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News "Microsoft plans 100% native Windows 11 apps in major shift away from web wrappers"

The company says the update will reduce File Explorer launch times, make context menus load faster
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I'm glad to see this, I'd wondered how exactly they manage to fuck this up so badly, so many times I'm doing what should be basic UI interactions and used to be a solved problem, like, forever ago, but along came Win11 and now I'm often wondering why the hell my PC with all these cores and all these gigahertz and all this RAM could possibly take so long to do such basic operations.
 
mikeymikec said:
@nakedfrog Except they said the same thing last year.

www.techpowerup.com

Microsoft Will Preload Windows 11 File Explorer to Fix Bad Performance

Microsoft has acknowledged that File Explorer on Windows 11 has performance issues, which is concerning for such a crucial application within an operating system. To address this, Microsoft is considering preloading File Explorer in the background to enable quicker access when users open the...
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com
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But now they seem to be remembering that "optimization" is a thing, so...

Shut up, okay? Just shut up! 😡
 
For home use, what apps aren’t available on Linux? Is gaming on Linux still an issue?

I’m just trying to think about what I use on my windows machine (makemkv and kodi is about it), and what I’d lose. I’m still on windows 10 and will definitely not be going to 11.
 
ivwshane said:
For home use, what apps aren’t available on Linux? Is gaming on Linux still an issue?

I’m just trying to think about what I use on my windows machine (makemkv and kodi is about it), and what I’d lose. I’m still on windows 10 and will definitely not be going to 11.
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I guess I don't know if this counts as "home use", but the software from my MIDI controller company (which handles all the license validation and then actually playing the sounds) is still Windows/Mac specific. Some people use WINE and similar bodges but it's not always a perfect solution for that.
 
ivwshane said:
For home use, what apps aren’t available on Linux? Is gaming on Linux still an issue?

I’m just trying to think about what I use on my windows machine (makemkv and kodi is about it), and what I’d lose. I’m still on windows 10 and will definitely not be going to 11.
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MakeMKV is available on Linux.

There's a lot of apps that don't run natively in Linux 🙂 It's better to say what you need on Linux and for people to suggest what to do about it.

On my Linux setup, I currently have one Windows app served up with WINE (which I won't need after I've finished my server upgrade), some more with a Win7/10 VM (e.g. a copy of Microsoft Access, an old copy of Office 2007 / 2021 just in case it might be handy), but all my bread-and-butter apps are native on Linux (Firefox, Thunderbird and LibreOffice being the main ones). I also dual-boot with Win11, which I only really use for gaming these days.
 
nakedfrog said:
I'm glad to see this, I'd wondered how exactly they manage to fuck this up so badly, so many times I'm doing what should be basic UI interactions and used to be a solved problem, like, forever ago, but along came Win11 and now I'm often wondering why the hell my PC with all these cores and all these gigahertz and all this RAM could possibly take so long to do such basic operations.
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Hell, I lost a lot of faith in MS when they couldn't begin to do smart phones.
 
MrSquished said:
It's funny because their mobile OS was kinda cool with the live tiles and had good potential. But they fucked it up of course.
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MS has a terrible habit of releasing half-baked software... MS is lucky that corporate America doesn't really have an alternative workhorse OS with all the legacy compatibility baked in. In any other industry, they'd lose their shirts to competition already.
 
MrSquished said:
It's funny because their mobile OS was kinda cool with the live tiles and had good potential. But they fucked it up of course.
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Saylick said:
MS has a terrible habit of releasing half-baked software... MS is lucky that corporate America doesn't really have an alternative workhorse OS with all the legacy compatibility baked in. In any other industry, they'd lose their shirts to competition already.
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I had a Lumia 928 back around 2014, and it did alright for the most part. The key issue was app developer buy-in. They just didn’t have it. And they didn’t seem to incentivize/prioritize it, leading to its downfall. One key native app I remember WinPhone not having which was YouTube. That was brutal. But at the time, for me tolerable.
 
jdubs03 said:
I had a Lumia 928 back around 2014, and it did alright for the most part. The key issue was app developer buy-in. They just didn’t have it. And they didn’t seem to incentivize/prioritize it, leading to its downfall. One key native app I remember WinPhone not having which was YouTube. That was brutal. But at the time, for me tolerable.
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I had the 928 as well, and an HTC something or other Windows Phone 7 phone before that. I really liked 7, it was built on .NET and Silverlight if I remember correctly, was smooth and felt lightweight, though not always fast. It also had a converged social media feed concept where you could get your different social media stuff and messages in a single river of content. I imagine the social media companies didn't particularly like that because they needed their users to be on their apps and sites to monetize them appropriately and that disappeared in 8.

Microsoft also did the, "It's not Windows, everything has to be Windows!" thing and 8 was completely rebuilt to use Windows underpinnings. 7 felt like a skunkworks project that they absolutely crushed Microsoft-style with 8. But I agree that ultimately it was the apps, they were too far behind iPhone and Android to catch up.
 
jdubs03 said:
I had a Lumia 928 back around 2014, and it did alright for the most part. The key issue was app developer buy-in. They just didn’t have it. And they didn’t seem to incentivize/prioritize it, leading to its downfall. One key native app I remember WinPhone not having which was YouTube. That was brutal. But at the time, for me tolerable.
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I had a Lumia 1020 myself...honestly some of the best pics possible with a phone at that time and for a few years afterwards. The xenon flash made nighttime indoor people shots so much better.
 
ivwshane said:
For home use, what apps aren’t available on Linux? Is gaming on Linux still an issue?

I’m just trying to think about what I use on my windows machine (makemkv and kodi is about it), and what I’d lose. I’m still on windows 10 and will definitely not be going to 11.
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This is why I still run windows.
I use Quicken to manage my banking and investments. Long-time user, the first version I used only ran in DOS. They only offer Windows and iOS versions. I have tried alternative financial management software, and it doesn't meet my needs or wants.
I use document management software, specifically PaperPort; it does what I want and need.
I use tax prep software, H&R Block, as TurboTax burned their bridge years ago. No Linux version. I know it can be done online, but I also need a state version for state returns.

I updated my hardware when Trump started his tariff bullshit, so W11. File Explorer does suck, but there are tweaks to get better performance, such as telling it to ignore file types when opening a folder. Other utilities do a much better job for anything but very basic stuff.
 
MtnMan said:
This is why I still run windows.
I use Quicken to manage my banking and investments.
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I would have thought that would be ripe for easily running in a VM. It might work with WINE, but I think with something as important and time-sensitive as tax returns, I'd personally prefer the less-stress approach of a VM.

I'm not trying to convince you / expecting to change your setup now, I'm just saying that part of it sounds trivially doable.
 
mikeymikec said:
I would have thought that would be ripe for easily running in a VM. It might work with WINE, but I think with something as important and time-sensitive as tax returns, I'd personally prefer the less-stress approach of a VM.

I'm not trying to convince you / expecting to change your setup now, I'm just saying that part of it sounds trivially doable.
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In a different forum several posters tried the WINE route, but there were too many issues.

Literally 99%+ of what I do is not using Windows, but stuff running on Windows. Everyone seems so hung up on start menus and the interface. I simply don't use them. If I want to launch Quicken: windows key > Q > enter, and it launches. It doesn't get any easier than windows key > first letter, sometimes 2 of app > enter.
 
MtnMan said:
In a different forum several posters tried the WINE route, but there were too many issues.

Literally 99%+ of what I do is not using Windows, but stuff running on Windows. Everyone seems so hung up on start menus and the interface. I simply don't use them. If I want to launch Quicken: windows key > Q > enter, and it launches. It doesn't get any easier than windows key > first letter, sometimes 2 of app > enter.
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WINE: Yeah, I expected that from personal experience 🙂

I discovered that tactic with NT4, I used to have a 'Quickapps' menu in the 'Start Menu' folder, so I could do winkey > Q > F to start Firefox, and I used to log in immediately after bootup, do winkey > q > f, winkey > q > whatever and winkey > q > whatever, three program launch requests queued up for whenever the system got around to starting them, then they would all pop up 🙂 I think MS broke that behaviour in Win2k or XP. It made me sad.

I agree with you to some extent: I think if all that had happened to Windows since 7 was just Start menu changes or a new look to File Explorer etc then I'd still be on Windows. It's the shift to "you are the product and/or someone to be sold to" that made me migrate. Stuff like Win11 telling me every single day that my Windows Security Centre config is wrong because I don't have auto cloud submission enabled. I'm sure there are workarounds, but I'm just freaking tired of Microsoft continually prodding me saying, "you're doing it wrong", plus the other stuff. I have no problem installing a third party start menu like Open Shell as I have done on my laptop, for example. If Windows kept itself to itself like it used to, that would be fine with me.
 
nakedfrog said:
But now they seem to be remembering that "optimization" is a thing, so...

Shut up, okay? Just shut up! 😡
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Should have learn on old tech how to optimize code. They have seemed unconcerned about writing tight code for a long time. Bu, but It causes real problems for maintenance...blah, blah blah.
 
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