Microsoft XP64 Bit Drivers, Beta and Availability . . .

[gaylesdaddy]

Let's see-
can't get my hp printer to work
can't get my wintv card to work
can't get my palm to communicate
can't get my....
mostly can't figure out why I even tried to switch to xp64
I guess I didn't suffer enough trying os2 and linux

 

[gaylesdaddy]

I got my nforce sata raid to work by downloading the xp64 drivers onto my laptop transferring the requested files to floppy and installing them when requested

 

[ViRGE]

The WinTV card doesn't surprise me, though the printer and the Palm do. At least with PocketPC devices, they don't require a special driver, so installing the normal 32bit ActiveSync software allowed it to work just fine under XP64. As for the printer, what printer is it? I could swear XP64 shipped with a ginormous amount of printer drivers already loaded.

 

[MadOni0n]

I've been thinking about download the windows 64. Is there a performance increase? Or does the lack of AMD drivers real hurt?

 

[ViRGE]

There's not really a performance increase at this point since most software is 32bit, not to mention the beta state of the software and the extra memory requirements as a result. Drivers aren't actually that bad as long as you don't have any unusual hardware(i.e in my system the only thing I can't find drivers for is my TV tuner).

 

[gaylesdaddy]

the guys at hauppauge replyied to my email and said that they are NOT working on drivers for xp64
my printer is a hp psc 1350, guess i'll have to look for a new printer if i want to keep xp64 permanently

one more can't-
can't get ie to display macromedia flash

it's a laugher but I'm using netscape as I write this

ha ha and a very happy new year to all of you hoping that next year brings more drivers

 

[mastertech01]

can't get ie to display macromedia flash

Did you try opening 32bit IE and installing it? I doubt 64bit IE will run much of anything yet.

 

[ViRGE]

There isn't a 64bit version of Flash, so yea, you need to use a 32bit browser right now. As for the printer, if the drivers aren't in Windows right now, then you're SOL for the meantime. All of HPs 64bit drivers that seem to exist are in there.

 

[mastertech01]

New drivers posted for Creative Beta which was set to expire tommorrow!! Creative Drivers WinXP 64-bit

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: mastertech01
New drivers posted for Creative Beta which was set to expire tommorrow!! Creative Drivers WinXP 64-bit

Yea, I have to give Creative credit here. They've not only pushed out good drivers, but put a time bomb in them that has effectively forced them to keep updating the drivers. That's more than any other audio driver vendor so far.

 

[mastertech01]

Its a good thing too, because the 1289 builds require a driver "decoration" in order for them to install. The Creative drivers were updated to that effect. Although adding in a "decoration" yourself is not all that difficult and you can modify the registry to accept non "decorated" driver for now anyway. That will probably change when it goes gold.

 

[ViRGE]

What is "decoration?"

 

[mastertech01]

Its a special identifier for the platform. Read about it in the latest release notes.

Release notes download

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: mastertech01
Its a special identifier for the platform. Read about it in the latest release notes.

Release notes download

Ahh, thanks. I had to tweak some drivers to get everything kosher.

 

[ViRGE]

Well, I've had some time to mess with 1289, and it's suffcient to say that it's not just the best release of XP x64 so far, but it's leaps and bounds ahead of the previous releases. Microsoft has finally patched up the OS so that it has quit eating memory like Roseanne Barr at a AYCE buffet(and made it quick leaking memory like the Titanic leaked water), and that has a big boost on the usefulness of it. They've also added what seems to be a sizable amount of drivers to this release, so now X-series Radeons and other new hardware works OOB(Out Of the Box). Driver support still isn't ideal(it didn't recognize my on-board NIC or SI 3112 RAID), but it's about as perfect as it's going to get. At this point, other than when I want to use my TV card(which is rare), I have no reason to kick over to XP32, so I think I'm going to stay in XP64 as long as I can get away with it. You guys waiting on the CPP version later this month are in for a treat.

 

[DV8]

<< preformance increase?? >> the only article i found on it was this....

>> i dont really see the benefits of upgrading now unless i want headaches....better driver support is needed....

 

[ViRGE]

There are performance increases, but they will come slowly as software is first ported to AMD64, and then finally written natively in it. Though if you're worried about headaches, get out of this forum, you're not a true geek. :beer:

PS Driver support is fine. Like I said, only my TV card isn't supported

 

[LocutusX]

i'm not so sure if driver support is "fine".

"fine" driver support would be (to me) support for all hardware commonly used by enthusiasts and support for all "features" of the hardware.
perhaps it will be "fine" once XP64 goes RTM, but I don't think it's there yet.

build 1289 will really have to impress me for me to kick over to using it on a semi-permanent basis. the biggest drawback IMO is the lack of a 64-bit build of my favorite browser.... obviously that isn't MSFT's fault, but I still wonder why mozilla devs are having such a tough time getting it to work properly.

also, anyone know if there are XP64 drivers for the Logitech MX Duo?

 

[mastertech01]

I know its not Mozilla, but Maxthon is a nice browser extension for IE and has many tools like the Nix alternatives. It works well with 1289 and 1218.

 

[ViRGE]

LocutusX, what hardware are you thinking of that doesn't have driver support so far, but it used by enthusiasts? AMD64 motherboards are well represented, as are all video cards and sound cards(CL, most popular on-board, etc), network cards, SATA cards, etc. What isn't supported that has you concerned?

PS Does the MX Duo even need drivers? Mice are about as Plug &amp; Play as you can get

PPS http://www.mozilla-x86-64.com/ Someone is working on it, but the Moz guys don't seem too interested in any 64bit stuff, especially Windows related

 

[LocutusX]

i was thinking more in terms of support for "advanced" features.

i.e. for the MX Duo we would use the traybar apps to support the extra keys, scroll wheel, configure the custom buttons, check battery level etc.

for the CL drivers - i havent tried the new ones post Jan. 5 - but with the older one it was very simple AFAIK, it basically just got DirectSound and waveOut working. How about proper support for CMSS and all that jazz.

i would agree that basic support for most devices is there.


for firefox, i'm hoping that at least some of the third party "community edition" folks will build a 64-bit version but so far it isn't happening. referring to the optimized 32-bit builds by moox, mmoy etc.

 

[ViRGE]

For the Duo, wouldn't the current 32bit app work just fine? IIRC, Logitech just installs a monitoring app, they don't install an actual driver. As for the CL stuff, I've had 3D sound and CMSS working on builds before Jan 5th, with the only thing lagging is a bit of performance. With these new ones, I don't have any complaints I can think of.

As for Firefox, now that I think about it, I would say some of the trouble has to do with just building a 64bit app right now. GCC's AMD64 support is still very weak, and there is not an AMD64 Cygwin build yet either. Then there are the guys that use Visual Studio, but they'd need to use VS2005, which is a whole another can of worms.

 

[Durnik]

To all,

just built a new (my first) 64 bit system using a MSI board and the XP 64 beta. Everything (NIC, vid, Etc.) installed fina and is working fine. However, I cant seem to find a monitoring utility to show me the system's temp and health. Anyone have an idea of where I can find such an app? (the MSI download causes XP to reboot once I get the error msg from the MSI app that their driver failed to load and click the OK button)

Secondarily, anyone know how to get the 'safe' mode of XP to show up in the boot process? All I get is the bios message and then straight into the XP loading OS (blocks highlighting from left to right) I can't seem to find anyway to get into safe mode and hitting "F8" has no effect anywhere in that process.

My thanks,

Durnik

 

[mastertech01]

Well I dont know what the problem would be with safemode. I read your post and rebooted just to see what the options were and it had full options for everything. Im running 1289 RC1. Dont recall any problems with it running 1218 either. I just hit F8 as the OS starts to initialize. Maybe your bios boots so fast you have to hit f8 early..Ive had a couple systems like that. I just start hitting f8 repeatedly when I think it should start. Sometimes you have to GRAB it.. LOL

 

[ViRGE]

Durnik, try Motherboard Monitor. It should do what you want, and runs just fine on XP64.