Millionaire Ranks Hit New High

Riprorin

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The Wall Street Journal Online
By Robert Frank

Fueled by Investment Gains, Growth
In Number of Households Is Highest Since 1998

The number of millionaires in the U.S. increased to a record last year, boosted by gains in stocks and global financial markets, according to two new studies.

The number of U.S. households with a net worth of $1 million or more rose 21% in 2004, according to a survey released yesterday by Spectrem Group, a wealth-research firm in Chicago. It is the largest increase since 1998, according to the study, which was based on data from more than 450 qualified respondents. There now are 7.5 million millionaire households in the U.S., breaking the record set in 1999 of 7.1 million. The study excluded the value of primary residences, but included second homes and other real estate.

A separate study, also released yesterday, by Boston Consulting Group found that the U.S. continues to lead the world in creating new millionaires. The number of households in the U.S. with liquid assets of $20 million or more is increasing by 3,000 households a year.

The studies suggest that despite falling wages for nonmanagement employees in 2004, the fortunes of those at the top continued to rise. Unlike many wage earners, the wealthy rely on investments for much of their increasing wealth. They also tend to invest in higher-risk and potentially faster-growing investments, including hedge funds, private-equity funds and debt instruments.

The findings mark the second straight year of growth for millionaires in the U.S. After rising rapidly in the late 1990s, the fortunes of the wealthy tumbled with the bear market of 2001 and 2002. Last year, however, with the economy expanding and stocks recovering, the wealthy staged a comeback.

The surveys also show that despite growing pessimism among wealthy investors about the outlook for the economy, the rich continue to increase in both numbers and in wealth.

"People's attitudes toward the economy are so negative, but the reality is that the affluent are bouncing back to where they were before the bear market," says Catherine McBreen, managing director of Spectrem.

Economists question, though, whether the wealth boom will continue in 2005. Stock markets have swung wildly this year, and many are predicting slower growth -- and potentially even losses -- in hedge funds.

Reflecting their doubts about the future of the financial markets and the economy, the affluent continue to hold large amounts of cash. The Spectrem survey showed that 9% of their assets were in cash deposits.

Millionaire Ranks Hit New High

Hope to be there myself in the not too distant future.

A separate study, also released yesterday, by Boston Consulting Group found that the U.S. continues to lead the world in creating new millionaires.

I'm glad I live in the land of opportunity!

 

conjur

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Hedge-funds? More and more economists and investor watch sites are warning hedge-funds are on the brink of collapse.

Personal net worth on the rise? Three words:

Real Estate Bubble



And, inflation is making that $1 million more and more meaningless.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Topic Title: Millionaire Ranks Hit New High
Topic Summary: Congrats to those who have reached this milestone

I'm glad I live in the land of opportunity!

Where's American pride???

This money is not earned by hard work, it's all scam money, so sad :(
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: conjur
Hedge-funds? More and more economists and investor watch sites are warning hedge-funds are on the brink of collapse.
Links? (Out of curiosity)
 

conjur

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AntaresVI

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Topic Title: Millionaire Ranks Hit New High
Topic Summary: Congrats to those who have reached this milestone

I'm glad I live in the land of opportunity!

Where's American pride???

This money is not earned by hard work, it's all scam money, so sad :(

again, you have no idea what you're talking about.
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
What's the difference between a hedge fund and a mutual fund?


a hedge fund manager can use high risk financial products to gain a maximum win (or loss)
a mutual fund manager has to follow some rules to minimize some of the risks
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Infohawk
What's the difference between a hedge fund and a mutual fund?


a hedge fund manager can use high risk financial products to gain a maximum win (or loss)
a mutual fund manager has to follow some rules to minimize some of the risks

I read that mutual funds do worse on average that than the S&P.
 

AntaresVI

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Infohawk
What's the difference between a hedge fund and a mutual fund?


a hedge fund manager can use high risk financial products to gain a maximum win (or loss)
a mutual fund manager has to follow some rules to minimize some of the risks

I read that mutual funds do worse on average that than the S&P.

Yeah, it really is ridiculous when you get down to it - around 75% fail to beat the market.

http://www.investorguide.com/igufundintro.html
 

conjur

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I suppose 12 monkeys picking stocks at random could do better than some fund managers. ;)
 

Zebo

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You do hope to be there? Lots of people got a express ticket to hell.:D

"Truly, I say unto you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 19:23

If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven." Matthew 19:21

"You cannot serve both God and Money." Matthew 6:24
 

Riprorin

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In context:

19:16
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

19:18
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19:19
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

19:20
The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

19:21
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

19:22
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

19:23
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

19:24
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

19:25
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

19:27
Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

19:29
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

19:30
But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
In context:

19:16
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

19:18
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19:19
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

19:20
The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

19:21
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

19:22
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

19:23
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

19:24
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

19:25
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

19:27
Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

19:29
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

19:30
But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

so are you denying that you are going to rot in hell for eternity?
 

kogase

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Rip, how does the context change the implication of the quote? Your presenting the whole passage doesn't change the meaning of that saying.
 

HombrePequeno

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
What's the difference between a hedge fund and a mutual fund?

A hedge fund is a partnership between up to 99 people. A mutual fund is limited by the fact that it can only have up to 5% of its portfolio in any one stock. A hedge fund gets around that and can put as much as it wants in a stock. Because of this, the gains can be significantly higher than a mutual fund but those possible gains come with a lot higher risk.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: kogase
Rip, how does the context change the implication of the quote? Your presenting the whole passage doesn't change the meaning of that saying.

What Jesus says here is to a particular individual under a particular set of circumstances. Therefore, some of Jesus' statements are not globally applicable to everyone.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: kogase
Rip, how does the context change the implication of the quote? Your presenting the whole passage doesn't change the meaning of that saying.

What Jesus says here is to a particular individual under a particular set of circumstances. Therefore, some of Jesus' statements are not globally applicable to everyone.

yeah. screw all that love thy neighbor and golden rule crap.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: kogase
Rip, how does the context change the implication of the quote? Your presenting the whole passage doesn't change the meaning of that saying.

What Jesus says here is to a particular individual under a particular set of circumstances. Therefore, some of Jesus' statements are not globally applicable to everyone.

So basically you weasel out of the parts of the bible you can't deal with? That or you are burning in hell...
 

Riprorin

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Well, no.

You have to look at statements within their context.

I believe that's common sensical.