Microsoft to Modify Windows XP Product-Activation Policy

imported_Beavis

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I found this on another messageboards, it appears that M$Ft is going to change the Activation Policay.

It saids for OEM Windows, does this Policy applies to Retail Verison of XP as well?

Wednesday, February 23, 2005
Microsoft to Modify Windows XP Product-Activation Policy
By Mary Jo Foley
UPDATED: As part of its anti-piracy campaign, Microsoft will be tweaking its new-user registration procedures as of next week.

Microsoft is continuing its crack-down on Windows pirates, and is modifying its product-activation policies to do so.

Product activation, which Microsoft first introduced with Windows XP in 2001, is Microsoft's way of requiring new Windows users to authenticate their copies of Windows. Microsoft has required users not covered by volume-license agreements to authenticate their XP copies via the Internet or phone using their unique product keys.ADVERTISEMENT

As of next week, however, Microsoft plans to curtail the number of users relying on the Web to activate their copies of XP.

As of February 28, Microsoft will disable Internet activation for all Windows XP product keys located on Certificates of Authenticity (COA) labels that are distributed by the 20 top worldwide PC vendors. Microsoft will be relying on these PC makers to do the activation for users.

Microsoft sent a distribution alert to let its field sales force know of this change a couple of weeks ago. Tech blogger Aviran Mordo posted a copy of the alert to his Web site on Tuesday.

On Wednesday, Microsoft officials acknowledged the authenticity of the alert.

Via the new XP product activation policy, Microsoft is hoping to eliminate piracy that occurs when product keys are stolen from COAs that traditionally have been placed on PCs by OEMs.

"Now, if you type a key into (the authentication mechanism) on the Web, it will activate and not tell you anything is wrong," even if the key is stolen, said Alex Kochis, senior license compliance manager with Microsoft's Small and Midmarket Solutions and Partner group, and author of the distribution alert.

"This is our opportunity to tell customers that product keys may not have been obtained properly," Kochis said.

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According to the Microsoft alert, Microsoft will disable the ability to activate direct OEM product keys over the Internet. If a customer attempts to activate using a pirated key, the product activation wizard will instruct them to call Microsoft customer service. Microsoft call center operators will be authorized to issue override keys only to customers who answer questions that prove they have legitimate copies.

Kochis said that Microsoft is looking at expanding the new policy to smaller PC makers and system builders.

"We are working toward an expansion that will cover all pre-activated PCs. This expansion will begin next quarter," said Kochis.

Microsoft has sued a growing number of resellers for distributing pirated software. But some resellers have claimed that it is difficult to determine whether Windows COAs are counterfeit.

"When resellers purchase from Microsoft-authorized distributors, they can mitigate their risk," said Kochis. "Resellers who buy standalone COAs have always been at risk, and now it (purchasing COAs this way) is a criminal offense in the U.S."

Note: This story was updated to include additional comments from Microsoft.

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1769339,00.asp
 

bsobel

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It saids for OEM Windows, does this Policy applies to Retail Verison of XP as well?

:roll: Did you read what you posted? "As of February 28, Microsoft will disable Internet activation for all Windows XP product keys located on Certificates of Authenticity (COA) labels that are distributed by the 20 top worldwide PC vendors. Microsoft will be relying on these PC makers to do the activation for users. "

So no, retail versions are not affected.


 

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I understand MS's decision but in their pursuit of anti-piracy, they are really starting to make it more trouble than it is worth.
Microsoft will be relying on these PC makers to do the activation for users.
Pushing this burden to manufacturers seems like it would be a huge undertaking for the manufacturers. Also, what about oem versions purchased from Newegg, etc.?
 

stash

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Pushing this burden to manufacturers seems like it would be a huge undertaking for the manufacturers

Most manufacturers already do this. Certainly the 20 OEMs that this affects do. When you purchase a computer from an OEM is built using system locked preinstallation (SLP). This means that the end user does NOT have to activate the system. It has already been done by the OEM.

Also, what about oem versions purchased from Newegg, etc.?

They are not affected by this. The only OEM COAs affected by this are the ones for the 20 largest OEMs. If Newegg sells you an OEM copy of XP with one of the 20 COAs, it was almost certainly pirated.

Likewise, if you purchase a computer from someone who built it with one of the 20 COAs but did NOT use SLP, the COA was most likely pirated.

So to summarize, this has absolutely no effect on retail versions of XP, no effect on OEM machines from the top 20 OEMs built with SLP and no effect on other legitimate OEM copies of XP. This change will affect a very small amount of end users.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: bsobel
It saids for OEM Windows, does this Policy applies to Retail Verison of XP as well?
:roll: Did you read what you posted? "As of February 28, Microsoft will disable Internet activation for all Windows XP product keys located on Certificates of Authenticity (COA) labels that are distributed by the 20 top worldwide PC vendors. Microsoft will be relying on these PC makers to do the activation for users. "
So no, retail versions are not affected.
I'm not so sure why this is an issue, large OEM customers ship pre-activated systems, their customers don't need to activate. Or is this referring to re-activation, of keys assigned to OEM copies? I guess the conceptual problem here is OEM systems shipped pre-activated, and then the associated keys somehow fall into the wrong hands, and resold onto the grey-market (but shouldn't the COAs be shipped with the systems???), and thus fostering potential copyright violations due to OEM-level leaks of activation keys.

Thus MS sought to plug the hole by denying online activation of OEM keys period, requiring human intervention.

I'm just waiting for the day that MS implemented X-Box Live-like security/account-authorization policies for run-of-the-mill Windows' boxen, and then consumers start to really whig out. The tighter the "iron fist of MS" squeezes, the more customers just start slipping out of their fingers, and the less customers that hand can hold..

Unfortunately, this change may also cause problems for legitimate users/purchasers of computers with Windows' pre-installed, and thus cause those customers to move away from the Windows' platform for their next computer purchase. (Hey, I'm sure Apple's probably happy about all of these increasingly draconian changes. It makes Apple look like a much more "open" platform than Windows' - which, once MS gets their way and impliments all of their planned changes to utterly control the platform - will likely actually be true.)
 

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Or is this referring to re-activation, of keys assigned to OEM copies?

This also is a non-issue, since these OEMs should ship with a SLP'ed restore disk.

Thus MS sought to plug the hole by denying online activation of OEM keys period, requiring human intervention

This is not what was done. They have denied online activation of the OEM keys from the 20 biggest OEMS.
 

Raduque

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Using a $ in MS or Microsoft is a pet peeve of mine... reminds me of that PA comic with the ST geek. I can't find it right now, though =|

OT: I like this idea, it's kinda of like when they disabled the FCKGW key in SP1. GG Microsoft curtailing OEMs leaked keys.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: STaSh
Or is this referring to re-activation, of keys assigned to OEM copies?
This also is a non-issue, since these OEMs should ship with a SLP'ed restore disk.
Ok, that doesn't make any sense, since each of the SLP'ed machine should have a unique activation signature/key/whatever, right? And yet, "restore CDs" are mass-produced, right? So that wouldn't seem to be easily possible.

Thus MS sought to plug the hole by denying online activation of OEM keys period, requiring human intervention
This is not what was done. They have denied online activation of the OEM keys from the 20 biggest OEMS.[/quote]
I'm sorry, not OEM keys period, but OEM keys from the 20 biggest OEMs then... so... what other OEMs selling pre-built systems with pre-installed/activated Windows' are there?
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Raduque
I like this idea, it's kinda of like when they disabled the FCKGW key in SP1. GG Microsoft curtailing OEMs leaked keys.
That was a VLK activation key, not an OEM key, btw. Big difference. Well, sort of.
 

Raduque

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: Raduque
I like this idea, it's kinda of like when they disabled the FCKGW key in SP1. GG Microsoft curtailing OEMs leaked keys.
That was a VLK activation key, not an OEM key, btw. Big difference. Well, sort of.

That is true, but I am pretty sure it was a Dell key, was it not?

You raise an interesting point about the SLP'd CDs. If they are mass produced, how does each seperate computer have a different PID? Or is the PID key-based? I have observed that different keys generate different PIDs with the same CD, but parts of the PID are always the same per CD....

re: 20 biggest OEMS probably means the most commonly known OEMS... the ones sold in BB, CC, Walmart, OfficeMax, (Dell, Compaq/HP, Gateway, etc) and so on. I'm sure you could find hundreds of OEMs that preactive Windows online if you look.

 

Raduque

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
I don't see how this really helps MS much at all. Activation has been cracked for some time.

I would think it would help prevent piracy from OEMs who buy one copy and pre-activate it on, say, 300 identical machines and then sell them....
 

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
I'm not so sure why this is an issue, large OEM customers ship pre-activated systems, their customers don't need to activate. Or is this referring to re-activation, of keys assigned to OEM copies? I guess the conceptual problem here is OEM systems shipped pre-activated, and then the associated keys somehow fall into the wrong hands, and resold onto the grey-market (but shouldn't the COAs be shipped with the systems???), and thus fostering potential copyright violations due to OEM-level leaks of activation keys.

The product keys on the sides of Dell / HP / IBM / etc. machines are never activated before they ship to the end user, and the end user does not have to activate the key when they get the machine. So those keys can be used with any OEM version of XP to install onto a new system & activate through the internet.

Don't know if it is still true - anyways, if you viewed the XP key in the copy of Windows preloaded on the machine, the product key DOES NOT MATCH the key on the side of the machine.


And a side note, I know that one of the big internet system builders (i.e. outside of the Dells & HPs & IBMs etc.) ship their systems with copies of WinXP that do not require activation. Not sure how they got away with that...
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
The product keys on the sides of Dell / HP / IBM / etc. machines are never activated before they ship to the end user, and the end user does not have to activate the key when they get the machine. So those keys can be used with any OEM version of XP to install onto a new system & activate through the internet.
Wait a sec, that doesn't jive with what I've heard - that copies of XP pre-installed on major OEMs are "pre-activated" before being shipped. Are you saying, that those copies of XP, are never "activated" at all? Does that mean that you can freely change the hardware installed on the system, without ever seeing a re-activation requirement warning/countdown? I was aware that corp. VLK systems were that way (able to freely change hardware without being required to re-activate), but not mass-market OEMs.

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Don't know if it is still true - anyways, if you viewed the XP key in the copy of Windows preloaded on the machine, the product key DOES NOT MATCH the key on the side of the machine.
Well of course not. Are we talking about activation keys here, or product-id keys? The two are different, the product-id key is generated from the activation key or CD-key, and includes portions of it, and a hash of the installation timestamp, and a checksum, among other things. At least if you're talking about right-clicking "My Computer", and select "Properties", and then look at the "Product id:" listed - that is not, and has never been, the same as the CD-key or activation key.

Originally posted by: cubby1223
And a side note, I know that one of the big internet system builders (i.e. outside of the Dells & HPs & IBMs etc.) ship their systems with copies of WinXP that do not require activation. Not sure how they got away with that...
Again, are you talking pre-activated (but still "locked", with respect to the installed hardware), or not requiring activation at all?
 

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if you re install xp on a dellwith a dell CD it never goes thru activation, never checked the numbers but i will now.
 

Raduque

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry


Originally posted by: cubby1223
Don't know if it is still true - anyways, if you viewed the XP key in the copy of Windows preloaded on the machine, the product key DOES NOT MATCH the key on the side of the machine.
Well of course not. Are we talking about activation keys here, or product-id keys? The two are different, the product-id key is generated from the activation key or CD-key, and includes portions of it, and a hash of the installation timestamp, and a checksum, among other things. At least if you're talking about right-clicking "My Computer", and select "Properties", and then look at the "Product id:" listed - that is not, and has never been, the same as the CD-key or activation key.

I don't know how much of this applies to desktops, but when I got my HP laptop, it did not ask me to activate. It only asked me for my name, account password, etc. And the product key on the sticker on the bottom of my laptop does not match the key that windows was installed(activated?) with. XP Home, btw.
 

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Originally posted by: ITJunkie
I understand MS's decision but in their pursuit of anti-piracy, they are really starting to make it more trouble than it is worth.
Microsoft will be relying on these PC makers to do the activation for users.
Pushing this burden to manufacturers seems like it would be a huge undertaking for the manufacturers. Also, what about oem versions purchased from Newegg, etc.?

wow, what a little moron.....
I guess you're saying microsoft shouldn't do it because they will lose all those users who activate multiple times and don't pay for it. A big lose for microsoft of 1000000 users times 0 dollars.

Also, I guess you're one of the very few who don't know that OEMs already pre-activate the pre-installed copies of WinXP. If you read the story again you'll understand that what they're saying is that they will disallow online re-activations, unless you call and go thru a detailed verification process on the phone.

[pwned]
 

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If you read the story again you'll understand that what they're saying is that they will disallow online re-activations, unless you call and go thru a detailed verification process on the phone

That isn't the new policy at all. If you purchase a system that was built with a legit key, or you build your own system with a legit key, you will not have to call to activate or reactivate. Online reactivations are disabled only for the keys of the 20 biggest OEMs. No end users should have these keys.
 

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when you buy a PC from dell, ibm, etc it comes with win-xp pre-activated, and the key is publicly displayed on the COA on the outside of your computer case. Until now, you could use that key to activate again (possibly on other computers, which is a violation of the license) using online activation. Now they will not allow you to use this key to activate again without going thru verbal verification process. This is meant to deter people from activating multiple copies with the same key. But you are always allowed to re-activate on the same machine, for example in case you need to re-install win-xp because of hardisk failure etc, but now you'll need to call in to do so. Btw, for people re-installing win-xp on the same machine, there is a way avoid having to re-activate, by using the old activation files (they should work on the same machine).
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: STaSh
If you read the story again you'll understand that what they're saying is that they will disallow online re-activations, unless you call and go thru a detailed verification process on the phone
That isn't the new policy at all. If you purchase a system that was built with a legit key, or you build your own system with a legit key, you will not have to call to activate or reactivate. Online reactivations are disabled only for the keys of the 20 biggest OEMs. No end users should have these keys.
I thought that end-users of those major OEMs would have those keys, to re-activate if they so need to, because they of course don't have access to whatever corporate-OEM-level mass pre-activation key was used. Why else would the end-users of those OEM systems be given the COA with those activation keys on them?

I thought the issue was that a large chunk (I assume?) of those COAs were stolen or somehow mis-directed, and this is a mitigating step to prevent those COAs from being re-sold and used to facilitate copyright infringement?

And if the end-users of those system can still phone-activate, using those bundled COAs/activation-keys, then that does clearly imply that they have and are supposed to have those keys, but MS put a human in the loop to attempt to ferret out the "stolen" ones, perhaps in order to better help them track down the "leak"?
 

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. But you are always allowed to re-activate on the same machine, for example in case you need to re-install win-xp because of hardisk failure etc, but now you'll need to call in to do so

If you use the reinstall disk that comes with the machine, you won't need to call in at all.