect the same quality as you would find in their well-known PowerDVD software. The only hitch I had in installing the software was that I had to enter each keycode, which is not plainly obvious :( Its actually the serial number ( S/N ) on the silk screening of the CD itself!!! I had to launch the software, then eject and enter the CD Key, then reinsert the CD...whatsup with that?!?!?!? :confused:

Remote is typical of a tv tuner, very functional with tons of tiny little keys to fumble with. They control the features of the software very well, with 1 touch commands for many features. Again, the remote uses 2 AAA batteries and the receiver connects via USB port. One annoying thing is that you have to have the PowerVCR player window or Powerbar selected for the remote to work. Another funny little Easter Egg is that if you are typing and attempt to change the volume or channel, you get p, n, + or - coming up in the text fields :) I guess thats the signal the software processes for next, previous and up and down :)

Whoa!!! Very cool feature I just found while messing with the controller.... the remote doubles as a mouse!!! LoL...there are two keys that indicate mouse right and mouse left on either side of an infinite direction analog pad. Of course mouse refresh rates are nothing close to that of a real mouse b/c it seems like it has to rapidly send signals for each action. Definitely a nice feature though, as you can control your desktop while lying in bed :)

I haven't finished playing with the rest of the software, so I can't comment too much more about it. One more weird/annoying thing: the stereo setting isn't in the settings panel anywhere, you have to activate stereo from the PowerVCR panel in a swingout menu on the way right under "TV Tuner Control". I also considered the Leadtek Winfast 2000XP as I also heard about excellent reviews of that card. I was looking for excellent picture and driver support, and the Asus 880 provides it in spades, the excellent software, features, and remote functionality are just bonus.

Chiz
 

Lint21

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Great reviews, guys, thanks a ton for the info.

Has anyone tried this card with a dual monitor setup? Also, I wonder if you can set the tv picture as your wallpaper?
 

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I bought this card and it's everything these guys say it is. The picture quality is great, the software is great and I've not had ANY problems with it at all. Best TV card I've ever owned, hands down. The remote is also very impressive and I've never used one with this level of functionality.

I have not tried this with a dual-monitor setup and I don't think you can set it as your wallpaper.
 

delta4

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This is defintely the best I have tried. I have tried several that are horrible.

I was going to go for the Leadtek as I heard that is quite nice but decided to wait for this since my mobo and vid card are ASUS. I figured might as welll keep it all ASUS.

This works great only had one problem. Everytime I shut off the included Power VCRII app, it automatically muted the line in on the volume mixer. So the next time I opened Power VCRII I would have to open the volume mixer and unclick mute for line in. VERY ANNOYING! Anyone find a fix for this?

I downloaded ASUS DVCR 2.353 from ASUS website and it works fine. I dont know why they don't include that on the tv tuner disk, it comes with the 8460 Ti4600 vid cards. I am using that instead of Power VCRII. The only complaint is that the little volume slider control on the application control panel controls the mono slider on my volume mixer regardless if I set it for mono or line in. If anyone knows the reg hack to make it control the line in slider I would appreciate it.

I am using it with dual monitors, yes you can using the tv as wallpaper, it will only wall paper the #1 monitorm, #2 will be black.

After driver setup in device manager you will see 3 entries,
ASUS TV880 Tuner
ASUS TV880 Video Capture
and AVER Crossbar (or something like that)
click on the Aver crossbar and choose to manually install driver from the list and you will see the ASUSTV880 Crossbar in the list. Choose that and now you will be all ASUS! Windows XP update will want you to change it back, I wouldn't. I assume ASUS took the 3rd party driver and branded it and they made have made tweaks as well.



 

Lint21

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Hey Delta, that's cool, thanks for the info! Question about your dual monitor setup: are you using a dualhead card or an AGP plus a PCI card? And are you able to watch TV on the second monitor ok?
 

delta4

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Hi Lint,
I have the ASUS 8460 Ti 4600 dualhead card. No the ASUS DVCR app don't play on the second monitor by itself. If I drag the application to the 2nd monitor you can still hear it but it goes black. However if you have the latest 40.72 nvidia drivers you can go into the advanced setup and enable "Full Screen Video Mirroring Control" then when you open the app on screen 1 it shows on the app window and also is full screen on the second window! That is pretty cool, web surf and watch your TV show off to the side.

I think that when I had Power VCRII on for that short time I think it allowed the app to run on screen 2, but Im not sure.
 

delta4

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Hello All,

Just a note, I just put in the official released DirectX 9 and it totally hosed the tv tuner. Did a system restore to get back to 8.1 and it still is not working right, can get it to come up the first time after bootup. If you click it a second time after having closed it you can here the tv but the app is not there to control it, have to reboot to shut the app off.

Oh well, time for a reformat.:disgust::disgust:
 

MrPabulum

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I've been looking to get a nice tv tuner. Gotta watch cable tv on the nice Samsung 900NF :D
 

JeSpre

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I installed DX9 and don't have any problems. Including launching multiple times between reboots.
W2KSP3.
 

delta4

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Hi JeSpre,
Glad to here it went good for you.

So many variables of course always hard to nail down the problem.

I have an ASUS Ti4600 with 40.72 drivers on P4B266-E 2.4gig, stock no overclock. What is your vid system?

Jeff

Oops, just got my answer from the top of the page. Hmm, must solve this problem.
 

delta4

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Hello JeSpre,

I hooked up another hardrive that also had WIN2KSP3 and yes it seemed to work better with DX9 and ASUS DVCR 2.352 than WINXP did.


I went back to my WINXP and put DX9 back in again and reinstalled PowerVCRII and that works fine with DX9 so looks like ASUS DVCR is the culprit as it does not like DX9.

I also discovered a fix to my original problem of having to open the volume mixer to activate line in every time. In the setup page just had to change tuner playback source to line in from the default of mono in and it starts up the sound just fine every time.
 

chizow

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Sounds like you fixed your prob :)

I'm using PVCR2 on WinXP and haven't had any issues, so you're probably right.

Chiz
 

JeSpre

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That's good that you got it figured out. I do notice that the display takes a little longer to initialize with DX9, but it's only a couple of seconds. Not a big deal as long as it works.
 

chizow

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Just an FYI, I put in a Radeon 9700pro and had some really bad issues with my Tuner card. Turns out, you have to use the Avermedia Crossbar update with Windows Update for XP. Also, in the video overlay section of the ATI control panel, I had to enable "theater" mode.

Chiz
 

UncleWai

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I just bought a Leadtek Tv2000xp. Has anyone used both cards and can tell me if I should return the leadtek and get this asus one?
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: UncleWai
I just bought a Leadtek Tv2000xp. Has anyone used both cards and can tell me if I should return the leadtek and get this asus one?

If you already bought the Leadtek, I'd stick with it. I had a bad experience with a card based on the same Conexant chip, so I didn't want to leave anything to chance and got this card. However, Pinnacle is notorious for crap drivers and poor support, which is an area the Leadtek does well with (esp. Win2K and XP). I also like the software package and included accessories with the Asus. Also saw some cold/warm comments on the Leadtek, so again, I didn't want to take any chances. Excellent user-feedback and a great review from Overclockers Australia (which has since disappeared) convinced me to spend an extra $20 for something that would perform the way I expected it to.

Chiz
 

UncleWai

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I didn't open it, I am asking Newegg if they will charge me a restocking fee.
If not, I will use the airborne express coupon and dish the card back to them and get the asus.
I thought the leadtek uses the conexant 10bit chip, stupid me.
 

Squalish2357

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Originally posted by: UncleWai
I didn't open it, I am asking Newegg if they will charge me a restocking fee.
If not, I will use the airborne express coupon and dish the card back to them and get the asus.
I thought the leadtek uses the conexant 10bit chip, stupid me.

Umm.. Am I missing something? Previous poster said you'd be fine with the Leadtek.

 

UncleWai

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Originally posted by: Squalish2357
Umm.. Am I missing something? Previous poster said you'd be fine with the Leadtek.


I know, but the little voice inside my head keeps telling me to get the Asus one because of the new 10bit chip.
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: UncleWai
Originally posted by: Squalish2357
Umm.. Am I missing something? Previous poster said you'd be fine with the Leadtek.


I know, but the little voice inside my head keeps telling me to get the Asus one because of the new 10bit chip.


If they don't charge you restocking, $20 more is well worth peace of mind IMO.

Chiz
 

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So how does this card stack up against the aiw 9700pro, Tuner wise? It looks as though the ASUS has all of the same features as the AIW?