Military Video

[Goosemaster]

The OP posted a great clip there.

The responders posted sh!t.

 

[ECUHITMAN]

since he not only didn't vote to fund our troops in Iraq but also voted against just about everything Reagan did to end the Cold War...including things like develop the Patriot Missle and Apache Helicopter.

Yeah I would actually like to see the Bill that Kerry voted against. I mean there are plenty of reasons why a person would vote against something. Maybe there was too much pork barrel spending on something or whatever. I just wish people would back up their statements with some kind of fact.

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Oh, and sorry for politicizing this thread...it's just my dad is ex-military and so are 90% of his friends...and I witness their reactions...they hate Kerry and love Bush...I bet if we polled our troops, most of them would vote for Bush too...I wonder why the libs at CNN haven't done that yet...

I'm ex-military, and let me tell you, you're right. Most military will vote for Bush, but then again, they're not the brightess of people.

 

[BCYL]

Great video...

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Oh, and sorry for politicizing this thread...it's just my dad is ex-military and so are 90% of his friends...and I witness their reactions...they hate Kerry and love Bush...I bet if we polled our troops, most of them would vote for Bush too...I wonder why the libs at CNN haven't done that yet...

Theres a difference betwene supporting the military and sending it to do questionable deeds. I support the military, but cant rightly think of 1 military action since WWII we could have fully justified, except the hunt for Al Queda, which does NOT include the removal of Hussein.
Thus, while I applaud those in power who supprt our troops and give them the funding and equipment they need, I still dont approve of how they use the military.

So I would assume you do NOT support kerry...since he not only didn't vote to fund our troops in Iraq but also voted against just about everything Reagan did to end the Cold War...including things like develop the Patriot Missle and Apache Helicopter.

Put it this way, the longer Osama & Company have their focus on fighting in Iraq, the better we are here in the States, right? That could be Bush's genius: getting all the terrorists to fight in one, rotten basket.

It is true that when Kerry first ran for the Senate in 1984 he did call specifically for canceling the AH-64 Apache helicopter, but once elected he opposed mainly such strategic weapons as Trident nuclear missiles and space-based anti-ballistic systems. And Richard Cheney himself, who is now Vice President but who then was Secretary of Defense, also proposed canceling the Apache helicopter program five years after Kerry did. As Cheney told the House Armed Services Committee on Aug. 13, 1989:

Cheney: The Army, as I indicated in my earlier testimony, recommended to me that we keep a robust Apache helicopter program going forward, AH-64; . . . I forced the Army to make choices. I said, "You can't have all three. We don't have the money for all three." So I recommended that we cancel the AH-64 program two years out. That would save $1.6 billion in procurement and $200 million in spares over the next five years.

Two years later Cheney's Pentagon budget also proposed elimination of further production of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle as well. It was among 81 Pentagon programs targeted for termination, including the F-14 and F-16 aircraft. "Cheney decided the military already has enough of these weapons," the Boston Globe reported at the time.

Does that make Cheney an opponent of "weapons vital to winning the war on terror?" Of course not. But by the Bush campaign's logic, Cheney himself would be vulnerable to just such a charge, and so would Bush's father, who was president at the time.


*factcheck.org

 

[johnjohn320]

Wonderful video, very touching and moving. I wonder who wrote the music (sounds likes James Horner, maybe?). Very nice.

And yes, the mud-slinging in this thread needs to stop. C'mon guys, grow up. You can disagree with the war and still give respect to all of our armed forces, past and present. Chill.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Wonderful video, very touching and moving. I wonder who wrote the music (sounds likes James Horner, maybe?). Very nice.

And yes, the mud-slinging in this thread needs to stop. C'mon guys, grow up. You can disagree with the war and still give respect to all of our armed forces, past and present. Chill.

It's not that people disagree with the war, it's the misinformation some people constantly sphew out every chance they get.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: BigJelly

Originally posted by: Xionide

Originally posted by: abracadabra1

Originally posted by: jumpr
Let's not politicize this thread. C'mon, there's nothing political in that flash animation anyway. Let's just keep this thread bumped.

Pretty touching video. Good view for anyone in the military or with friends/family in the military.

The men and women of are country do NOT fight and die because of national interests - they do so out of a patriotic duty, love of country, and the belief that they are doing what is RIGHT.

Yes and hitler thought what he was doing was right. Just because someone tells you to jump off a cliff does that mean you would do it? Now what if george bush told you to jump off a cliff?

-Xionide

the real question is would jump off a cliff because george bush told you not too becuse thats the partisan vibe im getting from you

FYI hitler knew what he was doing was wrong, otherwise can you explain why he didnt witness the touture of jews and soviets. its a know fact that he couldnt handle the violence and had a weak stomach for it--doesnt sound like someone that felt what he was doing was just.

On the real thread purpose...great video and great pictures only wish they were higher quality, but nothings perfect.

what hitler THOUGHT is of no consequence. what matters is that he TOLD people it was right, and they believed him, just like you believe bush. bush uses the same tools hitler did: fear, rhetoric, religion, and scapegoats, and you buy it just like the germans did. xionide's point has nothing to do rebellion. it has to do with thinking for yourself.

Great vid...I can only hope that some of our troops are able to see it.

Umm, well you see the big problem was that back then people did not have all the resources we do now for information....so using the "if you agree with Bush you are just another mindless lemming" approach does not play out.

The fact is that those of us that agree with what we are doing do so based on the SAME information you use to oppose it...so we can say the same about you....you are just another anti-war peace lover who does not believe in going to war unless the reason is one that YOU and only YOU see fit.....you are one of the many mindless liberals who only believe in going against the cause...does not matter what that cause is...you must, like many of your bretheren oppose it because that is what they tell you to do.

Make no mistake just because you don't agree with the President does mean you think for yourself.

 

[dartworth]

lib·er·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.

1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

2.Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.


I'd rather be called a liberal, instead of a narrow minded jackass like some of you!

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: dartworth
lib·er·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.

1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

2.Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.


I'd rather be called a liberal, instead of a narrow minded jackass like some of you!

Well see there are so many of you that are "broad minded" that you lose your indiviuality...much the same as you say we do....in doing so you become one of the sheep in your flock not one of the leaders.

So by "opening your mind" to everything BUT what some of us view as right a(like the war) you have already limited yourself to what others think, and become one of the "narrow minded jackasses" that you claim not to be.

 

[tranceport]

GO USA!

 

[PoPPeR]

good soundtrack

 

[Xionide]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: dartworth
lib·er·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.

1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

2.Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.


I'd rather be called a liberal, instead of a narrow minded jackass like some of you!

Well see there are so many of you that are "broad minded" that you lose your indiviuality...much the same as you say we do....in doing so you become one of the sheep in your flock not one of the leaders.

So by "opening your mind" to everything BUT what some of us view as right a(like the war) you have already limited yourself to what others think, and become one of the "narrow minded jackasses" that you claim not to be.

Are we arguing on why we have our opinion or over what our opinion is about?