Microsoft to buy Vivendi

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Vic

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Vivendi is more than just Sierra and Blizzard. Much more. It also includes Universal and MCA studios, and Seagrams.
 

XZeroII

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why does everyone think the worst? Microsoft owns the Mech games and they are both on PC and XBox. You people just seem to hate microsoft for no reason and think up worst case scenarios.
 

nord1899

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
why does everyone think the worst? Microsoft owns the Mech games and they are both on PC and XBox. You people just seem to hate microsoft for no reason and think up worst case scenarios.

Because when the worst case doesn't happen, I'll be pleasently surprised.

Instead of thinking everything will be good, and then the worst case occurs, I'll be shocked and upset.
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: nord1899
Originally posted by: XZeroII
why does everyone think the worst? Microsoft owns the Mech games and they are both on PC and XBox. You people just seem to hate microsoft for no reason and think up worst case scenarios.

Because when the worst case doesn't happen, I'll be pleasently surprised.

Instead of thinking everything will be good, and then the worst case occurs, I'll be shocked and upset.
Make him do his own work and have him look up the word pessimist instead. ;)

<-- hopeless optimist
 

Storm

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
why does everyone think the worst? Microsoft owns the Mech games and they are both on PC and XBox. You people just seem to hate microsoft for no reason and think up worst case scenarios.

I dont necessarily hate MS, Im just worried by their business practices that they will buy everything up and have product monopolies. For example in the case of Bungie, when MS bought them out, why not work on both the Xbox and the PC ports at the same time. Im sure MS has enough money to add more talented people to the Bungie group since they can most definitely afford a loss on their consoles. Instead though the PC port was basically shut down and the Xbox console version was concentrated on. Now the pc port has been given to a different developer to finish it up after 2-3 years later it was supposed to be released.

IF MS buys out Vivendi, whats to stop them from making all the future games all Xbox exclusives? If its not spread out among other consoles and the PC where the competition? If theres no compeition, there is only one choice ie MS. Competition breeds news ideas and creativity and lower prices for the average customer. In the OS world theres the open source Linux. If the buyout happens, I'll be surprised that MS doesnt make every game thats currently in development primarily Xbox.
 

DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
why does everyone think the worst? Microsoft owns the Mech games and they are both on PC and XBox. You people just seem to hate microsoft for no reason and think up worst case scenarios.
As I said above, MS made Bungie kill Halo for PC and Mac for a couple of years to keep it from hurting Xbox sales. And the quote a bit later is some evidence for MS killing off GBA games.

I doubt they'll really put Red Hats on the terrorists, or even little penguin logos, but it shouldn't surprise anyone that MS might force their new companies to advance MS interests like Xbox, even over maximizing profits for that one company by offering other platforms.
 

rh71

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MS didn't set out there to be nice or fair. They're in it for business and profit. You'd do the same as far as the rules can be stretched.
 
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Originally posted by: Lonyo
If they get CS, then what might happen to any mod makers/map makers? Would Microsoft still allow source code/map editor to be shipped? Probably not knowing how much they suck a$$.
Stupid question, perhaps, but what does Counter-Strike have anything to do with Vivendi/Sierra?
 

datalink7

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Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: Lonyo
If they get CS, then what might happen to any mod makers/map makers? Would Microsoft still allow source code/map editor to be shipped? Probably not knowing how much they suck a$$.
Stupid question, perhaps, but what does Counter-Strike have anything to do with Vivendi/Sierra?

Sierra owns Valve
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: Lonyo
If they get CS, then what might happen to any mod makers/map makers? Would Microsoft still allow source code/map editor to be shipped? Probably not knowing how much they suck a$$.
Stupid question, perhaps, but what does Counter-Strike have anything to do with Vivendi/Sierra?
Sierra owns Valve
Negative. Sierra has exclusive publishing rights to Valve software but does not actually own Valve itself. It's similar to how Activision is the publisher for Id's software. Valve, like Id, is a rarity in that it is actually independent.
Vivendi does owns Sierra and Blizzard.
 

skace

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Obviously if they are going after a game sector it is for 1 reason. That is why people are thinking the worse. If they aquired Blizzard, they would butcher their PC line up no doubt. But, would this be bad? Unlikely, it would open up a market full of angry PC gamers and someone would come meet the demand. It is still ugly for ms to go after Blizzard, a company whose games are always PC gaming pleasure.

If MS butchers the pc gaming market too much, everyone will lose the run reason they don't run Linux yet: Easy access to the games. So Linux + an Xbox don't sound too bad either :).
 
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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: datalink7
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: Lonyo
If they get CS, then what might happen to any mod makers/map makers? Would Microsoft still allow source code/map editor to be shipped? Probably not knowing how much they suck a$$.
Stupid question, perhaps, but what does Counter-Strike have anything to do with Vivendi/Sierra?
Sierra owns Valve
Negative. Sierra has exclusive publishing rights to Valve software but does not actually own Valve itself. It's similar to how Activision is the publisher for Id's software. Valve, like Id, is a rarity in that it is actually independent.
Vivendi does owns Sierra and Blizzard.
Thanks, sir. You saved me some typing. :)

In a nutshell: Valve funds their own development. They are completely independent, and the happenings at Vivendi have no bearing on Valve's platform focus.
 

Dark4ng3l

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Bah even if they shift everything to xbox, the market for consoles will not magically increase by a significant margin. All thet will happen is that EA will get an even bigger share of the pc game market and M$ will end up with alot of companies who have had their profits destroyed by being forced to change their focus.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Vic
Vivendi is more than just Sierra and Blizzard. Much more. It also includes Universal and MCA studios, and Seagrams.

it was posted that it was just the game division
 

wfbberzerker

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great, not only do pc game makers get screwed on one end from competition from consoles, but now theyre getting screwed on the other end.
 

LH

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VU doesnt own Valve. And Im sure Valve would have an out if MS bought VU Games.

EA just lost a developer, 2015, the creators of Medal of Honor, to VU. With Men of Valor: Vietnam.

There is no reason for MS to block PC games from coming to market, they did it with Halo because thats ALL they had. Thats not the case anymore, and money is money, they wont cut off the nose to spite the face, because thats bad buisness and MS is about $$$, the $1-2Billion PC games industry has very little if any effect on the console industry, any analyst will tell you that, Halo was the only thing MS really had as a premire title for the Xbox, they couldnt let that go. Considering MS already has a STRONG PC divison, I will just say this, most of you are wrong, they wont block PC game development. Was Age of Mythology stopped? Nope. Was AC2 stopped? Nope. I dont have any worries. Im just glad its not EA thats buying them.
 

Darein

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Originally posted by: LH
VU doesnt own Valve. And Im sure Valve would have an out if MS bought VU Games.

No biggie for me as I am right now addicted to Battlefield 1942, an Electronic Arts product.

While Battlefeild 1942 is owned by EA. The developers of the game just signed a publishing contract for their new game(s) with VU.

There is no reason for MS to block PC games from coming to market, they did it with Halo because thats ALL they had. Thats not the case anymore, and money is money, they wont cut off the nose to spite the face, because thats bad buisness and MS is about $$$, the $1-2Billion PC games industry has very little if any effect on the console industry, any analyst will tell you that, Halo was the only thing MS really had as a premire title for the Xbox, they couldnt let that go. Considering MS already has a STRONG PC divison, I will just say this, most of you are wrong, they wont block PC game development. Was Age of Mythology stopped? Nope. Was AC2 stopped? Nope. I dont have any worries. Im just glad its not EA thats buying them.

MS seems to be willing to do a lot to spite Sony and Sun...
 

LH

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MS seems to be willing to do a lot to spite Sony and Sun...

Not when it comes to making money. They arent going to do it. All the VU games will be PC and Xbox, Men Of Valor: Vietnam, proves that point because it was announced as a PC and Xbox title, shipping at the same time. And since the expected buyout is to be final on Friday, and that announcement by VU games was today, dont expect things regarding Men of Valor to change.

Now if it is true. I do feel sorry for Black Label Games because they will likely have Middle Earth Online yanked from them, as last month it was said Turbine Entertainment was working on MEO.

Just to clarify, I confused Battlefield 1942 and Medal Of Honor.
 

ragiepew

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Man most of you guys are in a feeding frenzy over MS here... when infact none of you have mentioned that it is reported that VU approached MS, Sony, and EA about purchasing their games devision... MS did not go out there and forcefully try to buy VU. Its been known for some time that VU has been in major trouble and was looking to dump their games division. So I think that all this MS bashing is unwaranted... why doesnt everyone bash Sony or EA when they infuse tons of money to either buy games and/or keep games exclusive (Square-Enix & Sony for example).

Also, from what I hear... I have no verification, Bungie was in major money trouble when MS bought them out... And well Rare... NIN was looking to get rid of them too. Most of you seem to blame MS and think that MS is going out buying every living company and trying to screw the market when in fact the companies approach them. If you were MS would you not want Blizzard?
 

yoda291

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I don't think it matters whether or not MS buys them out. I think the trend for gaming is turning to console anyways. Or maybe i'm just bitter because I have to get used to controllers if I ever want to play sc ghost. Grr.