Milk: Good for you or not?

[ShadowOfMyself]

I dont know about scientific details, but everyone around here grows up being told milk is good for calcium, same for yogurts and to a lesser extent cheese

I dont see european population having a lower life expectancy compared to the US, so Id venture to guess they are right

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
There is a strong connection between milk and acne.

dammit seriously? Figures, had acne kind of bad during my high school days.. always liked milk.

 

[fstime]

I drink milk daily.

The stuff I get says the cows have not been given any hormones or anti-biotics on the label.

Also lists the cows diet, which is 100% natural.

-and these fanatics saying too much milk is bad, get over your selves, too much of everything is bad for you. Everything in moderation.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: cjchaps
I see the NDC has gotten to most of you sheep. Cow Juice is unnatural for humans to drink. It also explains the rise of cancer, obesity, and heart disease in this country. It's better to get your calcium from veggies than milk. Ice cream tastes good.

<puts on flame suit and runs away>

http://www.notmilk.com/

Yes. Milk explains the increase in cancer, obesity, and heart disease. Because way back when most of the country was subsistence farmers, no-one drank milk at all. And they certainly didn't drink raw whole milk. :roll:

ZV

If he had said high fructose corn syrup explains the rise in cancer, obesity, and heart disease, he would have been much more factually correct. Theres absolutely no real evidence backing his claim. Now theres plenty of evidence that the wide spread use of high fructose corn syrup is the leading cause of obesity, and as a result heart disease. There are some studies on cancer as well.

 

[oiprocs]

I get the sh!ts/runs/juices flowin' when I drink milk. So I avoid it, good for me or not.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: cjchaps
I see the NDC has gotten to most of you sheep. Cow Juice is unnatural for humans to drink. It also explains the rise of cancer, obesity, and heart disease in this country. It's better to get your calcium from veggies than milk. Ice cream tastes good.

<puts on flame suit and runs away>

http://www.notmilk.com/

Yes. Milk explains the increase in cancer, obesity, and heart disease. Because way back when most of the country was subsistence farmers, no-one drank milk at all. And they certainly didn't drink raw whole milk. :roll:

ZV

Farmers 100 years ago rarely lived long enough to get cancer. Obesity is a function of caloric intake.

Dairy is good. Yogurt, cheeses, whey etc etc are all good and healthy. Some cream in your morning coffee, a splash of milk in your cereal, a glass of milk here and there, and the rare ice cream cone are all perfectly fine. Drinking glass after glass of straight milk all day every day, like USDA recommends, is not at all healthy.

Theres absolutely NOTHING wrong with the 2-3 8oz dairy serving recommendation the USDA gives.

24oz of skim milk has 270 calories.

 

[AliasX]

I drink whole milk. My doctor told me to.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: torpid
Does the USDA recommend that, or just milk marketing organizations?

http://www.health.gov/dietaryg...ment/html/chapter5.htm

While the actual amount recommended is 3 cups per day, I think they mention milk about 100 times, certainly more than any other single food item, in that document, entitled "Food Groups To Encourage."

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: torpid
Does the USDA recommend that, or just milk marketing organizations?

http://www.health.gov/dietaryg...ment/html/chapter5.htm

While the actual amount recommended is 3 cups per day, I think they mention milk about 100 times, certainly more than any other single food item, in that document, entitled "Food Groups To Encourage."

Thats because the avg american consumes about 1.5 cups per day.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Wreckem
Theres absolutely NOTHING wrong with the 2-3 8oz dairy serving recommendation the USDA gives.

Yeah so? Neither is that 2-3 cups of milk per day necessary to life and health like the USDA would have you believe. Nor does one need to get that dairy intake strictly from drinking milk, when there are other, more nutritious and less potentially harmful (especially for the lactose intolerant 80% of us), sources of dairy out there.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: torpid
Does the USDA recommend that, or just milk marketing organizations?

http://www.health.gov/dietaryg...ment/html/chapter5.htm

While the actual amount recommended is 3 cups per day, I think they mention milk about 100 times, certainly more than any other single food item, in that document, entitled "Food Groups To Encourage."

Thats because the avg american consumes about 1.5 cups per day.

That's assuming that glasses of straight milk are the average American's only source of dairy. Or that straight milk is the best source of dairy, or of calcium.

Why, I wonder, do Americans drink more milk on average than any other nation on earth while at the same time have the highest incidence of bone disease on earth? How's that work? The Japanese are almost 100% lactose intolerant (and rarely drink milk), no such problems. The French don't drink much milk either, but eat lots of cheese and butter, which Americans are told to avoid, and not only don't have bone problems but have a much lower incidence of heart disease as well. Hmmm.... maybe because they get their calcium from eating green leafy vegetables instead? Nah, couldn't be...

 

[AbAbber2k]

Originally posted by: Vic
(especially for the lactose intolerant 80% of us)

Nice try, but it's more like 70% of the human population... with that number skewed up by non-dairy consuming cultures. In the United States (and especially parts of Europe), the number is far lower.

Originally posted by: Vic
Why, I wonder, do Americans drink more milk on average than any other nation on earth while at the same time have the highest incidence of bone disease on earth? How's that work? The Japanese are almost 100% lactose intolerant (and rarely drink milk), no such problems. The French don't drink much milk either, but eat lots of cheese and butter, which Americans are told to avoid, and not only don't have bone problems but have a much lower incidence of heart disease as well. Hmmm.... maybe because they get their calcium from eating green leafy vegetables instead? Nah, couldn't be...

Um... I'm pretty sure that Dutch populations consume far more dairy than the average American. And guess what... they're only about 1% lactose intolerant.

Human evolution sure is an amazing thing, isn't it?

Here's a cool chart.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Kelemvor
It's been proven to help weight loss in some situations.

I like it.

Make a poll.

Want to lose weight? Use up more calories than you take in. (The secret the weight-loss-pill industry doesn't want you to know!!!!OMGWTF!!!11!)


I don't often drink plain milk anymore, I prefer it to be flavored with some form of sugar and chocolate.
I prefer whole milk, but 2% is tolerable. 1% and skim, I might as well drink water.

My favorite related tale with this was in high school at some health fair thing. A stand was there to prove that you can't tell the difference between whole, 2%, 1%, and skim, just to show how easy it was to switch to skim. Each person was given a sampling of each, in random order, and asked which was which. The idea was that you'd have no idea. I tried, and could easily tell which was which. Of course, the skim was easiest to see, based not only on the heavily diluted flavor, but also the translucent appearance of the meniscus. The bonus of whole chocolate milk - it acts as a decent snack, or if I'm low on time, breakfast.

 

[oynaz]

I saw an interesting study lately:

It appears that lactose intolerance is the "normal" state for humans. Digesting milk from cows actually requires a mutation. However, this mutation has in the past given a huge advantage in cultures with large amounts of dairy consumption. Hence, nearly all Caucasians can digest milk, most Africans can, but most Asians cannot. Of course, this means that the Chinese Study is useless.

Unfortunately, I cannot remember where I saw the study. Can someone help?

Regarding obese Americans: I believe the primary reason is too much junk food and too little exercise.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: cjchaps

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: cjchaps
I see the NDC has gotten to most of you sheep. Cow Juice is unnatural for humans to drink. It also explains the rise of cancer, obesity, and heart disease in this country. It's better to get your calcium from veggies than milk. Ice cream tastes good.

<puts on flame suit and runs away>

http://www.notmilk.com/

Yes, WE'RE the sheep... certainly not someone who ascribes the rise of cancer, obesity, and heart disease to a single factor. I mean, humans have only been drinking milk for what, hundreds upon hundreds of years?

Google "The China Study"

In 1983 a joint British-Chinese-American study known as the "Study of Diet, Nutrition and Disease in the People's Republic of China" was begun for the purpose of studying the relationship between selenium and other nutrients and death rates from all forms of cancer. Because of its scope and the unique opportunity it offered, the study was expanded to examine many other health issues. It took exhaustive data--367 items per person were followed--on the lifestyle nutritional intake, and health status of 6,500 adults, half men, half women, spread throughout mainland China, over a six-year period. I want to emphasize that this was not an American-style survey in which "researchers" phoned a lot of people and asked them what they had for supper last night. It involved urine and blood analyses, extensive questionnaires, measurements of foods consumed, and detailed examination of a broad spectrum of data that would have been impossible before the age of computers.

Although it will be years before all the China study information is analyzed and available, the earliest reports have been shocking, although not unexpected by many. Dr. T. Colin Campbell of Cornell University, who directed the massive study, told Jane Brody in a New York Times interview (May 8, 1990) that the study affirms that "we're basically a vegetarian species and should be eating a wide variety of plant foods and minimizing our intake of animal foods." On the question of osteoporosis, Dr. Campbell said:

"Ironically, osteoporosis tends to occur in countries where calcium intake is highest and most of it comes from protein-rich dairy products. The Chinese data indicate that people need less calcium than we think and can get adequate amounts from vegetables."

Specifically, Dr. Campbell told the Times that the Chinese study found an average daily calcium intake of of 544 mg. in China, almost none of this from animal products, and "there was basically no osteoporosis in China." In the U. S., by contrast, where there is an average calcium intake of 1,143 mg per day, mostly from dairy products, "osteoporosis is a major public health problem."

Please, Cite your sources.

http://www.purewatergazette.net/milksucks.htm

 

[Chaotic42]

I like it. I'm eating some low-fat vanilla yogurt with Grape Nuts in it now.

 

[TheVrolok]

Love milk. Only drink skim tho.

 

[redgtxdi]

What I don't get is this...........


Everybody knows the cliche'............"Milk is for babies". It can be observed every day in nature.

Now, how did we get from that.........to adults deciding milk was for them?? Better yet.......how'd they decide that yankin' on cow udders to obtain it was *the* best source???


I can understand pullin' fruit from trees........pullin' veggies outta' the ground.......killing an animal to get meat.......(all can be observed in nature)......but I've yet to see an adult tiger walk up to a cow & start suckin' on udders.

 

[imported_yovonbishop]

I know milk tastes delicious (as well as all other dairy products), but it hates me.

 

[Kirby]

Assuming you're not intolerant and excluding the fat content, how is it bad for you?

 

[Throckmorton]

Milk is for baby cows.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

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