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Military Tradition: I Love It!

GTaudiophile

GTaudiophile

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I'm sitting here, watching the live C-SPAN feed from the capitol building. No one is there besides the casket, the military guards, and a camera. Yet, the changing of the guard was just performed at midnight with as much pride and accuracy as would have been done with thousands of onlookers. Just gives you goosebumps.

And earlier today, seeing the riderless horse with the boots pointed backwards. Never knew that!

BUT, I do have to insert a political rant: this is the tradition and accuracy the liberals HATE; these man are members of a military that was gutted by Clinton and will be again by Kerry after he pulls out of Iraq like the coward he is. I could go on and on about how the libs want to destroy this body of honorable men and women, this ultimate melting pot of white, black, latino, and asian. But I won't...Oh, and don't forget, being the lone superpower makes us evil!

Wrong Forum!
 
Oh lord, not another one....

Agreed on the importance of military tradition, but your rant causes you to lose a good deal of credibility.
 
I'll ignore the political rant just b/c I don't really want to turn this thread into another knockdown drag-out fight.

Changing of the guard at The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is an impressive sight as well.

On a related, yet unrelated note....my little brother asked me to pin the bars on his shoulder when he receives his commission in the Army this weekend.
 
I have a strong military tradition in my family (my granddad was a seabee in the Aleutian's in WWII, my dad was a radar operator in Vietnam), I'm thinking Air Force after I've worked for a few years, yet all of us have tend to be socially liberal. Does this make us traitors?

There are rabid fools of every political leaning; I would suggest you aim some of that anger (and righteous anger, methinks) towards the chickenhawks who dodged the Vietnam draft and who did everything possible to avoid the honor of serving their country.
 
I'd agree with you on the tradition, and disagree on just about everything else (and I'm a military officer myself). Believe it or not, there are "liberals" in the service who love their country and its traditions. What is the extent of your service?
 
Originally posted by: Feldenak
I'll ignore the political rant just b/c I don't really want to turn this thread into another knockdown drag-out fight.

Changing of the guard at The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is an impressive sight as well.

On a related, yet unrelated note....my little brother asked me to pin the bars on his shoulder when he receives his commission in the Army this weekend.
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I got to watch the changing of the gaurds at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier when i was 15. Man did it impress the heck out of me.
 
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
I'd agree with you on the tradition, and disagree on just about everything else (and I'm a military officer myself). Believe it or not, there are "liberals" in the service who love their country and its traditions. What is the extent of your service?
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Nothing besides being an Army "brat" for 12 years, living on various posts from Saudi Arabia to Berlin, Germany. My dad graduated from the Citadel and retired as an LTC. after 22 years of service. My grandfather graduated at the top of his class at West Point, served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, and retired as a general.
 
Originally posted by: waggy
I got to watch the changing of the gaurds at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier when i was 15. Man did it impress the heck out of me.
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Aye, I got to watch it as well, I think when I was 13 or so. Very impressive.
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
I'd agree with you on the tradition, and disagree on just about everything else (and I'm a military officer myself). Believe it or not, there are "liberals" in the service who love their country and its traditions. What is the extent of your service?
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Nothing besides being an Army "brat" for 12 years, living on various posts from Saudi Arabia to Berlin, Germany. My dad graduated from the Citadel and retired as an LTC. after 22 years of service. My grandfather graduated at the top of his class at West Point, served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, and retired as a general.
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And in all that time are we to believe that you never met an American liberal who loved their country? Interesting.

We recognize that the military in the US is truly the strongest in the world, and that helps protect us each and every day. My dad was an engineer in the defense industry for 15 years, so obviously I'm partial towards that area. But we also realize that military spending is not the end all for making the world a better place for us.
 
Originally posted by: Achtung
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
I'd agree with you on the tradition, and disagree on just about everything else (and I'm a military officer myself). Believe it or not, there are "liberals" in the service who love their country and its traditions. What is the extent of your service?
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Nothing besides being an Army "brat" for 12 years, living on various posts from Saudi Arabia to Berlin, Germany. My dad graduated from the Citadel and retired as an LTC. after 22 years of service. My grandfather graduated at the top of his class at West Point, served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, and retired as a general.
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And in all that time are we to believe that you never met an American liberal who loved their country? Interesting.

We recognize that the military in the US is truly the strongest in the world, and that helps protect us each and every day. My dad was an engineer in the defense industry for 15 years, so obviously I'm partial towards that area. But we also realize that military spending is not the end all for making the world a better place for us.
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LOL. Reagan proved that statement wrong. Sorry, but I do live in a safer world because of his work.
 
See...this is how a good thread turns bad. We could have just kept this thread about impressive military traditions instead it is rapidly devolving into petty bickering. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

LOL. Reagan proved that statement wrong. Sorry, but I do live in a safer world because of his work.
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I must respectfully disagree. Our unwelcome intrusions into other parts of the world have just made us bigger targets for dissenters. The policies we had towards the Middle East back then are just now coming back to hurt us.
 
Originally posted by: Feldenak
See...this is how a good thread turns bad. We could have just kept this thread about impressive military traditions instead it is rapidly devolving into petty bickering. 🙁
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My apologies. I will make sure to remove/edit my posts if that original rant is removed as well.
 
Originally posted by: Achtung

We recognize that the military in the US is truly the strongest in the world, and that helps protect us each and every day. My dad was an engineer in the defense industry for 15 years, so obviously I'm partial towards that area. But we also realize that military spending is not the end all for making the world a better place for us.
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I'm not opposed to cutting military spending, I just don't like it when they get their budget cut, their overseas commitments increased, and tons of flak thrown their way by people who haven't got the guts to wear a uniform. They carry a gun so that I CAN, but don't have to.
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I'm sitting here, watching the live C-SPAN feed from the capitol building. No one is there besides the casket, the military guards, and a camera. Yet, the changing of the guard was just performed at midnight with as much pride and accuracy as would have been done with thousands of onlookers. Just gives you goosebumps.

And earlier today, seeing the riderless horse with the boots pointed backwards. Never knew that!

BUT, I do have to insert a political rant: this is the tradition and accuracy the liberals HATE; these man are members of a military that was gutted by Clinton and will be again by Kerry after he pulls out of Iraq like the coward he is. I could go on and on about how the libs want to destroy this body of honorable men and women, this ultimate melting pot of white, black, latino, and asian. But I won't...Oh, and don't forget, being the lone superpower makes us evil!
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well, you had my liberal support until you had to make it masturbatorily political.
but yeah, its interesting stuff to see.

calm down with the judgements of entire groups of people, it looks ignorant and, of course, it picks a fight needlessly.
 
Originally posted by: Darilus
I'm not opposed to cutting military spending, I just don't like it when they get their budget cut, their overseas commitments increased, and tons of flak thrown their way by people who haven't got the guts to wear a uniform. They carry a gun so that I CAN, but don't have to.
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Good points. Honestly, few people probably saw either 9/11 or the Iraq war coming years in advance, so defense spending was cut after the Cold War ended. That's just how it works--you try to balance your spending with your perceived threat. Bush I and Clinton didn't cut spending because thye hated America. They did it because they didn't believe the threat to the US was as significant with the Soviet Union gone. With the war in Iraq, spending has had to increase. It's very simple. really.

Our military probably is spread out a bit thin. I think I read that we have troops stationed in 120 nations! We need to at least consider pulling back from NATO nations and Asia.
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Nothing besides being an Army "brat" for 12 years, living on various posts from Saudi Arabia to Berlin, Germany. My dad graduated from the Citadel and retired as an LTC. after 22 years of service. My grandfather graduated at the top of his class at West Point, served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, and retired as a general.
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That's impressive for them, but it sounds to me like you are just parroting what you heard from them. You might be surprised how many military members (including the very "white, black, latino, and asian" folks you mention) serve proudly, but are not happy with President Bush and look forward to a change.

Just out of curiosity (this is NOT meant negatively), how come you decided not to serve, if you feel so passionate about military tradition?
 
Originally posted by: Feldenak
See...this is how a good thread turns bad. We could have just kept this thread about impressive military traditions instead it is rapidly devolving into petty bickering. 🙁
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The original post ensured it would turn into a dogfight. Welcome to P&N!
 
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
The original post ensured it would turn into a dogfight. Welcome to P&N!
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Hence my offer made several posts above. I'll honor the military and all it stands for, but I won't let someone make ill-informed attacks on my beliefs without responding.
 
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Nothing besides being an Army "brat" for 12 years, living on various posts from Saudi Arabia to Berlin, Germany. My dad graduated from the Citadel and retired as an LTC. after 22 years of service. My grandfather graduated at the top of his class at West Point, served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, and retired as a general.
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That's impressive for them, but it sounds to me like you are just parroting what you heard from them. You might be surprised how many military members (including the very "white, black, latino, and asian" folks you mention) serve proudly, but are not happy with President Bush and look forward to a change.

Just out of curiosity (this is NOT meant negatively), how come you decided not to serve, if you feel so passionate about military tradition?
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I'd love to see a poll done, but I bet that the ratio of Bush-supporters vs. Kerry-supporters is 3:1 at best.

Why? I toured all of the academies with the strong intention of going that way. But military physical didn't quite agree.
 
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Originally posted by: Feldenak
See...this is how a good thread turns bad. We could have just kept this thread about impressive military traditions instead it is rapidly devolving into petty bickering. 🙁
Click to expand...

The original post ensured it would turn into a dogfight. Welcome to P&N!
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See..that's my problem. This is supposed to be Off Topic, not Pettiness and Name-calling. 🙂
 
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