Midwesterners - Accent, or lack there of?

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Moonbeam

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Everyone in every place in every language has an accent.
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Riiiiiiiiiight, that's why we have the term Standard English.
 

Emrys

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I'm from MN and in Mass right now, nobody here thinks I have an accent. Must mean everybody else has one:p
 

Jfur

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Midwesterners have distinct accents and they draaaaaaaaaaaaawl. They also speak really, really, reaaly slow ;)
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Everyone in every place in every language has an accent.
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Riiiiiiiiiight, that's why we have the term Standard English.
At a macro level, everyone in this country has an American accent and everyone in England has an English accent. Drill it down a bit and we have regional accents in each country. It is impossible to NOT have an accent.
 

Jfur

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Everyone in every place in every language has an accent.
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Riiiiiiiiiight, that's why we have the term Standard English.
At a macro level, everyone in this country has an American accent and everyone in England has an English accent. Drill it down a bit and we have regional accents in each country. It is impossible to NOT have an accent.

Unless of course, someone lives in the center of the Universe, with other people are regions floating around them, increasingly imperfect as they recede from the source of linguistic genesis.
 

Thanks for bringing this subject up, VI Edit. I too get into argument with people about it. In my view, Midwesterners have an accent too. I agree completely with Mwilding and Jellomencer.

"Technically, the Midwestern 'accent' is standard American English (as distinct from British English). So to be technical about it, Midwesterners do not have an accent. (Note that I am not including the Upper Peninsula of MI or areas of northern Wisconsin in my definition of 'Midwest' as the U.P. and northern Wisconsin both have accents that are uniquely northern.)

On the other hand, if you want to play fast and loose with the definition of 'accent', and claim that an accent is any manner of speaking that is different than the manner of speaking the same language and the same dialect, then yes, the Midwest has an accent."


Speaking of technicality, one should start with definition first. The technical definition of accent is (from the Oxford English Dicitionary): a particular mode of pronunciation, esp. one associated with a particular region or group; style of pronunciation of region or social group.

Everyone technically has an accent. If we followed your definition, then if an individual of a different ethnic group grows around, say, the English people and adapts to the English accent, then he has not accent because it wasn't of his origin. But this isn't so. Midwesterners do have an accent as do everyone else. You can argue that they can't be identified, therefore they have no accent. But if this were so, then you have a paradoxical situation. If one can identify one by their accent, then how could you tell that they were Midwesterners? If it weren't the case, then why would there be dictionaries with phonetics or why would the speech experts be able to train one to speak a certain way with pronunciations? There would be no such thing as phonetics for the Midwesterner and no such thing as training one to "lose an accent" without adjusting to another accent in the process.

The only logical way to make an argument that Midwesterners have no accent would be if one sets that as the frame of reference by which everyone else is judged. But if we do that, then what stops us from using the British accent as the frame of reference for the English language?

And I should add that it isn't true that Midwesterners are any easier to understand. They're like any other group of people. If you bring someone of a different accent from a different region who speaks English perfectly well but had never met a Midwesterner, never heard Midwestern music, never watched a movie with Midwestern characters, for instance, that person would have as much problem understanding the Midwesterner during his (or her) first encounter.
 

Moonbeam

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Unless of course, someone lives in the center of the Universe, with other people are regions floating around them, increasingly imperfect as they recede from the source of linguistic genesis.
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Jfur, you can feel that too? :D
 

Jfur

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Unless of course, someone lives in the center of the Universe, with other people are regions floating around them, increasingly imperfect as they recede from the source of linguistic genesis.
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Jfur, you can feel that too? :D

we've seen some of the same cosmic arrows, haven't we? :)
 

Farmall

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I live in MN, there are several accents in this state alone. Neighbors to the west sound a lot like us, neighbors on the east sound quite a bit different. Go to the UP of MI and you can hardly understand them. I think on average midwesterners talk slower than the west coast does. I moved here from WA a while back and I have people tell me I talk to fast.

 

PsychoAndy

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I dont think theres an actual "accent" per se, but there are common characteristics that differentiate midwestern diction from other municiplaites.

For one, they dont use big words as much. They speak fairly clear and theres no particular inflections of a certain letters (IE: In Boston, you "pahk" the "cah". "R" is pronounced with more of an "H").

IIRC, Midwesterners are usually in broadcasting as their accent (or perhaps, the lack thereof) leads to clear communication.

-PAB
 

slpaulson

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I'm from Wisconsin, but I think most of the people here sound like people on tv.
Unless you go to Stevens Point or some other highly Polish areas.

I'm from the barren wasteland of central Wisconsin...

But yeah, everybody has an accent of some sort.
 

markuskidd

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What's considered neutral is completely arbitrary. There is no way to not have an acccent. Every region has their own set of sounds for consonants, vowels, etc. If Midwestern is favored right now as the archetypal American English, that's cool -- it's the accent that I have (with a bit of Ohio mixed in, and Appalachian Kentuckian if I'm talking with my paternal grandmother). Many might say that those BBC broadcasters don't have an accent either, but I think that most people in Kansas would disagree. It's all relative.
 

Chaotic42

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Pffffffff

Midwesterners have an accent. I moved to Indiana from Mississippi, and everyone sounds kind of German. I guess they are, since all they eat is sausage, sourkraut, and other nasty things.
 

KokomoGST

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it varies... Chicago has a few distinct accents... you have the hicks, hardcore Chicago accent, and a more muted general midwestern accent. My only sample of midwestern speech came from attending the University of Illinois @ Urbana-Champaign but that's a fairly big percentage of St Louis, Michigan, central IL, and Chicago all there.

My observation (coming from NJ and also being a 2nd gen immigrant) is that most typical (non-hicks nor city-specfic accents) midwesterners do speak slowly and very distinctly enuciate words. Some people like me would say "over-enuciate" since my accent and speech patterns are rapidfire and butcher words for the sake of speed. "Lemme 'ax' you a kestion..." is one of my fav examples of how a lot of people in NY/NJ speak. I noticed that when I went back and forth between school and home that I found myself almost getting impatient in the "slowness" of most people's speech. It wasn't really that much slower but it's amazing how your mind can pick up on things like that.

Yeah, I agree that it is very close to Standard English... but I think there is enough variance from it that you can loosely call it an "accent." I also have to agree that to some degree midwestern speech is easy to understand. But of course coming from NY metro, I was sometimes completely clueless as to what people were saying sometimes... especially since slang and other stuff does vary a lot.

Funny thing is that overseas... a lot of people want American English with a light NY/West Coast accent because that's what they see in the media. i.e. Coffee = Cawfee, obviously not severely & comically "AW" as Mike Myers on SNL but it's definitely not Caaaffffee.