Just somehing i heard today. Is that true i always thought he was a famous soviet ar designer why would he be involved with the m16?
Mikhail Kalashnikov was involved in designing the m16?
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yup but check this out
it saysMikhail Kalashnikov and Eugene Stoner, M-16 assault rifle designer
On second thought it says designer not designers as i previously thought. So i gues i am an idiot.
it saysMikhail Kalashnikov and Eugene Stoner, M-16 assault rifle designer
On second thought it says designer not designers as i previously thought. So i gues i am an idiot.
i have no clue... never heard of that before. he may have had a hand in it, who knows? but it doesn't really look like his work. my personal favourite of his is the Dragonov 
weird... that curve in the barrel must take a lot of velocity off of the slug. interesting concept though
<< The draganov is a nice looking one. Rifle i believe no? >>
if you're talking about the Dragonov, yes it is a rifle
a sniper to be exact. for the price it's a great deal The M16 was a successor to the AR-10 designed by Eugene Stoner. He may have taken an idea or two from Kalashnikov's designs. However, old Mikhail had little to do with the M16 other than creating a need.
Background information on the US M16 Rifle
The idea for the AK series came from the German MP44 Sturmgewehr or "Storm Gun" used in World War II.
I own an AR-15 Heavy Barrel Match Grade. She's sweet.
Background information on the US M16 Rifle
The idea for the AK series came from the German MP44 Sturmgewehr or "Storm Gun" used in World War II.
I own an AR-15 Heavy Barrel Match Grade. She's sweet.
And the MP44 was the first official assault rifle*, chambered in 7.92mm kurz (short). It was first introduced for the Battle of the Bulge and was highly effective (though when placed in the hands of green recruits, it was captured with the packing oil still fresh on it never having been fired!). The MP44 was designated as such (Machine Pistol, don't know the German offhand) to fool Hitler since he forbade the continuing development of the assault rifle when it was first presented to him. The designation was later changed to SG44 (Sturmgewehr, as noted above -- "storm"="assault" after Hitler realized its effectiveness and became enamoured with it.
I could have told you that Kalashnikov wasn't involved with the design of the M16 -- the M16 wouldn't have sucked so badly for so long if he had helped design it. The AK-47 is arguably the best assault rifle made to date for its longevity, effectiveness, ruggedness and manufacturing ease. You don't hear much about its successor, the AK-74, but it's a nice gun, too -- chambered in 5.45mm, IIRC (look for the plastic magazines).
Ah, all this useless knowledge.
*Contrary to what the gun grabbers say when they called the M1 Garand an assault rifle several years ago!!
after Hitler realized its effectiveness and became enamoured with it.I could have told you that Kalashnikov wasn't involved with the design of the M16 -- the M16 wouldn't have sucked so badly for so long if he had helped design it.
The AK-47 is arguably the best assault rifle made to date for its longevity, effectiveness, ruggedness and manufacturing ease. You don't hear much about its successor, the AK-74, but it's a nice gun, too -- chambered in 5.45mm, IIRC (look for the plastic magazines).Ah, all this useless knowledge.
*Contrary to what the gun grabbers say when they called the M1 Garand an assault rifle several years ago!!
The article and picture referred to is just a meeting that Kalashnikov and Stoner had about ten years ago. One design was in no way influenced by the other.
The trigger group on the AK is a rough copy of the Garand trigger group. Other ideas were used to come up with the AK. Kalashnikov was a Seargent in WWII. He came up with the design while recuperating in a hospital after being wounded. It was first manfactured in 1947. That is why it is an AK-47. In 1974 it was redesigned to take the new round and now we have the AK-74.
Stoner came up with his design in the late fifties if I remember correctly.
The trigger group on the AK is a rough copy of the Garand trigger group. Other ideas were used to come up with the AK. Kalashnikov was a Seargent in WWII. He came up with the design while recuperating in a hospital after being wounded. It was first manfactured in 1947. That is why it is an AK-47. In 1974 it was redesigned to take the new round and now we have the AK-74.
Stoner came up with his design in the late fifties if I remember correctly.
I could have told you that Kalashnikov wasn't involved with the design of the M16 -- the M16 wouldn't have sucked so badly for so long if he had helped design it. The AK-47 is arguably the best assault rifle made to date for its longevity, effectiveness, ruggedness and manufacturing ease. You don't hear much about its successor, the AK-74, but it's a nice gun, too -- chambered in 5.45mm, IIRC (look for the plastic magazines).
A very well designed assault rifle. The Yugoslavian and Russian manufactured versions had the highest quality. Many have an annoying clunk when the selector lever is actuated off safe. Very tolerant to foreign material (dirt, mud, dust, substandard powder). Decent shot groups too.
Stoner came up with his design in the late fifties if I remember correctly.
Yes he did. The AR-10. A fine rifle, too far ahead of it's time for the military-industrial complex of the fifties.
A very well designed assault rifle. The Yugoslavian and Russian manufactured versions had the highest quality. Many have an annoying clunk when the selector lever is actuated off safe. Very tolerant to foreign material (dirt, mud, dust, substandard powder). Decent shot groups too.
Stoner came up with his design in the late fifties if I remember correctly.
Yes he did. The AR-10. A fine rifle, too far ahead of it's time for the military-industrial complex of the fifties.
It's pretty amazing when you think about how many of our modern weapons are based on ideas originally created and fielded first (or most effectively) by the Germans.
And the curved barrel isn't new. German's designed one too, for the SG44 I think. For urban warfare, like Stalingrad. Problem with curved barrels is that I have pretty poor reliability, and when bullets start coming out of the side of the barrel...
Don't forget the AKM with its stamped reciever group. The AK was mostly a rechambered copy of the MP44... I didn't know about the Garand trigger being used. I guess Kalashnikov left off the garand safety, eh?
I fired these quite often in the military, they are not as accurate as you make them out to be, they are very robust though. An excellent infantry rifle, even though the bolt is not held open after the last shot.
The AK-74 is a more accurate, less robust version of the original. The russians went more like the M-16 on that one, with a lighter faster bullet.
DR
I fired these quite often in the military, they are not as accurate as you make them out to be, they are very robust though. An excellent infantry rifle, even though the bolt is not held open after the last shot.
The AK-74 is a more accurate, less robust version of the original. The russians went more like the M-16 on that one, with a lighter faster bullet.
DR
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