Might convert to "dark side"

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: PacFu
Well, be careful...I'm looking at comparable price.

Even though...
A64 3500+
with a
Gigabyte board

Why am I thinking about AMD??!! God, my prescott did bad things to my head.

haha, well I went to what I consider the "dark side" by trying a P4 last year.
I had a 2.4B with an EPoX 4PEA+ motherboard running at 2.9 GHz.. hated that system. (just didn't feel fast, and stability issues, likely due to the crappy epox board.) bought an XP2500+ Barton and NF2 Ultra400 board and have been happy ever since... give the A64 a go.. you will love it!

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: PacFu
By the way, I didnt think AMD had full chip heatspreaders...is this new for 939?

All Athlon64 and Opteron processors have had full chip heatspreaders.

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: zenwhen

Originally posted by: Mik3y
with socket 939, amd beats intel in every comparable benchmark. right now, there is nothing intel is better at then amd. not even encoding. dont think amd is flawed. as of now, intel is flawed. they've been doing horribly in the past several months and amd is ahead of the game. its sad, but intel is the underdog.

Stop being a mindless AMD fanboy.

Oh... I forgot. This is Anandtech.

AMD does NOT lead Intel in video encoding. They significantly TRAIL Intel in video encoding. They do so at every level, down every step, and in all situations besides rips to lossy Xvids.

Get your facts straight.

Also, look at some market share numbers before you call Intel an underdog.

AMD will never be the #1 chip maker. They are an enthusiast/server brand that leads in neither market.

I would say AMD is making quite the market share increase IMO. Last time I went to bestbuy theONLY systems I saw being bough were AMD's even AMD laptops which suprised the hell out of me. I would say that is helping AMD out ALOT. You are right it will be a LONG time before AMD can reach the same levels as Intel but I definatly think they are on the right path with the A64.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: JBT

Originally posted by: zenwhen

Originally posted by: Mik3y
with socket 939, amd beats intel in every comparable benchmark. right now, there is nothing intel is better at then amd. not even encoding. dont think amd is flawed. as of now, intel is flawed. they've been doing horribly in the past several months and amd is ahead of the game. its sad, but intel is the underdog.

Stop being a mindless AMD fanboy.

Oh... I forgot. This is Anandtech.

AMD does NOT lead Intel in video encoding. They significantly TRAIL Intel in video encoding. They do so at every level, down every step, and in all situations besides rips to lossy Xvids.

Get your facts straight.

Also, look at some market share numbers before you call Intel an underdog.

AMD will never be the #1 chip maker. They are an enthusiast/server brand that leads in neither market.

I would say AMD is making quite the market share increase IMO. Last time I went to bestbuy theONLY systems I saw being bough were AMD's even AMD laptops which suprised the hell out of me. I would say that is helping AMD out ALOT. You are right it will be a LONG time before AMD can reach the same levels as Intel but I definatly think they are on the right path with the A64.

I couldn't agree more.. if AMD keeps up the good work and continue to release kickass, cutting edge products, Intel and AMD will have one hell of a battle against each other on their hands

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: zenwhen

Originally posted by: Mik3y
with socket 939, amd beats intel in every comparable benchmark. right now, there is nothing intel is better at then amd. not even encoding. dont think amd is flawed. as of now, intel is flawed. they've been doing horribly in the past several months and amd is ahead of the game. its sad, but intel is the underdog.

Stop being a mindless AMD fanboy.

Oh... I forgot. This is Anandtech.

AMD does NOT lead Intel in video encoding. They significantly TRAIL Intel in video encoding. They do so at every level, down every step, and in all situations besides rips to lossy Xvids.

Get your facts straight.

Also, look at some market share numbers before you call Intel an underdog.

AMD will never be the #1 chip maker. They are an enthusiast/server brand that leads in neither market.

Good God chill out ya fan boy. Did you look at any recent benchmarks on the new platforms AMD beats Intel in every single test. Yes EVEN ENCODING.

Also we never called Intel an Underdog. They are having many problems right now, especially heat, power, and 90nm fabrication yeild. Yes intel still dominates the market, and it will take AMD many years of winning chips to challenge Intel.

We have our facts straight why dont you look at a review other than one from last year.

How do you know that AMD will never be the #1 chip maker. Seems like they are doing just fine keeping up. A couple years from now if they keep making good chips we could see them challenge intel in market shares.

Also how do you figure that AMD is an Enthusiast/Server brand and that it doesn't lead in either market.

AMD64 chips beat intel so win for AMD in enthusiast , midrange

At the lowend the Sempron crushes the Celerons, so does the old AXP.

In server Opteron walks all over the Xeons, until recently when Intel revamped the Xeons but once again are having trouble with heat, power, and keeping yeilds up.

In the Mobile market Intel kills the Pentium M is an awesome chip and AMD hasn't stepped up to the plate to try to comptete yet, all they do right now is modify their desktop processors whereas Pentium M is a whole new core based on the PIII IIRC.

In the Enterprise Market well.... yeah, AMD doesn't really have an enterprise level chip, yes the Opteron "beats" those chips in some things but it is in a completely different league. Neither AMD nor Intel have a good handhold on those markets. I believe Sun is the leader there.

I think i have covered everything.

Next time you post something like that watch it because maybe someone will call over an Anandtech moerator for acompletely biased post. Pretty much a troll. So unless you have something sensible to contribute to this thread shut the hell up.

-Kevin

 

[Stoneburner]

Didn't Intel's performance decrease with prescott + 925 or 915? I dont see how you can buy chips that are generally considered worse than the previous generation.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: zenwhen

Originally posted by: Mik3y
with socket 939, amd beats intel in every comparable benchmark. right now, there is nothing intel is better at then amd. not even encoding. dont think amd is flawed. as of now, intel is flawed. they've been doing horribly in the past several months and amd is ahead of the game. its sad, but intel is the underdog.

Stop being a mindless AMD fanboy.

Oh... I forgot. This is Anandtech.

AMD does NOT lead Intel in video encoding. They significantly TRAIL Intel in video encoding. They do so at every level, down every step, and in all situations besides rips to lossy Xvids.

Get your facts straight.

Also, look at some market share numbers before you call Intel an underdog.

AMD will never be the #1 chip maker. They are an enthusiast/server brand that leads in neither market.

What you need to do is learn how to read. The Anandtech article recnetly left no doubt that the new 939 series motherboards and cpus totally dominate the the 775 Intel motherboard/cpus series, and they are gaining market share in the server market very quickly due to a superior and less exspensive product, the Opteron series.

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: ZenWhen
Stop being a mindless AMD fanboy.

Oh... I forgot. This is Anandtech.

AMD does NOT lead Intel in video encoding. They significantly TRAIL Intel in video encoding. They do so at every level, down every step, and in all situations besides rips to lossy Xvids.

Get your facts straight.

Also, look at some market share numbers before you call Intel an underdog.

AMD will never be the #1 chip maker. They are an enthusiast/server brand that leads in neither market.

PeteRoy is back?! :shocked:

 

[Zebo]

ZenWhen

never is an aweful long time.. maybe you hope AMD never surpases Intel because then you'd be layed off from your job. Why? You're obviously dead wood and incompitant when you advertise obvious errors like "intel dominates at encoding"..even a child could counter that one. You musthave missed the FUD meeting in Santa Clara last week... here's a hint PCI express is all you got. Use it.

 

[WA261]

to let you know...my rig is about = to a 3.8 Intel.

And howcould you ever think "AMD" is the dark side? YOuahve it switched bro

he...I actually have both , AMD in rig and a 2.8 Intel...My daughter uses the Intel of course...

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Didn't Intel's performance decrease with prescott + 925 or 915? I dont see how you can buy chips that are generally considered worse than the previous generation.

Yep, the Prescotts are worse than the Northwoods clock-for-clock, even though they have 1MB of L2 cache.

 

[Mik3y]

zenwhen, stop being a mindless idiot. just because i like amd doesnt mean i make bullshit up. get YOUR facts straight before you flame. also, it is true that intel is the underdog in performance. i wasnt talking about market shares or popularity.

 

[clarkey01]

Why do Intel fan boys get there pants in a twist everytime AMD steps up to plate with something decent.

Christ.

Intel has Billions and miles apon miles of fabs, labs and millions in r&d.

AMD has a FRACTION of that. One Fab , and a few tech labs shared in r&d

Yet they step up and give it their best shot. AMD at this very moment offer better product for a wide range of users.

Intel Fan Boys, I DARE you to try and put the A64 down, PLEASE TRY

Prescott ? Too hot, clock for clock slower, and don?t listen to the people who say ? When it gets to 4Ghz it really shines?, Toms showed that aint case.

 

[clarkey01]

RISE AMD FAN BOYS.......TO THE END FELLA'S....... CHARGE !

lol

No really, I think anyone who's open minded will say that an A64 performs better then a P4 at the moment and is a more suited choice for someone who wants the latest and fastest, it's kind pointless to argue that point to Intel Fan boys. ( They still think Itanium is going places)

When it was 3200xp Vrs P4C 3.2Ghz, I couldnt stand by AMD and say "yeah it's better then a P4C 3.2Ghz", why ? becaues it's true, its the truth, being a little biased towards AMD for price performance ratio's aside, If I had to build a new pc this time last year I would gone with a P4C.

This time arounds its clear, A64 .... enough said.

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
RISE AMD FAN BOYS.......TO THE END FELLA'S....... CHARGE !

lol

No really, I think anyone who's open minded will say that an A64 performs better then a P4 at the moment and is a more suited choice for someone who wants the latest and fastest, it's kind pointless to argue that point to Intel Fan boys. ( They still think Itanium is going places)

When it was 3200xp Vrs P4C 3.2Ghz, I couldnt stand by AMD and say "yeah it's better then a P4C 3.2Ghz", why ? becaues it's true, its the truth, being a little biased towards AMD for price performance ratio's aside, If I had to build a new pc this time last year I would gone with a P4C.

This time arounds its clear, A64 .... enough said.

you are just like me! we think alike.

 

[justly]

I think zenwhen has received enough negative criticism, so I thought someone should thank him for this comment.

?AMD will never be the #1 chip maker. They are an enthusiast/server brand that leads in neither market. ?

As I see it zenwhen is a fine example of a pro Intel mentality, yet he calls AMD a ?server brand?. This speaks worlds to me, as I doubt many people would have considered AMD a ?server brand? a year and a half ago, especially someone that sounds so pro Intel.

Makes me wonder what these people will think of AMD a year from now.

 

[Mik3y]

i dont see how he can call amd a server brand when intel is just alike. so ya, amd is better in the server industry currently. does that make them only good for servers? no. it means their ahead of hte game in the corporate industry. will they stay topdog? no. everybody has their ups and downs, but amd currently has the larger edge over intel. note that i do like intel also. i have no problem with their machines, but for the cpu they include in the package, its not worth getting. i hate how they market the celerons that are crap and screw people over. i really like thier pentium M tho. typically, i like whichever company has the better product thats a reasonable price. compare the athlon fx, which are faster then the intel extreme editions and costs hundreds less. wut we all value is "we pay less than the competition, we get more then the competition".

 

[Mik3y]

and zenwhen, i apologize for calling you an idiot. i was just pissed at how you flamed me while you were so positive that i was wrong. no hard feelings.

 

[imported_zenwhen]

No hard feelings. I didn't mean AMD had no lead in performance. I was solely speaking of marketshare. AMD's performance leads are substantial in many areas, but the average consumer will buy Intel because of the name, and will continue to do so while being oblivious to any leads that AMD might have.

Sad but true... RC Cola will never lead Pepsi, and AMD will never lead Intel.

 

[clarkey01]

come on, Intel & AMD UNITE!

 

[clarkey01]

I remember of the musings of IBM & Microsoft buying AMD, I was hoping one of them would with the good intension of pumping huge amounts of money into the company.

If AMD had either company?s money, they?d market themselves a lot better, R&D would be trebled, maybe a few more fabs, provided there was demand.

It?s hard to say whether Intel will ever step down from there market share position , I wouldn?t say ?Never?, perhaps when AMD has FAB36 online along with the already present FAB30 and the capacity @ East Fishkill they might have the ability to deliver in significant volumes. Marketing is a problem for AMD, you cant really say anymore, the funds aren?t there. Plus Intel has the ability of back handers, they?ll throw money @ business?s just to keep ?Intel Inside?.

We may or should I say they may never get to the top, but I?m glad there here, but don?t get me wrong, If Intel released a faster chip @ a lower price with better gaming performance then I?d have it, just to show you all I haven?t blindly sworn my allegiance to AMD, however I like them more so then Intel.


RISE

My 2000 + is still alive and kicking and beats my friends 2.2 Northwood?.RISE

lol

 

[yourdeardaniel]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
come on, Intel & AMD UNITE!

and higher price for CPUs? :roll:

 

[clarkey01]

it was a joke, but if you read overclockers.com, PIV'S will be cheaper then equivalent hammers.

But the again, if you believe everything they say AMD are going out of business, despite putting 3 profitable quaters together.

 

[Vee]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
...
AMD64 chips beat intel so win for AMD in enthusiast , midrange

At the lowend the Sempron crushes the Celerons, so does the old AXP.

In server Opteron walks all over the Xeons, until recently when Intel revamped the Xeons but once again are having trouble with heat, power, and keeping yeilds up.

In the Mobile market Intel kills the Pentium M is an awesome chip and AMD hasn't stepped up to the plate to try to comptete yet, all they do right now is modify their desktop processors whereas Pentium M is a whole new core based on the PIII IIRC.

In the Enterprise Market well.... yeah, AMD doesn't really have an enterprise level chip, yes the Opteron "beats" those chips in some things but it is in a completely different league. Neither AMD nor Intel have a good handhold on those markets. I believe Sun is the leader there.

I think i have covered everything.

That is much of the current situation. I was pushed into the AMD camp by Intel themselves, with the very puny '386/'387 performance of the Pentium4. I can't say I'm particularly unhappy about it. Maybe I've even become brainwashed by all the kids on these forums , because I'm beginning to feel like an AMD fan.

Anyway, I think you missed something. Even if one insists on 32-bit software longevity, (which might not be so smart), the new 754 Semprons are going to hit Intels P4B/P4C/P4E value in media encoding real hard.

Also, new Prescott Xeons have done absolutely nothing to redress their position against Opterons. There was an unfortunate recent review, containing lots of irrelevant benchmarks, that might have given the unwary that impression. But really, only thing different was the benchmark selection. Opteron is as vastly superiour as ever.

Frankly, Intel looks like a poor buy for everything , but a battery operated laptop (Pentium M ).
And it's not like their future plans have me particularly excited either.

Next time you post something like that watch it because maybe someone will call over an Anandtech moerator for acompletely biased post. Pretty much a troll. So unless you have something sensible to contribute to this thread shut the hell up.

-Kevin

Calm down. I didn't think his post was exactly "a troll". Maybe he could have dropped the "Stop being a mindless AMD fanboy. Oh... I forgot. This is Anandtech". But please, surely we can argue in a civilized manner.:beer:

 

[ZobarStyl]

If Intel can't get off it's behind and use something other than name brand recognition to sell chips, 2005 is going to mark serious gains for AMD (doesn't mean that they'll 'dominate') and once they hit oh say that magical 33% of the market and people see more of their products Intel can't rely on "Intel Inside" selling PC's when the perf just isn't there.