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Microsoft to sell WinXP till 2020?! WTFBBQ?!

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right on. ive played with the image deployment stuff before and it works well but thats about it. they use an older version of ghost as well but i dont remember the version right now.

this place is so far behind...novell netware 6.5 on the back end, i think a majority of the windows servers are 2k8 the netware is old as hell. they use zenworks desktop management 10 for deployment, dameware for remote control access, theres still a mainframe there being used for...i dont know what, i dont know any of the team members that deal with it.

the desktop cycle seems to be on a 7 or 8 year rotation between upgrades. the network infrastructure in some parts is iffy. its not at all what i expected going in :-/

I don't understand the use of Dameware for remote access support when WinXP has it built in and it's probably more secure. What I have found are IT admins that either hate Microsoft (if they love Novell, they probably hate Microsoft) and that get hung up on products like Dameware.

Remote desktop and remote support are built into WinXP and up and are free to use. Setting up the permissions is easier than fielding a Dameware client and managing the process separately too.
 
I built a new PC for myself as my main rig a few months ago and went with Windows 7...personally, I see no reason for choosing this OS. Sure it is easy to load and it is very good at configuring itself to work with most hardware on the first boot but I can't even run some of my Microsoft games on it and it isn't any more stable than XP IMO. I had to research workarounds on a couple apps I use on a fairly regular basis...like Photoshop CS3 for one. Yeah, upgrade to Windows 7 64bit and while you're at it you should really pop for PS CS5 at $700 a pop too...🙄

If I had it to do over I probably would have gone with Windows XP which I'm still running on two other PCs in my house and one laptop.
 
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I propose that anyone still running Windows XP in 2020 be drawn out in the street and shot.

"Drawn out into the street."

"Drawn and quartered."

"Drawn, and the comic book serial rights sold."

But NOT, as you wrote, "drawn out in the street and shot."

Proper English is arguably more basic and necessary across a wider variety of life's pursuits than which operating system you chose. Perhaps you should be shot. :awe:

😉
 
I built a new PC for myself as my main rig a few months ago and went with Windows 7...personally, I see no reason for choosing this OS. Sure it is easy to load and it is very good at configuring itself to work with most hardware on the first boot but I can't even run some of my Microsoft games on it and it isn't any more stable than XP IMO. If I had it to do over I probably would have gone with Windows XP which I'm still running on two other PCs in my house and one laptop.

The thing is, all these Vista-esque OS fanboys have convinced themselves that constant annoy security popups, frequent permission hassles, no native DOS support and loss of windows recorder, etc, is somehow a bonus to be enjoyed by all! It isnt. Its a damn shame and thats about it.
 
The thing is, all these Vista-esque OS fanboys have convinced themselves that constant annoy security popups, frequent permission hassles, no native DOS support and loss of windows recorder, etc, is somehow a bonus to be enjoyed by all! It isnt. Its a damn shame and thats about it.

Those drive me fucking crazy...as does the DOS support issue.

See my edit about Photoshop CS3 as well. I loaded it on my Windows 7 machine and lost all internet access. That was a pain in the ass to research and resolve and now I have to remember this issue everytime I have to deal with reinstalling the OS.
 
The thing is, all these Vista-esque OS fanboys have convinced themselves that constant annoy security popups, frequent permission hassles, no native DOS support and loss of windows recorder, etc, is somehow a bonus to be enjoyed by all! It isnt. Its a damn shame and thats about it.


Where does this native DOS support come from? There hasn't been any since ME. As far as hassles go, there are none. What is a hassle is dealing with antique technology.

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I guess I wasn't entirely correct...

Today, MS-DOS is rarely used for desktop computing. Since the release of Windows 95, it was integrated as a full product used for bootstrapping and troubleshooting, and no longer released as a standalone product.
Windows XP contains a copy of the core MS-DOS 8 files from Windows Me, accessible only by formatting a floppy as an "MS-DOS startup disk". These core files are a stripped down bootstrap only, which does not include CD-ROM support. With Windows Vista the files on the startup disk are dated 18 April 2005 but are otherwise unchanged, including the string "MS-DOS Version 8 (C) Copyright 1981-1999 Microsoft Corp" inside COMMAND.COM.
However the only versions of DOS currently recognized as stand-alone OSs, and supported as such by the Microsoft Corporation are DOS 6.0 and 6.22, both of which remain available for download via their MSDN, volume license, and OEM license partner websites, for customers with valid login credentials.
Today, DOS is still used in embedded x86 systems due to its simple architecture, and minimal memory and processor requirements. The command line interpreter of NT-based versions of Windows, cmd.exe, maintains most of the same commands and some compatibility with DOS batch files.
Microsoft has introduced a new command-line called PowerShell. Powershell offers more functionality than MS-DOS.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS

Yup, that's just full of win. Booting up floppies is so much more convenient than using a VM. That's assuming anyone has a real need for DOS....
 
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for the love of god, kill xp with fire already. i am sick and fucking tired of using windows xp on my work laptop
 
Yup, that's just full of win. Booting up floppies is so much more convenient than using a VM. That's assuming anyone has a real need for DOS....

Thats not really the point I was trying to make at all. If your game doesnt run in a window, it will not run in Vista, etc. On XP it will run. Full screen DOS mode is no longer supported, PERIOD! (no boot disks required)
 
Thats not really the point I was trying to make at all. If your game doesnt run in a window, it will not run in Vista, etc. On XP it will run. Full screen DOS mode is no longer supported, PERIOD! (no boot disks required)

Felix, haven't you ever heard of DosBox, you world-class troll you?

And security pop ups are a HELL of a lot better than a compromised website simply installing malware in the background without you even knowing. You don't even need to be surfing in the questionable sections of the web for it to happen anymore, and with XP, it simply happens, while Vista/7 will at least warn you it's happening.
 
XP plays Starcraft without color distortion. Beyond that and a few apps that don't run on 7, I'm good.

I triple boot with 30 GB XP and Arch Linux partitions. The rest is Windows 7 64 Pro.
 
Our upgrade cycle is piece meal. At the rate we are replacing desktop and laptops. We might actually be rid of XP by 2020 😀
 
My company runs primarily on XP, but I bought a Microsoft TechNet subscription so I could begin testing our applications and adminstrative software on Windows 7. Everything I have tested to date works well, so I will likely be moving to Win7 later this year.
 
The XP train has left for everyone except casual users (email, internet). People who use newer programs, as well as enthusiasts, have moved on to Win7.

Windows 7 64 bit + SSD an amazing combo. 🙂

We were using xp up until maybe 4/5 months ago and got upgraded to vista D:. (.gov). It'll probably be years until we even get W7 lol.
 
We were using xp up until maybe 4/5 months ago and got upgraded to vista D:. (.gov). It'll probably be years until we even get W7 lol.

I believe the AF is waiting for the next one after 7 since they just spent a ton of time and energy to get everything up to vista the past year or so.

I'm currently still using XP at work because of people that are to scared too upgrade and too cheap to do so as well. I have Win 7 at home and love it.

I used Vista and had no problems with it past service pack 1. The biggest problems people had with Vista was that the interface was different so they had to learn a few new things (some people like Felix can't stand change I guess), the lack of some driver support for many devices (especially the 64 bit support), and Vista originally had too many services dependent upon each other and the hardware. It was also more hardware intensive and because of the service dependencies, you couldn't just simply shut down stuff you didn't want running if you had a slow computer.

That was all fixed. So the only remaining issues for not using Vista/Win 7 is people that are too scared to change, people that are too cheap to change, and the random 30 year old device that has no driver support for the newer OS.
 
Thats not really the point I was trying to make at all. If your game doesnt run in a window, it will not run in Vista, etc. On XP it will run. Full screen DOS mode is no longer supported, PERIOD! (no boot disks required)

The DOSBox is not strong with this one.
 
I just got an email this morning at work that they will finally be updating our machines....to WinXP SP3!!!

I figure at the rate it's taken them to update to SP3 the chances of ever getting a new OS is nil.
 
My work PC is 7, I like how its faster after startup...but its also the fastest PC I use so I guess that might just be hardware. I like some new things about UI but hate others.

I noticed yesterday that when you kill a task/program, it doesn't necessarily actually do it...which was not the case with XP. I googled for the problem and it turns out a lot of people have it, MS crew were trying to say it was because of bad device drivers...and maybe it is, but that doesn't change the fact that I have to turn the PC off to clear a problem that end task could do in XP. Complaining to the driver makers to solve each one of these problem is probably as likely to work as sacrificing a goat. 9x days are here again, rebooting every time something fucks up.

Overall, 7 is alright though...but really, for the stuff I do it doesn't actually offer me anything I need that XP didn't have.
 
Thats not really the point I was trying to make at all. If your game doesnt run in a window, it will not run in Vista, etc. On XP it will run. Full screen DOS mode is no longer supported, PERIOD! (no boot disks required)

Oh no! Windows 7 won't run my sweet tic-tac-toe punch card game from 1960!
 
Felix, haven't you ever heard of DosBox, you world-class troll you?

And security pop ups are a HELL of a lot better than a compromised website simply installing malware in the background without you even knowing. You don't even need to be surfing in the questionable sections of the web for it to happen anymore, and with XP, it simply happens, while Vista/7 will at least warn you it's happening.

Great idea slow down my computer with some worthless emulator! Nice. 🙄
 
Am I the only person to realize that if a piece of software is no longer offered for sale, then it's permissible to copy it IF it's necessary for the functionality of some piece of hardware? (If I'm recalling copyright law correctly.)

If Microsoft stopped selling XP, all a company would need to do is put a couple scanners/printers/whatever on their network that aren't supported by versions later than XP. Free OS for all of the company's computers.


It's about the Benjamins. Duh.
Hmmm, after a cursory glance, it appears that I'm incorrect about this application of copyright law... looking further.
 
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Great idea slow down my computer with some worthless emulator! Nice. 🙄

Is this you?
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I'm pretty sure we'll be on XP Service Pack 2 forever

- My primary computer has received no software updates since August 2008. Not a security patch, not a virus definition update, nadda. Oh yeah, and it's a P4 2.4GHZ 1GB of RAM. We recently requested to upgrade from 512MB to 2GB, but we were told 1GB is the maximum allowed RAM in any company computer. Seriously.
- We only upgraded to Office 2003 in the last few years
- We share our 256kbps connection amongst 10ish computers (at our location)
- 40MB email inbox

My laptop is a Compaq laptop tearing it up with a Pentium M 1.6ghz and 512mb of RAM. It's so fast I could probably kill myself.

But those are our modern PC's! The PC I do most of my work at:

P2 266mhz running a custom OS
300 baud modem

yay!!!

I'm pretty sure Microsoft supporting XP until 2020 was the best news my IT department has ever received.

And yes, I post this gripe every company IT thread I can find.
 
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hmmm....maybe that explains why??? I was at a nice law firm with a penthouse suite in downtown San Diego, and they're still using Pentium Is and IIs. Their PCs take 5-10 minutes just to boot up.
No, the law firm is just cheap.

Are you kidding? That's not the reason at all! 🙄

WP 5.1 on DOS does everything they need and want and their voluminous files are all in that format. Law firms are never hesitant to spend money when and where its necessary, it's what they do.

But legal documents MUST be and stay precise down to the comma and period. No file conversion ever made can guarantee that.

So they stay with what works.
 
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