Microsoft to add 'black box' to Windows

[SSP]

*additional knee-jerk reactions*

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

With the information it does get, Microsoft could, in theory, identify a problem the first time it appears and push down a patch so that no other person encounters the error.

LOL, don't hold your breath :laugh:

 

[Eli]

Microsoft isn't going to be phoning home from my computer, that's for sure.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

With the information it does get, Microsoft could, in theory, identify a problem the first time it appears and push down a patch so that no other person encounters the error.

LOL, don't hold your breath :laugh:

What are you talking about? MS releases lots of patches that aren't supplied to the general public.

 

[loup garou]

Oh, and GT, can you fix your knee-jerk reaction in this thread as well? Thanks.

 

[Bootprint]

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

With the information it does get, Microsoft could, in theory, identify a problem the first time it appears and push down a patch so that no other person encounters the error.

LOL, don't hold your breath :laugh:

What are you talking about? MS releases lots of patches that aren't supplied to the general public.

I never understood that, they have a corrected problem but only sell the patch to certain people.
There was some ATI problem that could be corrected by an updated .dll, but only if you purchased support from MS. So the dll ended up being pirate material.

 

[NogginBoink]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

With the information it does get, Microsoft could, in theory, identify a problem the first time it appears and push down a patch so that no other person encounters the error.

LOL, don't hold your breath :laugh:

Actually, online reporting of Dr. Watson and blue screen crash dumps have helped Microsoft solve HUGE numbers of problems. People actually do go through those reports. Dumps are sorted into "bucktes" by an automated process, and developers pore over the buckets with the most hits to start solving problems.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: NogginBoink
Actually, online reporting of Dr. Watson and blue screen crash dumps have helped Microsoft solve HUGE numbers of problems. People actually do go through those reports. Dumps are sorted into "bucktes" by an automated process, and developers pore over the buckets with the most hits to start solving problems.

I'd hate to have that job.

 

[NogginBoink]

Originally posted by: Bootprint

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

With the information it does get, Microsoft could, in theory, identify a problem the first time it appears and push down a patch so that no other person encounters the error.

LOL, don't hold your breath :laugh:

What are you talking about? MS releases lots of patches that aren't supplied to the general public.

I never understood that, they have a corrected problem but only sell the patch to certain people.
There was some ATI problem that could be corrected by an updated .dll, but only if you purchased support from MS. So the dll ended up being pirate material.

No, there are plenty of KB articles that say a hotfix is available and to contact MS support to get it if you're having the problem.

Microsoft gives hotfixes to customers free of charge.

Most of these hotfixes are rolled up into service packs.

 

[NogginBoink]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: NogginBoink
Actually, online reporting of Dr. Watson and blue screen crash dumps have helped Microsoft solve HUGE numbers of problems. People actually do go through those reports. Dumps are sorted into "bucktes" by an automated process, and developers pore over the buckets with the most hits to start solving problems.

I'd hate to have that job.

Actually, analyzing dumps can be fun. It's like a huge jigsaw puzzle and you have to sort through the assembly code to determine where and why the crash happened. I enjoy the challenge. (Not that I do that as my day job, of course.)

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: NogginBoink

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: NogginBoink
Actually, online reporting of Dr. Watson and blue screen crash dumps have helped Microsoft solve HUGE numbers of problems. People actually do go through those reports. Dumps are sorted into "bucktes" by an automated process, and developers pore over the buckets with the most hits to start solving problems.

I'd hate to have that job.

Actually, analyzing dumps can be fun. It's like a huge jigsaw puzzle and you have to sort through the assembly code to determine where and why the crash happened. I enjoy the challenge. (Not that I do that as my day job, of course.)

But can you imagine doing that every day for years and years. :bleh;!

 

[Phoenix86]

Nothing to get your panties in a wad over...
For the clicking/reading impared.

"For consumers, the choice of whether to send the data, and how much information to share, will be up to the individual. Though the details are being finalized, Windows lead product manager Greg Sullivan said users will be prompted with a message indicating the information to be sent and giving them an option to alter it, such as removing the contents of the e-mail they were writing when the machine crashed. Also, such reporting will also be anonymous.

"Our stance on this is that the user is in control," Sullivan said. "In the consumer environment, you will be presented with a dialog that clearly gives you the choice whether to share the information and then also provides exactly what the detail is so you can parse character by character what's being sent."

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: werk
Oh, and GT, can you fix your knee-jerk reaction in this thread as well? Thanks.

One more an it's a hat trick!

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: NogginBoink


Actually, analyzing dumps can be fun.

Quoting you out of context can be fun too

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: NogginBoink


Actually, analyzing dumps can be fun.

Quoting you out of context can be fun too

LOL

 

[Skiguy411]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: NogginBoink


Actually, analyzing dumps can be fun.

Quoting you out of context can be fun too

:laugh:

 

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: dug777
well privacy advocates get very excited about very trivial things, i'm certainly not too worried

Nor am I.

Hey if you payh for your software you can't get busted for piracy.

exactly

 

Funny, I thought most operating systems logged by default.

 

[NogginBoink]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: NogginBoink


Actually, analyzing dumps can be fun.

Quoting you out of context can be fun too

In that case I should probably start telling stories about mounting dumps and sifting through the evidence....

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
I'm just about to the point where I'm going to stop using Windows altogether because of crap like this, especially if you can't turn it off.

Yea, go use Linux. Its soooo much better than windows [/sarcasm]

 

[Zugzwang152]

for all the anti-windows bandwagon morons who didn't read the article :roll:

 

[labgeek]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: dug777
well privacy advocates get very excited about very trivial things, i'm certainly not too worried

Nor am I.

Hey if you payh for your software you can't get busted for piracy.

EXCUSE THE SPELLING, I ATTENDED PUBLIC SCHOOLS

Could explain your reading comprehension too... That PRIVACY not PIRACY.

 

[SagaLore]

Interesting. So instead of hiring programmers that know how to write good code - they're going to use this black box to track all the bugs after the fact.

 

[slycat]

i guarantee it will be removed by some hacker soon enuff and we can dl that 'removal' tool. also, there will be versions that will be 'blackbox' free for corporations/govts that will get leaked out.

 

[Zugzwang152]

Originally posted by: slycat
i guarantee it will be removed by some hacker soon enuff and we can dl that 'removal' tool. also, there will be versions that will be 'blackbox' free for corporations/govts that will get leaked out.

i'm not aware of any versionf of windows that come without dr. watson. what makes you think this is any different?