• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Militarized police overreach

Genx87

Lifer
Of course the story includes dog killings.

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/10/mil..._i_thought_they_were_going_to_shoot_me_next”/

And this is another lesson in the failure of our drug war, what you can expect when the police fuck up, and of course their propensity to kill your pets without a care in the world.

If they fuck up dont expect an apology. Simply clearing you of their fuck up is an apology in of itself.

Perhaps even more baffling, officials continued to insist that the raid shouldn’t have happened any other way. Even as they acknowledged that Calvo and his family were innocent, in the months and years following the raid they would repeat again and again that not a single officer did anything wrong, and that no one had any reason for remorse. In 2010 Sheriff Michael Jackson was asked during his campaign for Prince George’s County executive if he had any regrets about the raid. His response: “Quite frankly, we’d do it again. Tonight.” Even when Chief High called Calvo to tell him that he had been cleared of any criminal suspicion, High made sure to explicitly tell the mayor that the call should not be interpreted as an apology. The statements from county officials over the next several months were also astonishingly callous. A day after he called Calvo, High told the press that the raiding cops showed “restraint and compassion” and insisted that they should be credited for not arresting Calvo or members of his family. (The only incriminating evidence found in the home was the unopened box of marijuana that the deputies themselves had delivered.) Months later, Prince George’s County executive Jack Johnson said something even more preposterous. He insisted that once Prince George’s County police agencies had cleared themselves, that was the only apology necessary—and in fact that they deserved praise for clearing Calvo’s name after nearly killing him. “Well, I think in America that is the apology, when we’re cleared,” Johnson said. “At the end of the day, the investigation showed [Calvo] was not involved. And that’s, you know, a pat on the back for everybody involved, I think.” On September 8, about five weeks after the raid, Sheriff Jackson’s office announced that his internal investigation had cleared his deputies of any wrongdoing. Everything was done according to procedure. Or, as Jackson put it, “the guys did what they were supposed to do.” Nine months later, Jackson’s office would conclude another investigation, again clearing his deputies. Neither outcome was surprising, given that Jackson had been defending his deputies since the night of the raid. It’s probably also worth noting that the father of Det. Shawn Scarlata—the officer who initiated the investigation leading to the raid— was on the internal affairs team that conducted the investigations.

The officials in Prince George’s County, two of them elected, openly and without reservation stated that they had no problem with the collateral damage done to the Calvo family. It was part of the war against getting high—which even they had to know is a war that can’t be won. They didn’t even really think it was something to regret or learn from, or to try to avoid in the future. As Calvo himself pointed out on several occasions, this isn’t a problem that can be laid at the feet of the police officers who raided his home. This problem can’t be fixed by firing the police involved. This is a political problem. It’s a policy problem

And the rate these paramilitary teams are dispatched is alarming. Especially for warrants. These teams were orignally designed to deal with barricaded hostage situations. In Maryland those situations represent 6% of the time they are dispatched.
 
Last edited:
Apology is an admission of wrongdoing.

Wrongdoing is a sign of imperfection, of flaws, of weakness.

Weakness threatens your position of alpha dominance.

That's why there are never apologies.
 
Of course the story includes dog killings.

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/10/mil..._i_thought_they_were_going_to_shoot_me_next”/

And this is another lesson in the failure of our drug war, what you can expect when the police fuck up, and of course their propensity to kill your pets without a care in the world.

If they fuck up dont expect an apology. Simply clearing you of their fuck up is an apology in of itself.



And the rate these paramilitary teams are dispatched is alarming. Especially for warrants. These teams were orignally designed to deal with barricaded hostage situations. In Maryland those situations represent 6% of the time they are dispatched.

this is part of teh problem. these teams were made to unique and extreme conditions. Now they are used for basic warrants.

Now you need to look at why. My thoughts are with the government GIVING every PD old military equipment from body armor, weapons to armored vehicles They are looking for excuses and justification for having them.

so they use get to suit up and play like they are elite military members rushing Bin laden. when all they are doing is a warrant.


Apology is an admission of wrongdoing.

Wrongdoing is a sign of imperfection, of flaws, of weakness.

Weakness threatens your position of alpha dominance.

That's why there are never apologies.

and this is why you will never hear an apology.

I got into a argument with a member here who was in the PD. There was a event where the PD made a mistake. No apology given.

A Officer here said that is the corect thing to do and there was no reason to give one. He said as part of his job mistakes happen. he should not apologize for doing his job.

it really blew my mind.

only good thing is not all officers are like that. I have recieved an apology twice from officers mistakes. first time years ago i had a red mustang. some kids in a red sports car were commiting crimes. they seen me and pulled me over. while talking to me it came over the radio they got them. he apologized and hoped i had a good rest of the night.

2nd time was recent. the old owners of my house had a young lady who had been in trouble with the law often. seems she was still useing this address. They came and wanted to arrest her
(at 3 in the fucking morning. i made the cop suffer with me in my boxers and no shirT! haha!). after talking with the police for 10 minutes it was obvious she had not lived here in years.

he apologized and left.
 
Last edited:
It seems nothing involves the police these days unless they are killing man's best friend. Has anybody seen any indication as to whether police are killing more or less dogs than in the past?
 
I don't think there is much to be worried about. in general Police in this country does good work and 99.999% of the good stuff they do you never hear about in the news.

HOWEVER, Americans in general should be concerned about their rights being taken away on regular basis.
 
I don't think there is much to be worried about. in general Police in this country does good work and 99.999% of the good stuff they do you never hear about in the news.

HOWEVER, Americans in general should be concerned about their rights being taken away on regular basis.

This.

Thankfully my interactions with local PD here have been pleasantly awesome. They act like people and not storm troopers.

Still a worrisome trend though.
 
Even after they realized they had just mistakenly raided the mayor’s house, the officers didn’t apologize to Calvo or Porter. Instead, they told Calvo that they were both “parties of interest” and that they should consider themselves lucky they weren’t arrested. Calvo in particular, they said, was still under suspicion because when armed men blew open his door, killed his dogs, and pointed their guns at him and his-mother-in-law, he hadn’t responded “in a typical manner.”

All of the officers involved should be beaten, put on their knees, their pets executed in front of them, their families bound, shoved to the floor, and rifles pointed at their heads. Let's see how they respond.

That entire article is sickening. The abuse, lies, the coverup, the failure to take responsibility. Everyone responsible should be in prison for life. They're criminals protected by a badge.

The further I get in the article, the more infuriating it is. The average law abiding citizen has far more to fear from the government in this country than they do actual criminals.
 
Last edited:
I have less problem with the cops killing dogs then I do with them using warrant less searches, and militarized home invasions.
 
Botched Paramilitary Police Raids Interactive Map


Police work isn't warfare. Policemen aren't soldiers.

Providing your local police with military weapons and allowing them to dress up like soldiers doesn't change that...

Uno
Sentry Dog Handler
US Army 69-71

Clearly these are isolated incidents. The rate of home invasions the police are using these swat teams for in the state of maryland gurantees a screwup will cost somebody their pet, or worse their life.
 
I vaguely remember reading about this one before. Either way, more fucked up shit from an overzealous police force. anxious to make a bust at any cost. GET THOSE POT DEALERS, GET 'EM!!!!!

Oh, what's that you say? they're not dealers? fuck it, shoot the dogs and lie about it. All in a days work.
 
Last edited:
The real kicker is that WE, as taxpayers, get to pay for their screw-ups in the form of settlements!

In another thread discussing this issue, I suggested that the FBI should form a dept. whose sole responsibility is to investigate police department screw-ups. Since most of the time they involve civil liberty violations, their should be no problem with jurisdiction. Perhaps if they knew the Feds were watching instead of their internal affairs (lol) things would be different.

I would still like to see statistics, we could be perceiving an increase merely due to a more pervasive and ubiquitous media. Personally, I think there is an increase, most likely inline with the militarization of the police.
 
Last edited:
Apology is an admission of wrongdoing.

Wrongdoing is a sign of imperfection, of flaws, of weakness.

Weakness threatens your position of alpha dominance.

That's why there are never apologies.

An apology is an admission of wrongdoing. But the reason they'll never admit any imperfection is solely related to (potential) Lawsuits.
 
The average law abiding citizen has far more to fear from the government in this country than they do actual criminals.

Damn, I said as much in another thread, except for I used the term "law enforcement".
 
The real kicker is that WE, as taxpayers, get to pay for their screw-ups in the form of settlements!

In another thread I suggested police be forced to pay for their own malpractice insurance, so to speak. All police pay monthly out of pocket in case any one of them is sued and found at fault/negligent/responsible. The payout to the victim comes from the collective coffers of the police union rather than from taxpayer money.

In another thread discussing this issue, I suggested that the FBI should form a dept. whose sole responsibility is to investigate police department screw-ups. Since most of the time they involve civil liberty violations, their should be no problem with jurisdiction. Perhaps if they knew the Feds were watching instead of their internal affairs (lol) things would be different.

Cops who "police" other cops are met with strong armed intimidation tactics to get them to tow the blue line, or at least make them miserable. Original report.
 
It appears the problem will only be getting worse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VijNLRU0v0M&feature=youtube_gdata_player

What I find alarming is that the pentagon has so much left over "toys" and that they are supplying local governments with these toys. What do you think will happen when your local police get a tank or high caliber weapons? Paint them like hippie buses?

Drug busts have also turned into a revenue generator. Does anyone see a problem with that? Police shouldn't exist to make money for the government.

Cut the pentagons budget, don't authorize the purchase of new equipment and at the very least this will slow down the increasing presence of "warrior/militarized" police.
 
The real kicker is that WE, as taxpayers, get to pay for their screw-ups in the form of settlements!

Yes, that is endemic to the concept of government. If any aspect of it screws up, the taxpayers foot the bill. There are two solutions: have no government, or have one that is perfect. One isn't feasible, and the other isn't possible.

I would still like to see statistics, we could be perceiving an increase merely due to a more pervasive and ubiquitous media. Personally, I think there is an increase, most likely inline with the militarization of the police.

Your first sentence is right on the mark. Then you drop the rationality and go with your gut in the second.

The trend lines for bad police behavior are unknown. Lots of opinions. Zero competent evidence.
 
In another thread I suggested police be forced to pay for their own malpractice insurance, so to speak. All police pay monthly out of pocket in case any one of them is sued and found at fault/negligent/responsible. The payout to the victim comes from the collective coffers of the police union rather than from taxpayer money.

You do realize how insurance works, don't you? It's risk pooling. Taxpayers would still be on the hook, it would just be spread out. If you're thinking the cops themselves would pay out of pocket, there's no way they could afford that as is, no insurance company is going to underwrite a policy for any given cop being sued. They would have to receive stipends to cover it, and again the taxpayers are on the hook.

The problem is not monetary damages. The problem is that it happens at all, and that the system defends these pigs. Pigs found guilty of these abuses should be in prison.
 
Last edited:
Your first sentence is right on the mark. Then you drop the rationality and go with your gut in the second.

The trend lines for bad police behavior are unknown. Lots of opinions. Zero competent evidence.

What is a known quantity however is the arming of police forces to look like the military. Cops are starting to carry automatic weapons as a matter of course and wearing riot gear on a regular basis.

It's not a stretch to assume their mentality matches their gear. They think they're at war with the citizens.
 
What is a known quantity however is the arming of police forces to look like the military. Cops are starting to carry automatic weapons as a matter of course and wearing riot gear on a regular basis.
And then you hear gun banners say only the military should have military-style weapons. Cops aren't military!
 
Back
Top