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Military going to shoot down broken space probe
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BoomerD
No Lifer
Yeah, check your batteries PH...it was mostly sarcastic-with a touch of irony thrown in...
Yes, I believe Bush is the only President we've ever had who not only could fuck up a wet-dream, but could fail to get laid in a room full of drunk, horny co-eds...
HOWEVER, while I suspect the idea of shooting down the satellite is a bad idea, hopefully, our military will manage to pull it off with more success than they have had in Afghanistan and Iraq...(both of those cluster-fucks are giving our military black eyes...not because the troops are incompetent, but because their leader is incompetent to the Nth degree...
We SHOULD have had Afghanistan taken care of within a couple of years tops...not under our thumb like the Soviets wanted, but the Taliban routed and a stable government in place...but oh no...Bushie LOVED being a WAR PRESIDENT...and since he apparently had planned on invading Iraq even before 9-11, he used his popularity and political impetus to lead us down the primrose path...
Modelworks
Lifer
You do realize how big this thing is ?
Its not a normal sized satellite.
Its about the same size as a school bus.
You do not want that, with 1000lbs of hydrazine gas, coming down on a person or building.
The satellite also uses new technology that they don't want to be intact in any form.
Normally satellites that are dying are sent into an orbit further out, but this one is no longer responding to commands, so nothing they can do.
There are over 400 active satellites just from the USA alone.
Its getting very crowded up there .
Its not a normal sized satellite.
Its about the same size as a school bus.
You do not want that, with 1000lbs of hydrazine gas, coming down on a person or building.
The satellite also uses new technology that they don't want to be intact in any form.
Normally satellites that are dying are sent into an orbit further out, but this one is no longer responding to commands, so nothing they can do.
There are over 400 active satellites just from the USA alone.
Its getting very crowded up there .
spittledip
Diamond Member
No, just his roof.
(joke shamelessly stolen from the Simpsons.. when it was good)
BoomerD
No Lifer
Here, let me help you with that:
sarcasm
Main Entry: sar·casm
Pronunciation: \'sär-?ka-z?m\
Function: noun
Etymology: French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwar?s- to cut
Date: 1550
1: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain
2 a: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b: the use or language of sarcasm
irony
4 entries found.
ironydramatic ironySocratic ironytragic irony
Main Entry: iro·ny
Pronunciation: \'i-r?-ne also 'i(-?)r-ne\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural iro·nies
Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eironia, from eiron dissembler
Date: 1502
1: a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning ?called also Socratic irony
2 a: the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b: a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c: an ironic expression or utterance
3 a (1): incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2): an event or result marked by such incongruity b: incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play ?called also dramatic irony, tragic irony
As for your personal attack...I suspect you've been "stoned" since I last was...I don't do any drugs (other than what my doctor forces on me) and I almost NEVER drink...
Oh wait...you think that since I have long hair and a beard...and hate GWB, I must be some filthy druggie/Hippie...to quote some of the folks over in Off Topic:
"the ironing is delicious."
Noobtastic
Banned
I thought it was to prevent "secret" equipment from being captured by enemy/foreign nations...
palehorse
Lifer
excellent.. we're making progress! Now that you know what each of those words means, all you have to do is go back to school and learn how to implement them properly.
Your first post was NOT "sarcastic" or "ironic." It was merely a weak attempt to tie this issue to your favorite rant subjects - Bush and Iraq.
That said, my drug reference was even more shallow than you assumed -- I based it stricty on your pot-smoking avatar. After all, it's the only "picture" we have of you...
duh.
Brovane
Diamond Member
I was just pointing out one of the fallacy's of the Anti-ABM argument regarding use of decoys. In order to make a realistic decoy you might as well just use another warhead. Intercepting a missile is not that hard because soon after launch you can accurately predict were it will be during its entire flight path. ABM were first successfully tested in the 70's.
That's not accurate.
The place in which decoys are used is in the mid course guidance phase when the ICBM's warhead is in space. In space everything is effectively weightless and so balloons and other low cost, low weight materials can be used as extremely effective decoys that our systems cannot discern from the real warhead(s).
This is one of the many reasons for why our ballistic missile shield is worthless and stupid. The only phase in which they are easily intercepted is the phase in which it is super easy to make decoys, thus overwhelming our ability to respond.
wirelessenabled
Platinum Member
Don't think anybody would care to intercept the SM-3 but the where and when shouldn't be too hard.
USS Lake Erie has been the ship carrying out the tests of the SM-3 against the ballistic missle targets launched from Kwajalein Island. Likely the Lake Erie will be tasked with this. Also the Lake Erie has been using the Pacific Missle Test Range based on Kauai Island, Hawaii for tracking and data. That would likely be part of the scenario also.
So I predict ......
SM-3 launched by the USS Lake Erie from somewhere near Kauai, probably South and West of Kauai because that would give the largest unihabited area for the debris to crash down. Probably in less than a week because as the space vehicle gets further down in the atmosphere the orbit becomes less predictable.
Brovane
Diamond Member
That is not accurate. Your balloons etc.are not going to present the same type of target as a MIRV bus or the warheads themselves. The MIRV bus is going to start dropping warheads within 700km of the intended target. So before a standing MIRV starts dropping warheads off its bus it is within range of long range ICBM systems. Also the MIRV bus is extremely limited in its maneuvering ability before it starts dropping off warheads one at time. The balloons or decoys dropped off during this phase will not maintain the same entry speed into the atmosphere. If you drop off say 10 decoys during the apex of a missile trajectory the ABM system will easily be able to determine that they are fake.
A dedicated ABM system is a layered defense consisting of both long range and short range defense missiles with multiple opportunities to engage a ICBM or ballistic missile system before the target is reached. That is also why other countries besides the US are working on ABM systems like India and Russia.
wirelessenabled
Platinum Member
I believe they are taking 3 SM-3 missiles out on the Lake Erie.
....If at first you don't succeed......
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