Might be the beginning of a white South African refugee influx in Canada.

[dennilfloss]

Seems as though reconciliation is not working as well as was claimed a few years ago. Now that a couple of white South Africans have been approved for refugee status, there's a good chance others will follow.

http://www.ottawasun.com/news/...09/08/28/10659546.html

 

[Schadenfroh]

Can you blame anyone for wanting to bail on the situation in South Africa?

That is... assuming studies like this are true:
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28% said they had raped a woman or girl, and 3% said they had raped a man or boy. Almost half who said they had carried out a rape admitted they had done so more than once, with 73% saying they had carried out their first assault before the age of 20.

 

[sandorski]

Well, what comes around goes around. Not surprised by this.

 

[Rastus]

Ain't the first time the Boers have gone trekking.

 

[StageLeft]

Not surprising. I have always found it just kind of weird that whites live in South Africa. I mean, it wasn't long ago they were literally the ruling class stepping on the Blacks. I imagine many are perfectly nice people at least now if not then. Something I've had a really hard time finding is "What it's like living in South Africa as a white person".

I've googled it before. I would like to know what it's like, how segregated are they? Are they often the victims of violence, do they feel welcome there, what circles do they run in, etc. Does anybody here know?

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I would like to know what it's like, how segregated are they? Are they often the victims of violence, do they feel welcome there, what circles do they run in, etc. Does anybody here know?

I am curious about this as well. I have never met anyone from South Africa, so I am a bit at a loss.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

It was only a matter of time. I'm surprised they haven't already completely fled the country.

 

[Colt45]

Probably should have left the day they got rid of apartheid.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Can you blame anyone for wanting to bail on the situation in South Africa?

That is... assuming studies like this are true:
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28% said they had raped a woman or girl, and 3% said they had raped a man or boy. Almost half who said they had carried out a rape admitted they had done so more than once, with 73% saying they had carried out their first assault before the age of 20.

Rape is bad enough, but South Africa has some of the highest HIV rates in the world.

Time to go.

 

[StageLeft]

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[waggy]

i s anyone really suprised? and yeah i would have left years ago.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Not surprising. I have always found it just kind of weird that whites live in South Africa. I mean, it wasn't long ago they were literally the ruling class stepping on the Blacks. I imagine many are perfectly nice people at least now if not then. Something I've had a really hard time finding is "What it's like living in South Africa as a white person".

I've googled it before. I would like to know what it's like, how segregated are they? Are they often the victims of violence, do they feel welcome there, what circles do they run in, etc. Does anybody here know?

They live in gated communities with guards, like Americans living in Mexico. On top of that, they have flame thrower car alarms.

South Africa is rather productive for an African nation though. They make Ubuntu!

 

[Oceandevi]

Dont many of these former colonial states do poorly after power changes hands?

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Fox5
South Africa is rather productive for an African nation though. They make Ubuntu!

A South African guy founded it (holds dual citizenship with the UK), but it looks like most of the operations take place abroad.

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Canonical is registered in the Isle of Man and employs staff around the world, along with its main offices in London, support office in Montreal and OEM team in Lexington, Massachusetts, USA.

Originally posted by: Skoorb
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Thanks for posting this.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Fox5

They live in gated communities with guards, like Americans living in Mexico.

On top of that, they have flame thrower car alarms.

Yep, comes as a standard feature on just about all models including Mercedes Benz.

 

[Infohawk]

A lot of them had been leaving for some time.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Oceandevi
Dont many of these former colonial states do poorly after power changes hands?

I think they pretty much all have done very badly after.

 

[StageLeft]

link

Every skilled South African who leaves makes 10 unskilled workers jobless, according to research by the University of South Africa (Unisa) in Pretoria.

article is 5 years old, though.

 

[fornax]

Many, many whites fled in the 1990s, a lot of them moving here, to Canada and Europe. The situation was so bad that Mandela met personally with whites' representatives, took care to provide extra security for the white enclaves, etc. Virtually all science, management and high-tech people were white (90% or so) and if they kept leaving, the situation would have resembled Zimbabwe of the past 20 years.

I have a good friend in SA who is a white woman. She lived here for some time, but moved back to take up an engineering job. She visits every two years or so, and the last time we met she said that she's probably moving back to the US next year. The election of the new president (a buffoon not unlike Bush Jr.) only made things worse. Now white has become a dirty word in SA, and she said the situation is now worse than it was right after the black came to power - wide-spread corruption, unbelievable crime rates, zero protection from the state for whites and blacks alike, unless you're in government or rich enough to provide for your own security.

She has a German shepherd dog that she never leaves the house without, and has survived several attempts of robbery, car hijacking and rape with the dog's help.

 

[JKing106]

Fuck 'em. They should be forced to stay there. You made your bed, lie in it. Don't have any black in you? You're about to.

 

[BarrySotero]

South Africa is rape capital of the world. Nobody with any sense can raise kids in a place where 25% of the men openly confess to being rapists.


Quarter of men in South Africa admit rape, survey finds
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...uth-africa-rape-survey

 

[Bitek]

This is mostly BS. My father in law is from Cape Town (non-white) and a good friend lives in JOburg.
I've went to SA and met lots of people of many races and suffered no ill will. Things are actually really nice there. Everytime you hear a Africa story its always how F'd up and backwards they are, but the story on the ground is much different. People are much more open and free to discuss race there in a way that is quite refreshing. We have a hard time discussing race here for fear of saying anything that may get misconstrued as racist, so we instead pretend everyone is the same.

There are problems there like anywhere (esp Joburg) but I felt as welcome as anybody, and as safe as nearly anywhere in the US (outside of the local hellholes of Camden NJ and parts of Philly, Newark, NJ, etc.)

 

[Paddington]

South Africa is not as bad as Zimbabwe where it was practically hunting season on whites. Due to the leadership of Nelson Mandela, there wasn't some massive purge or payback. But South Africa does have high crime rates and stringent affirmative action/quota type laws that are onerous.

 

[Paddington]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Not surprising. I have always found it just kind of weird that whites live in South Africa. I mean, it wasn't long ago they were literally the ruling class stepping on the Blacks. I imagine many are perfectly nice people at least now if not then. Something I've had a really hard time finding is "What it's like living in South Africa as a white person".

I've googled it before. I would like to know what it's like, how segregated are they? Are they often the victims of violence, do they feel welcome there, what circles do they run in, etc. Does anybody here know?

They live in gated communities with guards, like Americans living in Mexico. On top of that, they have flame thrower car alarms.

South Africa is rather productive for an African nation though. They make Ubuntu!

South Africa is a bit like an oil republic. They have diamond wealth coming in. In fact I wonder if the difference b/w SA and Zimbabwe is not so much leadership as it is the fact that SA's diamond wealth (in addition to enriching the Debeers) pays out enough economic and political "rent" to keep the underclass happy.

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: JKing106
Fuck 'em. They should be forced to stay there. You made your bed, lie in it. Don't have any black in you? You're about to.

Why so bitter

/friend of mine moved from Canada to South Africa, he seems to enjoy living there