Honestly I don't know what you're raving about. NV is one of the few threads that has held PC gaming together and given it some credibility. There simply is no brand recognition to the platform except for TWIMTBP and MS' weaker-than-it-should-be GFW. What does AMD know about the gaming community? They only recently learned how to spell game and figured they'd prove it by using all caps.....GAME! Next up, they'll learn to spell overclock....OVERCLOCK!
Yeah because their current partnership is so much better. Maybe they can keep it going and improve on the 360, maybe change the LED color on the XBox 720 and come up with a whole new angle....
Blue Ring of Death sounds good...or maybe Amber....A-ROD ftw.......oh wait....
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I really think you should find out who's design was in the Xbox . ATI simply made a chip to ms specs. Ms new they were releaseing DX10. MS did this by design so as to screw PC gaming . If consols don't require DX10 than games wouldn't be made for DX 10 and latter ported to more powerful PC gamers.
As far as larrabe goes all it has to do is play the old games smoothly at exceptable FPS nothing more . Needs great IQ also. Than I will buy along with millions of other people.
This part here . Read the Intel pdf.
I seriously doubt that's going to happen, being Larrabee is going to have to software emulate DX, which should slow down the true hardware performance of Larrabee
PDF says no hit . You need to read more about compilers and their relationship to cache and a vertex unit its al really interesting stuff. Intel turned the tables a bit on how I assumed it would be done You see with enough cache the emulation you speak of has no performance hit. Something amother cpu company found out . They emulated X86 and the performance hit was hugh . More cache and few other goodies problem does away. . I never in a million years thought they would go X86 But again I love it. . Intel years ago wanted to go Epic but meet with hugh disapproval. Now that Intel is pushing X86 massively other players are looking for alternitve solutions to get there hardware apps capable. So intel says ya don't want a better solution so well bury ha in what ya thought ya wanted . Poetic justice.
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Originally posted by: chizow
Honestly I don't know what you're raving about. NV is one of the few threads that has held PC gaming together and given it some credibility. There simply is no brand recognition to the platform except for TWIMTBP and MS' weaker-than-it-should-be GFW. What does AMD know about the gaming community? They only recently learned how to spell game and figured they'd prove it by using all caps.....GAME! Next up, they'll learn to spell overclock....OVERCLOCK!
Yeah because their current partnership is so much better. Maybe they can keep it going and improve on the 360, maybe change the LED color on the XBox 720 and come up with a whole new angle....
Blue Ring of Death sounds good...or maybe Amber....A-ROD ftw.......oh wait....
Look I think NV has good products OK . But the shit NV has pulled is unforgiveable . AEG was disgusting . I thought the Pawning those guys took befor the 4850 4870 launch was the best I have ever seen . Thank you very much. Forcing game makers to optimise for Nv . or worse forcing games to close features AC.
Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: ginfest
Originally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: ginfest
Originally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: ginfest
destroy greedy, dishonest, arrogant NV
Fixed...
Can't wait when three of them will step on the evil n...
Suggest you peruse the CPU forums, the same folks now evangelizing Intel are the ones who used your terms to describe them each and every time they put a hurtin' on AMD
And no, to the other poster, I'm not anti-Intel, I use what works best and Intel has generally has had that product
Yes no one is perfect but for the most part others play fair unlike the evil n, creating their own standards (or should I say trying) and not following the whole industry. I bought nvidia since TNT days and every generation thereafter and never understood the meaning of Nvidiot, until now...
Let's see, I read the same pre-launch hype, then the reviews, then bought one of the first 4870's Installed the Cats+HF and the 3 games that I was playing, all had problems. Not to mention the fan "fix", excessive noise and heat
So the 4870 wasn't the solution for me, and I went to an NV card. And that makes it ok for you to hurl an "insult" with a wink and a nod. Because i have a product from the evil n in my machine
Of course NV's track record for what you term "evil" is similar to both Intel and MS. You know the "greedy, dishonest, arrogant" part
I see you don't have the courage of your convictions, using the Intel and MS stuff eh
I'll give you a friendly tip, divest yourself of all the "evil" ones and your credibility will soar
I don't see your point,I went from Nvidia to 4870 card and ALL my games run fine(try 22 so far tested in my Vista x64),no drivers issues at all in fact Nvidia drivers gave me more issues on uninstalling even with Driver Sweeper in safe mode I still had 3 Nvidia .dll files trying to load at startup after reboot(Regedit fixed that problem),I guess Nvidia need to work on their uninstalling method in Vista x64..
For the record my 4870 is quiet even in gaming with no fan hack,heat factor is not an issue and is blown out of proportion as always.
For me the NV card is working better. That's my only point. I'm glad that you are having no issues
Like you, I am running Vista x64 but the cats gave me "flickering" textures in AoC where there were none b4, weird shadows in ME, where I had none b4, and my EA sports games also didn't run as well. And with the fan fix 35% or more, the noise was noticeable in my machine. Again, my current card doesn't have that prob.
There is a lot more, but as a I said, use what works for you, I've been speaking to my own experiences.
And if NV works better in this case for me, should I be subjected a snide aside by a keyboard warrior?
My involvement in this thread was not to denigrate the 48xx line but in response to the non-nonsensical NV bashing, both in this thread and throughout this forum. Suddenly AMD/ATI becomes competitive, and that is great as NV was forced to lower it's prices
But should that mandate that these the BS threads be created and rampant 48xx "pimping" continued in quite a few threads ?
AMD/ATI made the GPU which is not the cause of RROD. RROD is from cold solder joints, and has nothing to do with AMD/ATI. Nvidia on the other hand screw over MS with the 1st xbox.
@Nemesis 1
Listen to yourself MS purposely screwed over DX10 users. Why would MS do that and then make Vista the only supported DX10 OS? One of the main reason to go over to vista was for DX10. They even made Halo2 DX10 only.
The Xenon again was a early version of R600. The 360 was released a year before DX10 was even out, that's why it's not in the 360. The same reason it didn't come with HDMI.
Regarding Larrabee there will be a performace hit no matter what on mapping DX instructions to it's software renderer. Question is how big of a hit will there be?
As far as intel only having to run good on older games I disagree. Intel needs to really show that Larrabee is here to stay otherwise it's just going to be a new way to make GPUs and nothing more. Question is when Intel is finally ready to release what will Nvidia and AMD/ATI have out? I put my money on Nvidia and AMD/ATI, until benchmarks prove otherwise.
Regarding this thread though. It's just a another way to stick it to NV right now.
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Well Many would Agree with ya . and so do I . But I think Hybred RT is here with the release of Larrabee with A game released from Intels game company . The software Physics should be great also.
Chevy . This is my topic so I guess we can do this . I want you to read this blog.
Now the article is way off. But ya need to read some of the stuff thats in here . Its real.
This is the reason I was convinced Larrabee would be EPIC . Same as ATI is Epic.
But look how it turned out . Now I don't really know what the hell it is intels up to . But its a good plan .
Now anyone who reads the blog . If you find something interesting that may apply to AMD Intel Or NV in the near term and within roadmaps. . Copy it post it and lets talk, this is some good shit . It wasn't so much befor But what we know now makes this interesting .
Lets play have some fun damit.
http://techknowledger.blogspot...nowledger_archive.html
Chevy Vista may not have been done Befor Xbox3 But DX10probably was ready. Xbox isn't an OS. Its a game consol MS could have made it DX10. R500 and R600 were being done at the same time . MS got priority of course.
Chevy . This is my topic so I guess we can do this . I want you to read this blog.
Now the article is way off. But ya need to read some of the stuff thats in here . Its real.
This is the reason I was convinced Larrabee would be EPIC . Same as ATI is Epic.
But look how it turned out . Now I don't really know what the hell it is intels up to . But its a good plan .
Now anyone who reads the blog . If you find something interesting that may apply to AMD Intel Or NV in the near term and within roadmaps. . Copy it post it and lets talk, this is some good shit . It wasn't so much befor But what we know now makes this interesting .
Lets play have some fun damit.
http://techknowledger.blogspot...nowledger_archive.html
Chevy Vista may not have been done Befor Xbox3 But DX10probably was ready. Xbox isn't an OS. Its a game consol MS could have made it DX10. R500 and R600 were being done at the same time . MS got priority of course.
Nemesis 1
Read the blog you linked. End result is intel looking to stuff as many cores as possible one die. Of coures with many cores comes power consumption concerns and they gutted as much as possible to make that work. The one thing I'm a little concerned about is single thread appz. It's going to come down to developers to write threads for each core in order to see the full power. Most games now are only run on 2-3 cores, forget about 16.
Now at least with Larrabee there shouldn't be a problem with using all the cores.
Multicore GPU and CPU are the future, but getting them to work as one entity is the goal. Hyrda engine is also on the table as well. If Hyrda works right we could see great scaling across multiple GPUs giving use similar results as Larrabee.
Regarding DX10. One more time it wasn't ready which is a reason it wasn't on the 360. Remember again 360 came out in nov 2005 the hardware had to be done by at least by mid 2005. Nvidia didn't have DX10 cards until nov 2006 and ATI didn't have their's until may of 2007. Simply was to early, which again is NV fault. NV want to much $ for xbox parts, and MS was losing money each time they had to price drop the xbox. This force them to leave the original xbox earlier than they had hoped.
Read the blog you linked. End result is intel looking to stuff as many cores as possible one die. Of coures with many cores comes power consumption concerns and they gutted as much as possible to make that work. The one thing I'm a little concerned about is single thread appz. It's going to come down to developers to write threads for each core in order to see the full power. Most games now are only run on 2-3 cores, forget about 16.
Now at least with Larrabee there shouldn't be a problem with using all the cores.
Multicore GPU and CPU are the future, but getting them to work as one entity is the goal. Hyrda engine is also on the table as well. If Hyrda works right we could see great scaling across multiple GPUs giving use similar results as Larrabee.
Regarding DX10. One more time it wasn't ready which is a reason it wasn't on the 360. Remember again 360 came out in nov 2005 the hardware had to be done by at least by mid 2005. Nvidia didn't have DX10 cards until nov 2006 and ATI didn't have their's until may of 2007. Simply was to early, which again is NV fault. NV want to much $ for xbox parts, and MS was losing money each time they had to price drop the xbox. This force them to leave the original xbox earlier than they had hoped.
Mem
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Originally posted by: ginfest
Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: ginfest
Originally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: ginfest
Originally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: ginfest
destroy greedy, dishonest, arrogant NV
Fixed...
Can't wait when three of them will step on the evil n...
Suggest you peruse the CPU forums, the same folks now evangelizing Intel are the ones who used your terms to describe them each and every time they put a hurtin' on AMD
And no, to the other poster, I'm not anti-Intel, I use what works best and Intel has generally has had that product
Yes no one is perfect but for the most part others play fair unlike the evil n, creating their own standards (or should I say trying) and not following the whole industry. I bought nvidia since TNT days and every generation thereafter and never understood the meaning of Nvidiot, until now...
Let's see, I read the same pre-launch hype, then the reviews, then bought one of the first 4870's Installed the Cats+HF and the 3 games that I was playing, all had problems. Not to mention the fan "fix", excessive noise and heat
So the 4870 wasn't the solution for me, and I went to an NV card. And that makes it ok for you to hurl an "insult" with a wink and a nod. Because i have a product from the evil n in my machine
Of course NV's track record for what you term "evil" is similar to both Intel and MS. You know the "greedy, dishonest, arrogant" part
I see you don't have the courage of your convictions, using the Intel and MS stuff eh
I'll give you a friendly tip, divest yourself of all the "evil" ones and your credibility will soar
I don't see your point,I went from Nvidia to 4870 card and ALL my games run fine(try 22 so far tested in my Vista x64),no drivers issues at all in fact Nvidia drivers gave me more issues on uninstalling even with Driver Sweeper in safe mode I still had 3 Nvidia .dll files trying to load at startup after reboot(Regedit fixed that problem),I guess Nvidia need to work on their uninstalling method in Vista x64..
For the record my 4870 is quiet even in gaming with no fan hack,heat factor is not an issue and is blown out of proportion as always.
For me the NV card is working better. That's my only point. I'm glad that you are having no issues
Like you, I am running Vista x64 but the cats gave me "flickering" textures in AoC where there were none b4, weird shadows in ME, where I had none b4, and my EA sports games also didn't run as well. And with the fan fix 35% or more, the noise was noticeable in my machine. Again, my current card doesn't have that prob.
There is a lot more, but as a I said, use what works for you, I've been speaking to my own experiences.
And if NV works better in this case for me, should I be subjected a snide aside by a keyboard warrior?
My involvement in this thread was not to denigrate the 48xx line but in response to the non-nonsensical NV bashing, both in this thread and throughout this forum. Suddenly AMD/ATI becomes competitive, and that is great as NV was forced to lower it's prices
But should that mandate that these the BS threads be created and rampant 48xx "pimping" continued in quite a few threads ?
Wierd Shadows in ME?..Strange I played the game 3 times right through never had that issue.Fan at 35% is noticable, however you should not have too adjust the fan from auto quiet mode unless you overclock(overclockers should really have a better third party cooler even if it does void warranty).Point is you'll find people happy and unhappy on both sides.
That always happens with AMD/ATI and Nvidia threads,you should know that since you have been here more then long enough,personally I try to keep out of the Nvidia v ATI/AMD arguments unless I feel the facts are wrong or uncalled for .
But should that mandate that these the BS threads be created and rampant 48xx "pimping" continued in quite a few threads ?
I could say the same for some Nvidia threads so you can't have it both ways ,as I said you get it on both sides(You know thats true) in the end its down to the MODs to decide whats called or uncalled for.
Getting back on topic I would like to see something like Havok become the standard, however I feel the standard should be for all so not just Nvidia or AMD/ATi only ,anyway only time will tell so we'll just have to see what happens down the road.
taltamir
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Originally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: ginfest
Originally posted by: solofly
Originally posted by: ginfest
destroy greedy, dishonest, arrogant NV
Fixed...
Can't wait when three of them will step on the evil n...
Suggest you peruse the CPU forums, the same folks now evangelizing Intel are the ones who used your terms to describe them each and every time they put a hurtin' on AMD
And no, to the other poster, I'm not anti-Intel, I use what works best and Intel has generally has had that product
Yes no one is perfect but for the most part others play fair unlike the evil n, creating their own standards (or should I say trying) and not following the whole industry. I bought nvidia since TNT days and every generation thereafter and never understood the meaning of Nvidiot, until now...
I am beginning to think you are SERIOUSLY wanting nvidia to die (as you have state before)...
Even if nvidia IS pure evil as you say (pfft!), then at least it should stay around to help keep the prices low on the "angelic" AMD and Intel (so angelic they rape you with 1000$ CPUs, yes, AMD used to have those!). going from a tri-opoly to a duopoly and then a monopoly is only bad for the consumer, no matter how "bad" the so called companies are.
All the companies are there to turn a buck, not create technology, not to give you handouts, not to advance gamings... but to make money!
Clearly your thoughts are all over the place....but I'll start with this. Both companies are going to push their advantage wherever possible. Games are going to optimize as necessary for either vendor whether to fix bugs or to improve performance, that's just how it is. The AC debacle is a joke, as I just read a report DX11 will be out shortly making DX10 the second most short-lived and irrelevant DX API to-date, after DX10.1 of course. I know how much you love these news blogs and such, so here's a good one that shows your beloved ATI/AMD is doing exactly what you condemn NV for, pushing their own agendas and platforms. If they had a physics API they could call their own, I'm 100% sure they would be pushing that as well......
AMD Backs OpenCL, Microsoft DirectX 11
Huh? The excessively hot GPU is precisely the cause of the solder melting away, its no different than what's happening with NV's mobile GPUs. If you're going to say NV screwed MS you're going to have to use a lot stronger words for what ATI is doing to them. RROD will always overshadow the 360's success.
Huh? NV's mobile GPU problems are from a weak die or packaging material set, not a solder joint. Whether the fault lies with TSMC's process, faulty PCB substrates or Nvidia's design has yet to be determined.
The Microsoft 360 RROD issue from solder joints isn't from excessive heat melting them, it's from excessive heat warping the motherboard. As the motherboard would warp, it would place stress on the GPU-to-motherboard solder joints which would cause some to fail. A motherboard solder joint would have nothing to do with ATI. That would be a Microsoft manufacturing issue as it's the connection between the GPU and the motherboard that is failing, not the GPU itself. Perhaps if Microsoft had designed an adequate cooler in the first place there wouldn't have been any problems.
It would be nice if you would only blame ATI for the things that are actually their fault.
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