Microsoft tries to solve child porn via software.

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Microsoft giving software to curb child porn

Children whose sexual abuse has been circulated in photos online could get some relief from new software that makes it easier to remove child pornography from the Internet.
Microsoft, which developed the PhotoDNA software, is donating it today to the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, a non-profit group that will use it to protect the abused children.
The center reviews 250,000 images of child pornography every week and sends what it considers the most egregious to online service providers to be removed.
The new technology will allow the center's computers to find more images that match an initial picture, even if it has been altered.
"It will make a huge difference," says Ernie Allen, president of the center, which receives funding from the Justice Department to work with police agencies. The center has helped identify 2,692 child pornography victims, most of whom were prepubescent kids abused by someone they knew.
Allen says even though it's impossible to prosecute every sex offender, at least the distribution of their photos can be reduced.
"It's very much like DNA," says Hany Farid, a professor of computer science at Dartmouth College who worked with Microsoft on PhotoDNA. He says it identifies a photo's unique characteristics and, unlike previous software, remains accurate even if the size changes by as much as 50%.
"We can't allow people to keep trading these horrifying images online when we have the technology to do something about it," says Brad Smith, Microsoft's general counsel. "These children have been through enough."


http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/software/2009-12-16-child-porn_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
 

Vette73

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Good on paper but waits for people to have their lifes turned upside down by the FBI when the software gets a false positive on someones system.
 
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I've been bitching about this for years...


What would it take for someone to archive the entire internet? How about make yearly archives?


I wonder what will 'pop up' in the future in regards to old pics, etc using this sort of software...
 

rudder

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Good on paper but waits for people to have their lifes turned upside down by the FBI when the software gets a false positive on someones system.

Yeh I would rather see the marijuana task force moved over to fight child pornography. They could put up some honey pots... sit back... and then send in Chris Hansen and bust the bastards in person.
 

Fritzo

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Good on paper but waits for people to have their lifes turned upside down by the FBI when the software gets a false positive on someones system.


Look grandma! Here's a picture of my new born's first bath! He's so cute and...

**SLAM!!!!*** ON THE FLOOR DIRTBAGS!!!! WE'VE DETECTED YOUR SCUMMY CHILD PORN!!!!!
 

uhohs

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Good on paper but waits for people to have their lifes turned upside down by the FBI when the software gets a false positive on someones system.

Uhoh. I think my computer is a susceptible to false positives. D:
 

Kadarin

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Look grandma! Here's a picture of my new born's first bath! He's so cute and...

**SLAM!!!!*** ON THE FLOOR DIRTBAGS!!!! WE'VE DETECTED YOUR SCUMMY CHILD PORN!!!!!

^^ This. Don't think it won't or hasn't already happened.
 

OCGuy

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I wonder what sicko "reviews" 250,000 CP images. I would think that even a normal person could be altered by that job.
 

SirStev0

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I realize that everyone is a paranoid nerd on here, but I actually think this is a step in the right direction. It is a program that specifically searches for files and pictures being hosted online and asks for their removal.

It isn't searching people's computers or looking at who downloaded them, it is taking out the people who host the images for distribution. This method will hopefully go to cleaning the disgusting garbage off and not to nailing and screwing people who accidently click on a bad link or download an intentionally mislabeled file.
 

frostedflakes

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^ this. Also, sounds like this is just a "reverse" image search program (see tinyeye.com for a similar service that's available online). So they'll take an image of abuse that they already have, and this software will find other sites that are hosting this picture (even if it's slightly modified, shrunken down to a smaller size, for example) so they can get it removed.
 

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I wonder what sicko "reviews" 250,000 CP images. I would think that even a normal person could be altered by that job.

I was a bit taken aback by that number too. A human being has to look at the images to make a judgement. On top of that, how the hell do they avoid hiring a pedophile for that job? Do they sit in a conference room to avoid giving one person individual access to the images?

As you suggested, how do they avoid somebody being psychologically changed by looking at such images all day long.

Or better yet, what happens when an employee takes their work home with them?
 

waggy

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Wal Mart in Arizona is being sued over this thanks to the photo technician developing the pictures of two young kids who were photoed taking a bath together by their parents and the cops taking their kids from them:

Take your pick of where to look.

yeah.


and its also good to get all the information about the case.

from http://www.yourwestvalley.com/articles/national-8957-demaree-wronged.html "Of the 144 photographs, police said eight of them could be seen as "child erotica" and five of those could be considered "child pornography." Among them were images of the Demaree’s three daughters, 5, 4, and 1½ at the time, naked on the floor of the couple’s bedroom after a bath. Police who conducted the investigation wrote that the children appeared to be posed, as there seemed to be "no other reason for them to be in that positio"


and from http://www.abc15.com/content/news/westvalley/peoria/story/Valley-couple-sues-Wal-Mart-after-kids-are-taken/pbLlMgUyukGjWhUsTuCyHg.cspx
"According to a police report released by the Peoria Police Department, officers viewing the pictures felt that eight of the pictures could be considered child erotica or five could be considered child pornography.

Police detailed each one, "The girls...have their buttocks stuck up in the air and their legs are spread apart showing their anuses and vaginas."

In another photo, an officer wrote, "The next photo is of the girls in the bathtub, the middle daughter appears to by lying on her back ...her younger sister is on top of her also on her back...the youngest girls vagina is exposed to the camera.""


these are not your normal pictures of kids in teh bathtub..


edit: there was also one officer that said one picture had the oldest doughter (think 5 at the time) was on her knees and elbows naked with the picture being taken from behind..if you are not sure what you are going to see from that have your girlfriend/boyfriend whatever get in that position..
 
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shortylickens

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I am happy to destroy child porn. But knowing what I do about the government and big business, my primary concern is bullshit Big Brother type stuff leading to an Orwellian future.
I dont know that this is going to work well.
 

waggy

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I am happy to destroy child porn. But knowing what I do about the government and big business, my primary concern is bullshit Big Brother type stuff leading to an Orwellian future.
I dont know that this is going to work well.

it won't. this is just a excuse to have some control over something else in peoples private life.

all they have to do is use the "think of the children" chant and they can do what they want.

while busting up child porn is good this is not the way to go about it.
 

coloumb

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I realize that everyone is a paranoid nerd on here, but I actually think this is a step in the right direction. It is a program that specifically searches for files and pictures being hosted online and asks for their removal.

It isn't searching people's computers or looking at who downloaded them, it is taking out the people who host the images for distribution. This method will hopefully go to cleaning the disgusting garbage off and not to nailing and screwing people who accidently click on a bad link or download an intentionally mislabeled file.

Yup - they're not worried about the viewers - they're more worried about shutting down the source.

As for the sicko comment regarding who looks at the photo's - someone/some group has to do it - they are probably screened/interviewed/etc to make sure it's not something they would remotely enjoy looking at...
 

ElFenix

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I wonder what sicko "reviews" 250,000 CP images. I would think that even a normal person could be altered by that job.

per week!

that's over 2 per second every second of the day!
 

hanoverphist

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As for the sicko comment regarding who looks at the photo's - someone/some group has to do it - they are probably screened/interviewed/etc to make sure it's not something they would remotely enjoy looking at...

im pretty sure the biggest concern posed here was whether extended time looking at that all day would change their outlook on it, or change their pleasure levels about it. desensitization is real, id not want to be the one doing that job.
 

frostedflakes

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Desensitization wouldn't necessarily turn someone on to the material, though. It just means they'd be looking at pics and wouldn't feel anything, whereas most people would probably have a pretty visceral reaction if they were exposed to something like that.