Milestone Approach Alert!

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
You would prefer we let the terrorists attack us at home?

I dont understand whats so difficult to understand about this. We fight them here at home or we fight them overseas, but either way we WILL fight them.
Turning a blind eye will simply mean we get attacked again and again.

I honestly laughed out loud at this. Specop you REALLY are going to need a system of pullies and cable to pull your head out of your ass.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Specop 007
You would prefer we let the terrorists attack us at home?

I dont understand whats so difficult to understand about this. We fight them here at home or we fight them overseas, but either way we WILL fight them.
Turning a blind eye will simply mean we get attacked again and again.

I honestly laughed out loud at this. Specop you REALLY are going to need a system of pullies and cable to pull your head out of your ass.

Right, because theres never been a terrorist attack on our soil right??

Someone has their head in their ass, but I dont think its me......

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
That is damned savy, if they get enough prolonged media coverage. It will help prevent Rove&co. from distracting voters from the real issues.

The Family Guys humorously lampooned how easy it is to distract the public from the important issues this week

SHUT UP!

American Idol is coming on, quit bothering us with this unimportant political stuff.....

 

[imported_Shivetya]

too bad democrats who go to war kill servicemen at a faster rate...


seems to me this milestone is one tenth the number of deaths your type was predicting at the beginning of the war. then again losers like you simply change the rules when you lose, after all its the only two things you can do; lose and change the rules.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
too bad democrats who go to war kill servicemen at a faster rate...


seems to me this milestone is one tenth the number of deaths your type was predicting at the beginning of the war. then again losers like you simply change the rules when you lose, after all its the only two things you can do; lose and change the rules.

You forgot whine'n cry and piss'n moan.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: maluckeySo far I haven't seen a policy other than what we are doing that will accomplish this.

If you have an idea that can accomplish this, then do share it. Intelligent talk about solutions is a good idea. Shrill complaints without any solutions are not worth the bandwidth.

Revive the military draft & wartime rationing, and send 250,000 troops to Iraq in Hummers reinforced with plate steel cannibalized from civilian Hummers. Problem solved by New Year's 2008. This nation defeated Italy, Japan, & Germany inside of 4 years. I guess we forgot about our little misadventure in Southeast Asia when we decided to half-ass another war for half-ass reasons.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: BBond
How can you justify attacking a nation that had no terrorists so that "we don't have to fight them at home"?

Thats a sticky question to answer.
In its simplest form your right. We had no reason to go to Iraq. If we were really after the terrorists we should have hit Afghan, Saudi, Iran or Pakistan.
But from a long term strategic perspective Iraq is a very good position to wage a war from. I think the whole Iraq thing wasnt about fighting terrorists immediately and more about positioning ourselves for the long haul.

It's encouraging you can see this much, but I guess you failed to note:
1. the only reason we even give two sh!ts about the Middle East is oil.
2. spending $300 billion on alternative energy research & development turns the Middle East into Sudan: an unfortunate, irrelevant cesspit that no longer cares about the US because we no longer have our troops in their 'Holy Land'.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
then again losers like you simply change the rules when you lose, after all its the only two things you can do; lose and change the rules.

Like when Bush declared finding Osama was priority #1 and when we failed at that declared it wasn't so important anymore? Or when Bush declared we were invading Iraq to find WMDs but when that was exposed as bullshit declared we invaded for humanitarian reasons?

You mean like the world's greatest military with the half-trillion dollar budget failing to capture Osama Bin Laden, Mullah Omar, al-Zarqawi, etc and failing to pacify a weak, fractured state like Iraq in 3 years while the administration maintains the whole time things are actually going just fine?

Is this what you mean by losing and changing the rules?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: Shivetya
then again losers like you simply change the rules when you lose, after all its the only two things you can do; lose and change the rules.

Like when Bush declared finding Osama was priority #1 and when we failed at that declared it wasn't so important anymore? Or when Bush declared we were invading Iraq to find WMDs but when that was exposed as bullshit declared we invaded for humanitarian reasons?

You mean like the world's greatest military with the half-trillion dollar budget failing to capture Osama Bin Laden, Mullah Omar, al-Zarqawi, etc and failing to pacify a weak, fractured state like Iraq in 3 years while the administration maintains the whole time things are actually going just fine?

Is this what you mean by losing and changing the rules?

These king george worshippers can't defend their monarch so they flail away attacking anyone who exposes the idiot for what he is.

They have no answers, no way out of the mess their king has gotten us all into. Only their bitter attack politics because at this point even they are aware of the immense fvck up their support for this moron has created.

Did we change any "rules"? Hell no. Did king george change any rules? Did king george outright lie America into a no win trillion dollar disaster? Hell yes.

"Dead or alive." Remember those words? Mission accomplished. Remember that banner? "Bring 'em on". Who can foget that one? "We're gonna' smoke him out." Bwahaha. The only people funnier than this idiot king are the idiots who still follow him.

 

[maluckey]

I still see no solutions offered, just Bush hatred. It's like ignoring a fire at the grammar school because you don't like the principal.

Also, stop looking at them like they are children and can't agree on things. If I remember correctly it took the US around 11 years from the day we declared our independence to develop the constitution we have today. And 100 years later we had a civil war. Democracy is a difficult concept when you have never experienced it. Democracy also does not work everywhere, and I suspect it will not work in Iraq for many MANY more years. They are too reliant on their religion and less reliant on the rule of law. Separation of church and state is a key thing you need in democracy.

On this I stand corrected. you're right. I hadn't thought about it that way.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: maluckey
I still see no solutions offered, just Bush hatred. It's like ignoring a fire at the grammar school because you don't like the principal.

No solutions? That didn't seem to stop the republicans when they were criticizing everything Clinton did for eight long years. And please, before you make a complete fool of yourself by suggesting they did have "solutions", look around, if the current state of incompetency and level of corruption the republicans have achieved in only 12 years (it took the democrats 40, BTW, to get THIS bad) is your idea of "solutions", then it's clear you're a victim of your own misplaced criticism.

Listen, when you're in a car and the driver is headed for a cliff you change drivers. Period.

It's time for a change now just as you republicans said it was time for a change then. Get it? Solutions come when the party in power is able to implement their strategy. Don't be ridiculous. Continuing on this course is only a guaranty that we will indeed drive off the cliff the republican party is steering us towards.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: maluckey
I still see no solutions offered, just Bush hatred. It's like ignoring a fire at the grammar school because you don't like the principal.

No solutions? That didn't seem to stop the republicans when they were criticizing everything Clinton did for eight long years. And please, before you make a complete fool of yourself by suggesting they did have "solutions", look around, if the current state of incompetency and level of corruption the republicans have achieved in only 12 years (it took the democrats 40, BTW, to get THIS bad) is your idea of "solutions", then it's clear you're a victim of your own misplaced criticism.

Listen, when you're in a car and the driver is headed for a cliff you change drivers. Period.

It's time for a change now just as you republicans said it was time for a change then. Get it? Solutions come when the party in power is able to implement their strategy. Don't be ridiculous. Continuing on this course is only a guaranty that we will indeed drive off the cliff the republican party is steering us towards.

Even after 40 years, I don't think the Democrats EVER got as bad as these Republicans. Some of them might have been corrupt, but the Republicans are top-to-bottom dirty.

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Originally posted by: maluckey
I still see no solutions offered, just Bush hatred. It's like ignoring a fire at the grammar school because you don't like the principal.

I am not sure if you are talking to me, but I did offer a few ideas. I also said my ideas may not be resonable solution's but then again, I am not a military general. I will quote what I said, feel free to disagree and tell me how bad my ideas are, but do not say I do not have any ideas or possible solutions.

Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN
Why is it that if someone is complaining about anything the default responce is well that is your POV, but you have yet to say anything about a solution...

Yes I complain about the reasons we are in Iraq, yes I complain about the US causalities. Do I have a reasonable solution? No. You want to know why? I am not a general with on the ground intelligence. I am not a policy maker for the US government.

I have a few ideas that might help (albeit not popular ideas):

1) Start a draft.

2) Get a few million soldiers and fully occupy Iraq. Seal the boarders completely. No one in or out without proper documentation.

3) Once it is locked down, move in the government contractors to rebuild and FULLY fix the Iraq infrastructure. While this is going on, start training Iraq police and soldiers. Once they have enough soldiers and police, start withdrawing our troops by supplementing our troops with their troops.

Yes I know that last section is what we are trying to do right now, but as long as you have people living with power for only a few hours a day in their capital city it is hard for any political process to get off the ground.

Originally posted by: maluckey

Also, stop looking at them like they are children and can't agree on things. If I remember correctly it took the US around 11 years from the day we declared our independence to develop the constitution we have today. And 100 years later we had a civil war. Democracy is a difficult concept when you have never experienced it. Democracy also does not work everywhere, and I suspect it will not work in Iraq for many MANY more years. They are too reliant on their religion and less reliant on the rule of law. Separation of church and state is a key thing you need in democracy.

On this I stand corrected. you're right. I hadn't thought about it that way.

Thank you, I just wish more people on both sides of the fence would look at it from a realistic standpoint and stop with the rhetoric.

 

[maluckey]

ECUHITMAN,

I'll ignore the troll and talk for awhile and point out that I see no way to "fully occupy" ANY country as you suggest. Rome couldn't do it, nor has ANY country inthe history of the world. Occupation is a short-term fix. History has taught that the only way to "win" a conflict is to have the invaded nation internally support the invaders. occupation is not endearing to the occupied masses. Machiavelli told us that either you crush, assimilate completely, or leave it alone, as far as cultures are concerned.

The United States has not shown interest in assimilation, and the Iraqis have CERTAINLY not shown a want for this. The overwhelming solution offered on this board is crush or run away. I personally feel that crushing them would solve a short-term issue, but the cost in lives and infrastructure would be more prohibitive by far than the current course. I have also thought of hiring private security on the scale of a couple thousand armed to the teeth Iraqi hired guns to rot out the partisans so to speak, but this too would only add to the fire. It might work in the short term, but to whom are the "bounty hunters" truly loyal in the long run? Likely to themselves in the end....

We are stuck with Bush, so fighting that is useless and counterproductive. We all are stuck with the mess in Iraq, so more of the same. We all are not stuck with what comes next. All rhetoric aside, all would be better off with fewer volatile states in the world.