Millennials lack basic survival skills

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brianmanahan

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It's not like your pomes will make you famous...anywhere but here... :p

i think my only shot at people remembering me is to make up a super witty, poignant or sad tombstone pome

i've been trying to think of one and if i do, it's going in my will
 

Fingolfin269

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How can I tell you've got no experience buying and using paper maps? Because they were updated yearly, much like the GPS's are today. Amazing, isn't it? Updating maps on a yearly basis? Who'd have thought such a thing could be done?

So you're the one who buys a new paper map every year.
 

MongGrel

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They ran up the national debt more than any other generation in history and now they're leaving millenials to pay for it.

Well, that was pretty amusing :)

I take it you mean they worked their ass off at the time and got raped later in life by corporate America.

Then the middle class was virtually wiped out in the process, and America is a shadow of what it was as far as manufacturing, and Trump is not going to make it great again and really has not solid plans to do so ?

Stack Medicare etc on top of those "Socialist" commie programs like the ACA.

You should perhaps come with more ammo.
 
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xthetenth

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The difference is that if thrust into that situation they would adapt quickly. Millennials would not. Millennials are deficit like 10 years+ life experience at this point and it is quite insurmountable for most of them to catch up.

A boomer or a Gen X'er might not know exactly how to make a fire but I'm sure they'd have 2-3 ideas. When they fail the first time they wouldn't collapse into a useless lump, like a millennial. They have the experience of past failures to rebound quickly and keep trying.

Thats the difference.

Millennials aren't bad people, just very annoying. Like having a book club with the book of life experience, and millennials are still on the first chapter. Every week they come in and still, stuck on that first chapter.

Thanks, this was super informative. It's great to know that my 65 year old father is a millenial, as are multiple 60+ year old coworkers. I've never seen people just switch from having an idea to utterly locking up as fast as them.

Alternately you aren't recognizing life experience because it doesn't fit into what you consider it to be, and are feeding your confirmation bias on a constant diet of smuggery because honest self-criticism hurts and why do that when you can feel superior?

Well, that was pretty amusing :)

I take it you mean they worked their ass off at the time and got raped later in life by corporate America.

Then the middle class was virtually wiped out in the process, and America is a shadow of what it was as far as manufacturing, and Trump is not going to make it great again and really has not solid plans to do so ?

Stack Medicare etc on top of those "Socialist" commie programs like the ACA.

You should perhaps come with more ammo.

You're living in the world that is the result of your generation's actions. You sold yourselves out to corporate America because you were easy marks and were all too happy to turn on each other. You eviscerated government programs because they're "socialist" and invited the companies to feast on your money and only now do you start to realize that things have gone horribly wrong, just in time to blame it on the generation that wasn't even born when the ball really started rolling with Reagan, and who have to work their ass off and consider whether to go into debt just to get a crack at a slice of a shrinking pie.
 
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Wuzup101

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I'm not sure that I'd consider these missing life skills. I'm on the older side of the "millennial" generation (born in 1984).

- More than half were not able to tie a single knot? More like more than half were unable to tie an obscure knot that honestly has only a few limited uses (sheepshank)? I'm pretty sure all those millennials were able to tie their shoes... and that's a knot. Knowing how to tie specific knots in and of itself is a speciality skill that you develop if needed. I'm an avid camper (probably spend 30 or so nights in a tent minimum on any given year), and I've never had any reason to tie a sheepshank.

- What is "spark a flame by natural means" exactly? Is that, start a fire without matches or a lighter, or is that make a bow drill and create embers? Make char cloth and find natural flint to use to light your tinder? I've done the bow drill thing (for fun while camping because... camping) but everyone and their brother who goes hiking / camping usually has multiple easy ways to make fire (i.e. knife and fire steel). I wouldn't exactly consider using a magnifying glass or using a knife + fire steel "natural." I would venture to guess that the VAST majority of people who go camping or backpacking in the US have never started a fire with a bow drill or things they 100% find in nature. Not that they couldn't, just that there isn't much of a reason to.... even if you don't have matches. It's more of a fun thing to do if you are into survival stuff.

- Fishing and hunting are, and have been, largely a hobby/sport for multiple generations since the invention of refrigeration. To my knowledge, the only area in the US where substance fishing / hunting is legal is Alaska in remote areas or for religious / tribal reasons. Now, there may certainly be other areas / states, but in general state game laws (specifically bag and creel limits and seasons) would make it difficult to live off the land so to speak (especially if you are providing for a family). I grew up fishing, have a solid knowledge of firearms, know some basic game tracking skills and can dress game / clean fish / etc... I think I could provide for myself if I was in a remote enough area if shit hit the fan; however, I'd be hard pressed to provide for a family (I'm single) and the area where I live, while rural-ish (25 or so miles outside a major metro area), would get hunted / fished out FAST.

- I don't know a single person, young or old, who doesn't prefer GPS / google maps / etc... to paper maps. The only paper maps that I own are national park / forrest / hiking / trail maps (and I typically have those for any place that I plan to spend some time hiking in). For normal driving, I use GPS / digital maps because they are superior to paper and allow you to focus on driving. That doesn't mean I don't know how to use a map (lets face it, google maps without the GPS guided directions IS the same thing as a paper map). It's not like it's different reading street names on a digital screen vs paper. We aren't talking about orienteering with a compass out in the woods (and yes I know how to use a compass).

- The swimming thing doesn't surprise me. I do know people both young and old (but more young) that don't know how to swim. Frankly, that's a shame, and a skill everyone should know (just swimming in general). I'm willing to bet that the number of people who are good at swimming in "open water" is very low (both young and old). That's an acquired skill... and it's not like the vast majority of people, even if they are good open water swimmers, are going to swim from the UK to mainland Europe in a survival situation lol. I've swam in plenty of lakes, but I certainly would be uncomfortable if you just plopped me in the ocean.
 

HumblePie

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Meh..

Basically the reality is it boils down to

Grow up in the country and learn the country.
Grow up in the city and learn the city.

Generation doesn't matter. Just that more and more people grow up in the city as opposed to the country every generation. Has been that way for a very long time.
 

OverVolt

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The shit-eating grin millennials who are eternally hopeful for the future with a mediocre job, no assets, and are financially forced to delay kids, marriage, and actual ownership of anything are the ones who are screwed. They don't realize how screwed their progress in life has become still holding out for that rung on the middle class at age 30.

Lower-middle class blue-collarish has it going on.

The remnants of the ones raised by the boomers are screwed.

Their expectations are too high and they don't have the toughness and grit to actually get theirs, and keep it.
 

IronWing

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The shit-eating grin millennials who are eternally hopeful for the future with a mediocre job, no assets, and are financially forced to delay kids, marriage, and actual ownership of anything are the ones who are screwed. They don't realize how screwed their progress in life has become still holding out for that rung on the middle class at age 30.

Lower-middle class blue-collarish has it going on.

The remnants of the ones raised by the boomers are screwed.

Their expectations are too high and they don't have the toughness and grit to actually get theirs, and keep it.
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K1052

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The shit-eating grin millennials who are eternally hopeful for the future with a mediocre job, no assets, and are financially forced to delay kids, marriage, and actual ownership of anything are the ones who are screwed. They don't realize how screwed their progress in life has become still holding out for that rung on the middle class at age 30.

Lower-middle class blue-collarish has it going on.

The remnants of the ones raised by the boomers are screwed.

Their expectations are too high and they don't have the toughness and grit to actually get theirs, and keep it.

Baby boomers are arrogant, entitled, selfish, FYGM fucks riding the coattails of the previous generation that will sell the future down the river because it's convenient for them while cuntily bitching at the younger generation for being saps enough to get stuck cleaning up their mess.

Am I doing this right?
 

HeXen

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You guys are morons I swear. ONLY 2000 millennials were surveyed. 2000 people...get real. I can survey 2000 old people that can't tie, chew their own food or can't even read a book. Hell I work with a guy over 50 that cannot read. Only morons take pathetic surveys like this with any seriousness whatsoever.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Baby boomers are arrogant, entitled, selfish, FYGM fucks riding the coattails of the previous generation that will sell the future down the river because it's convenient for them while cuntily bitching at the younger generation for being saps enough to get stuck cleaning up their mess.

Am I doing this right?

No, you didn't demand a safe space where you won't have to see Baby Boomers and Gen X'ers and deal with the fact that they have accomplished things.
 

Amused

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It never fails. Every new generation is shit on by the former as being somehow broken or horrible in some way, and in turn blame their former generation for all their ills.

And the cycle continues...

Remember this anytime you wish to lump an entire generation together and judge them.

In fact, I find it a kind of marker of lazy intellect when done.
 

skyking

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It never fails. Every new generation is shit on by the former as being somehow broken or horrible in some way, and in turn blame their former generation for all their ills.

And the cycle continues...

Remember this anytime you wish to lump an entire generation together and judge them.

In fact, I find it a kind of marker of lazy intellect when done.
who said you could post in here? I already said I was amused :p
 

GagHalfrunt

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It never fails. Every new generation is shit on by the former as being somehow broken or horrible in some way, and in turn blame their former generation for all their ills.

And the cycle continues...

Remember this anytime you wish to lump an entire generation together and judge them.

In fact, I find it a kind of marker of lazy intellect when done.

Is it a stereotype of geezers screaming "turn down that blasted music and stay off my lawn!!" or does it really have some substance? Yeah, every generation thinks they have it figured out and the one following is a bunch of degenerate slackers. But looking at things logically, the WWII generation, the greatest generation, kicked ass. They were hard working, brave, dealt with a lot and turned this country from a sleepy little hick village into the preeminent superpower. They deserved to beat their chest a little and the baby boomers didn't accomplish as much.

Hell, they couldn't, they didn't face the same challenges. Maybe they could have done as well, but they never got the chance to rise up to face something monumental. But give them their due. They were hard workers, people who didn't mind dirt under their fingernails, people who built homes, took pride in a job well done, had interest in community and trying to give their kids an even better life. And they succeeded.

The Gen Xers turned up their nose at REAL work. They (and I'm one of them and own this) started to lose their way. Hard work was for other people, manufacturing was blue collar, it was for hicks, uneducated, people worse than us, the educated elite. We let this country down. We were not as hard workers as the boomers, we wanted the easy way and they gave it to us because the WWII generation gave it to them. The Gen X had it good and went off the deep end to create some soft of Utopian wonderland for the Millennials, a world free of anyone who disagreed with them, free of adversity, free of effort leading to reward, free of the satisfaction of a job well done.

And the Millennials have failed even more. We wanted maximum reward for minimum work, they want everything handed to them with no work at all. They're proud of having no skills, they're proud of having no jobs, they think the epitome of life is to be a spectator while other people do things. Maybe, just maybe, each generation is right to piss on the one following it. We have become lazier, more smug, more entitled, more PC, more expecting of everything being handed to us conflict free, more demanding of a world sanitized for our protection. The greatest generation had a right to look down on the Boomers. The Boomers had a right to look down on us Gen Xers and we have a right to look down on Millennials. Every generation we become somewhat less than we were before.
 

K1052

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Generations are already lumped together.

That's the point.

The broader point was not giving into the inertia of blaming those who came before you and dumping on the new guys just because they aren't from your particular slice of time. Admittedly as a millennial this is harder than it sounds since getting dumped on constantly for the fact that I was a tad later emerging from a vagina than they were makes me somehow automatically a lesser person isn't conducive to breaking the cycle. I can only try and hope that I'm more generous to my successors.
 

brianmanahan

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maybe the world really is just getting worse.

that's what most everyone older than me tells me. it was so much better back in the day.

it's kind of depressing though. it seems like life starts out good, and then it slowly gets worse and worse over time, and then you die.

that is the vibe that i am picking up.
 
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Is it a stereotype of geezers screaming "turn down that blasted music and stay off my lawn!!" or does it really have some substance? Yeah, every generation thinks they have it figured out and the one following is a bunch of degenerate slackers. But looking at things logically, the WWII generation, the greatest generation, kicked ass. They were hard working, brave, dealt with a lot and turned this country from a sleepy little hick village into the preeminent superpower. They deserved to beat their chest a little and the baby boomers didn't accomplish as much.

Hell, they couldn't, they didn't face the same challenges. Maybe they could have done as well, but they never got the chance to rise up to face something monumental. But give them their due. They were hard workers, people who didn't mind dirt under their fingernails, people who built homes, took pride in a job well done, had interest in community and trying to give their kids an even better life. And they succeeded.

The Gen Xers turned up their nose at REAL work. They (and I'm one of them and own this) started to lose their way. Hard work was for other people, manufacturing was blue collar, it was for hicks, uneducated, people worse than us, the educated elite. We let this country down. We were not as hard workers as the boomers, we wanted the easy way and they gave it to us because the WWII generation gave it to them. The Gen X had it good and went off the deep end to create some soft of Utopian wonderland for the Millennials, a world free of anyone who disagreed with them, free of adversity, free of effort leading to reward, free of the satisfaction of a job well done.

And the Millennials have failed even more. We wanted maximum reward for minimum work, they want everything handed to them with no work at all. They're proud of having no skills, they're proud of having no jobs, they think the epitome of life is to be a spectator while other people do things. Maybe, just maybe, each generation is right to piss on the one following it. We have become lazier, more smug, more entitled, more PC, more expecting of everything being handed to us conflict free, more demanding of a world sanitized for our protection. The greatest generation had a right to look down on the Boomers. The Boomers had a right to look down on us Gen Xers and we have a right to look down on Millennials. Every generation we become somewhat less than we were before.

Ok, so you want to judge some weird "quality" of generation then straight up say that other generations are worse because they didn't even get the test? What kind of sense does that make?

I don't think you fully understand what looking at something logically means. Because you say you're doing that and then proceed to dismiss most information in your reasoning.

The "greatest generation" was also to blame for the shit they had to fix. Unless you're going to be one of those that tries to regulate things such that they only support what you want (i.e. thinking the greatest generation includes only the good guys, and not you know the Nazis, Soviets, and Imperial Japanese; also let's not forget the blatantly racist and fascist people that were in the US, doing things like Japanese internment camps, McCarthyism, trying to resist treating people as humans because they're a different race). Things are bit more complex than you act (an understatement to say the least, and why trying to simplify things into "generations" in general is a stupid fucking thing). Let's not forget, America wanted to stay the fuck out of WWII. What great people! So much courage! Also odd, how the Soviet Union is really who beat the Nazis (they were responsible for ~3/4+ of Nazi casualties). Or how about the fact that we heavily used Nazi scientists to get our space program going? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT9GuLK7rME

Uh, America was far from a sleepy little hick village (and its not like the rest of the world was any better), and as for us becoming a super power we literally just reaped the rewards from the fact that we were isolated from most of the havoc wreaked around the rest of the world.

A lot of the stuff you're giving them credit for is just the progress of technology. And the fact is, its not like the average "greatest generation" member was the reason for those. They did get to reap the benefits though (much like you're now criticizing later generations for doing, but hey its not like just about every single aspect of your argument is hypocritical or anything...).

Yeah they're proud of not having jobs, I guess that's why they somehow also get blamed for allegedly constantly complaining about not being able to get jobs? Which is it? Wait, they want to be spectators, but isn't that the total opposite of them being the "me, me, me" generation? They want to be spectators but they're also the assholes so self absorbed that they're cataloguing every aspect of their life? Can you people even keep your nonsensical strawmen consistent?

No, because its consistently shown that them pissing on the newer generation is total bullshit and not based on reality? Nah, let's not let facts get in the way of the bullshit narratives that we want to believe.

People became lazier because literally the previous gens built a world requiring it. For fuck's sakes you people complain how kids now can't sit still nowadays. WTF? More smug? Are you shitting me? "Greatest generation" nothing smug about that... More entitled? I keep seeing people say that but its almost always conjecture with no real substance. Entitled to what exactly? That people should be treated well, have access to health care and education? But goddamnit they're spoiled brat idiots that don't care about anyone else! But according to you, apparently now they don't feel entitled, they brag about not having anything? More PC? Because they feel that people of various races, genders, sexual orientations, deserve equal rights and not to be insulted and marginalized?

The thing is, if you think that is true, who's fault is that? There's an obvious trend in that narrative, and what it shows is that the previous gens are the problem and the reason why the successive ones are worse. In your eyes somehow progress apparently peaked with the greatest generation and we've been regressing ever since (but it is also each new generations fault for that). So, Millennials will be shit for not fixing all of the problems the previous gens caused but also test themselves by creating and overcoming the worst ones humanity has ever faced.
 

Exterous

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It never fails. Every new generation is shit on by the former as being somehow broken or horrible in some way, and in turn blame their former generation for all their ills.

And the cycle continues...

Just because its said over and over again doesn't mean one or the other can't ever be true. Not saying thats the case here just that there have been cases where thats been true

The Gen Xers turned up their nose at REAL work. They (and I'm one of them and own this) started to lose their way. Hard work was for other people, manufacturing was blue collar, it was for hicks, uneducated, people worse than us, the educated elite.

The older generation has their fair share of the blame for that.

'We're going to pay for college because you need college to be successful,'" Gov. Cuomo

Cuomo is no Gen Xer but disparages hard working tradesmen by claiming you can only find success in life with a certain piece of paper. It's likely not his intent but the message is there. Gen Xers didn't suddenly come up with the idea that college and white collar jobs were 'better' when it became time to apply for colleges - it was a consistent message to them before hand and continues still. Parents aren't against blue collar work in general but they don't want it for their kids so their kids should go to college.