MICROSOFT IS GOING OPEN SOURCE!

beer

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Ok...ok....not really, but close.....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=2&cid=578&u=/nm/20020805/ts_nm/microsoft_code_dc_16

Microsoft to Reveal Windows Code
Mon Aug 5,12:09 PM ET
By Peter Kaplan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. will reveal hundreds of pieces of proprietary computer code from its monopoly Windows operating system in the next several weeks to comply with an antitrust settlement it signed with the U.S. Justice Department ( news - web sites) last year, the company said on Monday.

The software giant said the disclosures are part of its first steps to comply with the settlement that must still be approved by a federal judge and is still opposed by nine state attorneys general seeking stiffer sanctions.

Microsoft said it plans to disclose 385 bits of computer code and internal operating rules, previously kept secret, that outside software developers can use to write programs to run on Windows.

"With these new (disclosures), software developers will have additional development choices in designing their Windows programs," the company said in a statement.

In its original case against Microsoft, the Justice Department and 18 states had accused the company of deliberately withholding computer code in Windows to hamper competitors.

Microsoft reached a deal with the Justice Department in November. Nine of the 18 states in the lawsuit agreed to sign on to the deal, but nine others are asking U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly for tougher restrictions.

Microsoft said in addition to 272 pieces of code it also would reveal 113 proprietary software "protocols" that computer server makers can license to make their machines work better with Windows desktops.

UNIFORM TERMS, CUSTOMIZED WINDOWS

In a conference call with reporters, the company said new, uniform terms for the licensing of Windows went into effect Aug 1. The terms would apply to the top 20 computer makers and be offered to other manufacturers as well.

Microsoft also said upcoming updates of the new Windows XP ( news - web sites) operating system will allow computer makers and consumers to add and remove access to some Windows features such as Microsoft's Internet Explorer, Windows media player, and Outlook Express.

Microsoft said the steps are based on several principles, including "erring on the side of reasonableness" and "listening to feedback and acting on it."

The provisions were central to Microsoft's settlement with the Justice Department, which the department says is designed to let computer makers customize the machines they sell with more non-Microsoft software.

The Justice Department said it was reviewing the licensing terms for revealing the protocols "to determine whether they are compliant with the terms of the proposed consent decree."

The dissenting states say their remedies would close loopholes in the Justice Department settlement and force Microsoft to sell a cheaper, stripped-down version of Windows, which could be customized by rival software makers.

In their final arguments before Kollar-Kotelly, the states said their most important demand was for Microsoft to disclose far more about the inner workings of Windows to allow rival software to work with the operating system.

The nine states still pursuing the case are California, Connecticut, Florida, Iowa, Kansas, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Utah, West Virginia, plus the District of Columbia.

Microsoft has criticized the non-settling states' proposal as radical and harmful to consumers.

Microsoft said on Monday there was one Windows "programming interface" and one server protocol it would still keep secret for security reasons.

In a landmark ruling on the case in June 2001, a federal appeals court dismissed parts of the government's case, but upheld a lower court's conclusion that Microsoft had used illegal tactics to maintain its Windows monopoly.

Microsoft has told the judge it would be catastrophic if other companies got too much access to the inner workings of the operating system.

It said that would allow them to "clone" Windows, prompting Microsoft to stop investing in research and development on the operating system.

 

FeathersMcGraw

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The downside is that to properly use it, you'll need to read several million lines of Visual Basic.
 

beer

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SAMBA may be able to write to NTFS paritions, rather than just read them, for example.
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw
The downside is that to properly use it, you'll need to read several million lines of Visual Basic.

windows is written in C.
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw
The downside is that to properly use it, you'll need to read several million lines of Visual Basic.

windows is written in C.

I don't know about that, sometimes.... ;)

amish

i dont think ive ever seen anyone use MFC internally either.
 

Electric Amish

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Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw
The downside is that to properly use it, you'll need to read several million lines of Visual Basic.

windows is written in C.

I don't know about that, sometimes.... ;)

amish

i dont think ive ever seen anyone use MFC internally either.

Really??

DAMN! WhyTF are they teaching it in college then? grrr...:|


Are they using Win32 C++??

amish
 

HendrixFan

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Of course, Im suspicious of this. Microsoft did NOT budge during the settlement talks in the district court trial. It was so bad that the judge called off the settlement talks. You have to wonder if this is a stall tactic and just a release of "unimportant" code. It certainly hasnt been in their history to be progressive in suggesting punishment for themselves, and this, even if optimistically done, would be lighter than the punishment the courts would hand down. Given that they are twice convicted now, they really dont have much bargaining room other than the new DOJ 'light'.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw
The downside is that to properly use it, you'll need to read several million lines of Visual Basic.
Not to worry,because:
Microsoft said it plans to disclose 385 bits of computer code and internal operating rules
385 bits is about 1 line of code :D
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw
The downside is that to properly use it, you'll need to read several million lines of Visual Basic.

windows is written in C.

I don't know about that, sometimes.... ;)

amish

i dont think ive ever seen anyone use MFC internally either.

Really??

DAMN! WhyTF are they teaching it in college then? grrr...:|


Are they using Win32 C++??

amish

i didn't learn it in college. just because they dont use doesnt mean th epublic shouldnt either.
 

ElFenix

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wasn't win 2k 5 million lines of code? i wonder how much of that is getting disclosed? (some of it, of course, already was, for development purposes)
 

Draknor

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Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Of course, Im suspicious of this. Microsoft did NOT budge during the settlement talks in the district court trial. It was so bad that the judge called off the settlement talks. You have to wonder if this is a stall tactic and just a release of "unimportant" code.


What are you talking about??? It says RIGHT HERE, (and I quote):

Microsoft said it plans to disclose 385 bits of computer code and internal operating rules...

385 bits!! Why, that's over 48 bytes! And I'm sure those are 48 important bytes!

:D:D:D

Edit: D'oh - SuperTool beat me to the punchline :)
 

Electric Amish

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Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Are they using Win32 C++??

amish

Do you realize the stupidity of asking if the windows operating system uses Win32 C++?

I was asking if that's what they used to code at MS in general, as opposed to MFC or C. Not what they coded the OS in.

amish
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Elemental007
SAMBA may be able to write to NTFS paritions, rather than just read them, for example.

Can't it do that now? I use Samba on my Mandrake box to connect to my Windows XP box (NTFS) and read and write files all the time. Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying.
 

beer

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hmmm
maybe I need to look at my samba.conf, thought it couldnt write to XP paritions, only 2K and NT4....gotta look into that
 

gentobu

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Elemental007
SAMBA may be able to write to NTFS paritions, rather than just read them, for example.

Can't it do that now? I use Samba on my Mandrake box to connect to my Windows XP box (NTFS) and read and write files all the time. Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying.

I think windows xp is reading and writing files to the ntfs partition. When you connect to another machine on a network you are telling the operating system on that machine what to do (read, write, etc).
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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Is this the thingie where they release a selected part of the code only to their closest partners, with a special footnote that it may not be used in any Open Source product, and which thus allows them to fullfill what the judge demanded without actually doing anything?